Put a -1/-1 counter on each creature you don't control. You may search your library and/or grave yard for a card named Liliana, Death Wielder, reveal it, and put it into your hand. If you search your library this way, shuffle it.
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Liliana's Influence Discussion
6 days ago
1 month ago
About the 1/1 that comes from Nest of Scarabs, they can hold the game far enought to your finishers take the game - or they can be finishers itself (not rarely the table become full of them. And by "full" I mean like 10, 12; A single Channeler Initiate with 2 nests in game generates 6 tokens. Westvale Abbey Flip can be easily added in a 2-color deck as yours, using the little 1/1 bastards to transform it.
The cartouche and Trials combo has beem proved not worthy - except in limited formats. The possibility is nice, but in a meta full of fast spot removals, its a risk that we cant afford. But, its just my opinion.
I understood the artifacts point. But I think they are underwhelming cards if compared with others cards with same CMC in your deck. And can be a terrible topdeck. Example: in average, what do you prefer to draw in 4th turn; a Kalitas or a Oracle's Vault? A Kalitas is a good draw when you are ahead or behind in game. Oracle's Vault is better in a very, very specific situation. So, this kind of card only should be used (in a competitive enviroment) in a very, very specific shell. And I dont believe this one is. Sorry if I sound rude or arrogant.
Making a wrap-up, as you asked for, look for these kind of cards (underwhelming). I think;
Oracle's Vault (too situational), Bontu's Monument (life loss at too slow rate), Liliana's Influence (too expensive) can be replaced for better cards, as Liliana, the Last Hope or Ob Nixilis Reignited.
Increase the number of lands.
1 month ago
While Blowfly Infestation is a good, somewhat more costly card for this deck, it's honestly not worth it imo. Looking at the deck as is, I'd find space for 4 Channeler Initiate and work the Grind / Dusts in instead of the Splendid Agonys, so you can pop white occasionally to board wipe if you've hit all their creatures with -1/-1 counters, and since Liliana's Influence can tag all their creatures and grind/dust says any number, only your creatures and their untargetables are safe, so it's safe for you and great in multiplayer too.
I feel like Exemplar of Strength doesn't fit well, synergistically, in this deck. It's a great card but what else does it mesh with besides 1 snake gain and a few life at best. I just don't think there's room, whereas a little extra ramp, plus any color mana (white) lets you sub in a boardwipe for no real loss other than 2 instant speed -1/-1s which you still have as sorcery speed, plus the deck feeds better off black critters than green ones, so being mono green means it better bring a ton of punch to the table. Not really sure Exemplar does, or at least I don't see it.
Honestly, if you're looking to spend extra, I'd say just aim for the pricey yet better dual lands. It's really all this theme needs. Therefore... Upvote!
1 month ago
1 month ago
Liliana, Death Wielder and Liliana's Influence might go well in this deck. Liliana, Death Wielder is expensive, but it can give a consistent way to destroy creatures with counters on it. I would not use it for her ult, just bounce around her + and -. Liliana's Influence is situational, but it is another outlet to put a -1 -1 count on everything along with a tutor.
1 month ago
@nerf_herder_2983 you are right. I think ill remove Crocodile of the Crossing, Soul-Scar Mage and The Scorpion God and go for a discard engine using Ruthless Sniper (4x), Archfiend of Ifnir (3x), Noose Constrictor (4x) and Key to the City (4x). I might even add some Deserts or at least some dual lands for and/or to use the aftermath effects. And going for 2x Ammit Eternal and 4x Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons might help with setting up my combo. I will swap the red sorceries for some black/green removal or control cards(suggestions?) I think i will add Liliana deathwielder and Liliana's Influence for some more control over the enemy board and my own graveyard. These changes will probably make my mana Management easier and enable some early turn plays.
2 months ago
I built your deck, but changed a few things.
I kept the two Liliana's Influence cards in the starter. I played several games today (my TCGPlayer order with all the cards I needed arrived today), and after several games, I decided to swap out 1 Crocodile of the Crossing, 1 Channeler Initiate, and 1 Baleful Ammit, and add 1 Forest, 1 Swamp, and 1 Obelisk Spider, which I got in a HOD prerelease set.
The way that you initially built it seems to suffer from a serious mana deficit that the Channeler Initiates cannot be counted on to compensate for.
Thank you for building this and giving me a template on which to improve the grossly underpowered Liliana starter deck.
2 months ago
Dream3r I have looked at all cards in black red standard that put -1/-1 counters on creatures in any way and this deck was my top picks. Yes, Liliana costs a lot, but that's why there is only one. If I'm in a standard game where I get enough mana to bring her out, either she or Liliana's Influence would be in my hand at some point.
I agree Ammit Eternal is a great creature, but just kind of that. I don't have any cards that would be able to move counters from him, or anything like that. (Now that I'm thinking about it, though, he would work great with Key to the City) My point is, I'll keep him in mind, but he really is just a good creature that doesn't really go with anything. I do notice my lack of combat presence, though, which is why I'll keep him in mind.
Finally, the short one. Soul-Scar Mage is literally a 1/2 prowess in this version as all damage I deal is either combat or to player. I'll keep him in mind in case I want to do half burn, half counters, though. (Maybe there are burn spells with cycle? That wouldn't be bad at all.)
If I see better synergy with a green card, I may add it as a splash.
Anyway, thank you for the suggestions, and I'll see what I can do with this knowledge to make this deck better. (Sorry that this got a little long winded)