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Liliana, Death Wielder
Planeswalker — Liliana
+2: Put a -1/-1 counter on up to one target creature.
-3: Destroy target creature with a -1/-1 counter on it.
-10: Return all creature cards from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Liliana, Death Wielder Discussion
3 weeks ago
Adds to Consider that aren't too pricey - Karn's Bastion - Contagion Clasp - Carnifex Demon - Grim Affliction - Skinrender - Incremental Blight - Banewhip Punisher - Splendid Agony - Ammit Eternal - Soulstinger - Lockjaw Snapper - Core Prowler - Murder - The Eldest Reborn - Spread the Sickness - Read the Bones - Whispersilk Cloak - Cauldron of Souls - Arguel's Blood Fast Flip
moderately spendy but relevant Liliana, Death Wielder
I'm not sure what the mana dorks are for exactly so maybe consider replacing them?
1 month ago
Vraska the Unseen doet te weinig als ze het board raakt. Het enige wat ze kan doen is een creature slopen. In multiplayer is dat misschien niet genoeg.
Liliana, Death Wielder is begrijpelijk met proliferate. Alleen heb je niet genoeg om het leuk te maken. En als je geluk hebt met genoeg proliferate dan heb je waarschijnlijk liever een andere planeswalker
Kiora, the Crashing Wave +1 is niet genoeg om je planeswalker te beschermen. De -1 is 'leuk'. Maar is 4 mana voor de draw het waard?
Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage is begrijpelijk maar het geeft je tegenstander de keus. Daardoor wordt het ene stuk minder. De passive is niet genoeg om de kaart te beschermen of je tegenstander tegen te houden.
En ik zou de instanst eruit halen en dan als er ruimte is dan boardwipes erin te doen.
2 months ago
Cut Tortured Existence , Faith of the Devoted , Relic Putrescence , Caress of Phyrexia , Liliana, Death Wielder , Contagion Clasp , Delirium Skeins , Livewire Lash , Liliana's Influence , Gilded Lotus
3 months ago
Dedicated zombie tribal could be cool, and it seems you're already headed in that direction, so I'd check for any specific zombie lords you're missing ( Lord of the Undead for example) if you want to pursue that direction for your deck.
As for specific adds and subtracts;
Subtracts; Killing Wave (people will just pay the life for what they want to keep, I'd replace this with Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate or an actual board wipe). Bontu's Last Reckoning almost makes you skip your entire next turn just so you can cast Damnation for one less mana. I'd recommend Mutilate over it if anything. Cruel Edict is bad, Liliana's Triumph and various other cards are much better for this effect, probably including Innocent Blood . Liliana's Elite is probably mediocre most of the time, Liliana's Reaver is just bad. Graveyard Marshal isn't actually great for zombies, there are lots of better ways to make zombie tokens if you want. I wouldn't recommend him. Desecration Demon will probably never be useful in EDH so I wouldn't recommend him, if your opponents really can't just handle taking the 6 damage to the face in the air then they'll definitely just have a creature to sacrifice to stop it. Its not a good card in EDH at all unfortunately. I think Greed or Erebos, God of the Dead > Arguel's Blood Fast Flip. Also, I wouldn't recommend some of your planeswalkers; i love liliana but some of those cards are downright useless in EDH (if you manage to do a single thing with Liliana, Death Wielder I'd be shocked).
Add; Dictate of Erebos ( Grave Pact with flash). Dark Prophecy , Midnight Reaper and various other similar effects to help you draw more (which I think your deck will want to do, and black has a million options for drawing cards, especially when things die). Definitely Corpse Augur and Graveborn Muse too. Toxic Deluge is also a better board wipe than most of your removal. I'd probably recommend Stitcher's Apprentice as well, to help you get some cards in your graveyard. I'll think of more if you want, there's such a wide variety of cards to use in black zombies.
Also, your deck has multiple tutors, but not really any obvious win conditions to look for. Can you tell me what you think you'll be tutoring for most of the time? I'd say Gray Merchant of Asphodel as its probably your strongest card, but you also don't have much reanimation to back it up a lot of the time.
7 months ago
I suggest you add some graveyard hate in case your opponents have a way to recur back their cards (Living Death, Scrap Mastery, Sun Titan, etc.), like Crook of Condemnation, Relic of Progenitus, Nihil Spellbomb or Leyline of the Void (if you have the $$$). You already have Bojuka Bog, so nice choice :). I love the Whip of Erebos and Phyrexian Reclamation to get back my own creatures and some instants or sorceries put them back directly (one-time only though): Cauldron Dance, Torrent of Souls, Rise from the Grave. Beacon of Unrest is very nice and versatile. If you have the budget, Sheoldred, Whispering One is very effective and Goryo's Vengeance can be useful. Shallow Grave, Animate Dead and Necromancy are other options too. For mass-reanimation, use Rise of the Dark Realms, Liliana Vess or Liliana, Death Wielder. If you like the discard theme, pretty much all specters have an ability related to that, but of course they aren't of the tribes you want with your commander. Also, if you play black, I think tutors are a must, because they are the best in the game since only Beseech the Queen reveals the tutored card in black (well, I think so). So Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Mastermind's Acquisition, Dark Petition, Diabolic Revelation, Increasing Ambition and the good old budget Diabolic Tutor are among options.
7 months ago
Dauthi Embrace is pseudo unblockable for Hapatra, or for political gains. Quest for Renewal and Spidersilk Armor shores up your defense. Liliana, Death Wielder and Liliana's Influence are great with your commander.
8 months ago
I like what's going on. I think some of the instants/sorceries can be replaced or cut in lieu of a creature that does the same thing would be good. Unless you're burning an e witness or something to bring them back those cards are worthless in your graveyard, but as creatures they're easier for you to bring back and abuse multiple times. I'll add cards here that I would consider cutting just to bring numbers down.
- Liliana, Death Wielder, Liliana of the Dark Realms, Garruk Relentless, Disentomb, Corpse Churn, Pattern of Rebirth, Core Prowler, Kessig Cagebreakers, Puppeteer Clique, Riftsweeper, Spore Frog, Viridian Emissary, Wall of Blossoms, Winding Constrictor.
The rest is kind of flexible I feel with how much you want to do. How many 'ramp' creatures do you want vs how many 'sac outlet' creatures do you want vs how many 'killin shit' creatures do you want, etc. There's a lot of the same-ish effects from a lot of the creatures on the list, those can be narrowed down simply based on how you want things to run. There's a few creatures in there that provide hella value but don't necessarily fit with the theme in my opinion but I don't want to list cards as cuts since I'm not sure what you're thinking. And not to contradict myself right away but I did cut the proliferate stuff because while I get what you're trying to do with the extra counters on your general, I just don't think it's very effective or as reliable as your ability to simply sac outlet your little pissant creatures to get the counters.
- I think that if you plan on running more bodies or permanents I would cut all of your ramp spells like cultivate and kodama's and shit and just have creatures fill that role. If you can get essentially the same effect, creatures will ALWAYS be a better option than an instant/sorcery in this deck.
10 months ago
Looking for cards that can help me bring out Dragons for free. So any card that does this sort of thing, really.
I know a small list already, but I was wondering what else there is so I can try to narrow and hone in on the best cards.
Here's what I already know of that do this sort of thing, in one way or another. In no particular order, because I'm lazy.
I'm trying to stay away from graveyard tricks, so please keep those suggestions to a minimum. Thank you.
Cards I know of Show
Kaalia of the Vast: A good Commander, but I want to go 5C so I'll just have her as a 4 CMC creature and if she stays on the field, great. If not, well she's a nice distraction.
Maelstrom Archangel: Honestly, she's going to be my Commander.
Fist of Suns: While this isn't "free", per se, it does allow faster play for larger spells.
Genesis Wave: Obviously.
Kamahl's Druidic Vow: Gets me Planeswalkers and Legendary Dragons. It's a shame Doubling Season isn't Legendary, otherwise that'd be a neat little combo piece. Still works with the aforementioned Genesis Wave, though.
The Ur-Dragon: Obviously.
Intet, the Dreamer: Would need topdeck fixing but it is possible.
Teneb, the Harvester: Technically it does work.
Descendants' Path: Again, requires topdecking.
Call to the Kindred: Potent and powerful.
Cryptic Gateway: Yup.
See the Unwritten: Yeah.
Stitch Together: Graveyard works.
Sarkhan Unbroken: His ultimate does this.
Sarkhan, Dragonsoul: As does his.
Tamiyo, Field Researcher: As does hers.
Xenagos, the Reveler: As does his... Man there's a lot of Planeswalkers that do this, isn't there?
Garruk, Caller of Beasts: I guess he does if the Dragon has in it?
Liliana Vess: She does, but I'd have to manage graveyard tricks in addition to the rest of the deck. I'm trying to stay away from making it too complex.
Liliana, Death Wielder: Which means cards like her and others are probably a no-go as well.
Samut, the Tested: I mean, technically?
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon: Oh yeah, definitely.
As I said, I'm trying to stay away from Graveyard tricks but if it is cheap enough and easy to pull off, I guess it works. I'm looking to constantly grow my boardstate every turn, not try and rebuild it from scratch.
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