You may remove two white cards in your hand from the game rather than pay Sunscour's mana cost.
Destroy all creatures.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
1 month ago
Blazing Shoal, Cave-In, Crash, Downhill Charge, Fireblast, Fury of the Horde Mogg Salvage, Pact of the Titan, Abolish, Intervention Pact, Patrician's Scorn, Reverent Mantra Shining Shoal, Sivvi's Ruse, Sivvi's Valor, Sunscour Commandeer Daze, Disrupting Shoal Gush Mindbreak Trap, Misdirection, Pact of Negation, Snapback, Submerge, Tidal Bore, Veil of Secrecy
6 months ago
To make the game last against aggro strategies you could use Ratchet Bomb as your holy hand grenade (it can get rid of tokens the same turn you cast it, or creatures with converted mana cost 1, 2, 3, relatively fast), or else, you can use Sunscour , although I would put it in the sidedeck because you may play against decks wihtout cratures -thats why i prefer Ratchet Bomb -.
You can also use Runed Halo on yourself. It can prevent black cards with "sacrifice" mechanics, or prevent the damage of a creature full of auras, and help with repetitive red cards focused on life damage.
I recommend Angel of the Dire Hour , and make sure you have 4x Resplendent Angel , after all, they can decide the game all alone. You can also have more Shalai, Voice of Plenty if you think it is necessary, although Voice of All with deathtouch ir more elegant.
Adding an extra color you could also think to exchange all your artifacts for board wipe strategies like Akroma's Vengeance , Merciless Eviction along with the Brave the Elements strategy (to save your creatures). And maybe Profane Procession Flip, Kaya's Guile and Vindicate .
You could also find better lands to match this deck. You are only using "plains". I know it demands some researching, but you gonna have to do it sooner or later.
After this you could focus on a sidedeck against discard, blue counter, or something else. Like Luminarch Ascension , which is already there, and more cards related with the graveyard.
6 months ago
Its worth including your sideboard- especially with control. Knowing which matchups you are best prepared against includes knowing which you have 'I win' Cards for in the sideboard- Suggesting more boardwipes means nothing if your sideboard has a full set of Sunscour , for example.
8 months ago
Thanks for the comment FullmetalWes! I appreciate your support. Until now i tested it for a while: deck went pretty good in different matchups but even if i menage to heal extremely good it's hard to stand against heavy aggro deck sometimes. i think i'll splash some blue for more deck manipulation synergy (like scry, Sage of Epityr that seems bad but is doing the job, indirect draw maybe) and i'll add more mass removal ( Sunscour ) cause terminus is not enough. I need also to menage sidedeck but i have ideas about it.
Also there are additional interesting mechanics i found, i'll update it soon!
10 months ago
I also like Icy Manipulator both for flavor and for utility. Dark Depths might be out of your price range, but it is such a cool flavor card. also on that list is Glacial Chasm . Some more enter the battlefield creatures might be really helpful things like Eternal Witness and Hornet Queen are busted good with roon. Eon Hub does things in this deck. I have no idea if it is a good card or not for the deck, but it certainly does things.
Some cool things to think about (specifically cool for you, and very uncool for your opponents). If you can make your opponents lands snow covered all of a sudden Balduvian Conjurer and Balduvian Frostwaker make them removable with creature removal like Swords to Plowshares and Path to Exile can now remove lands. Which I guess for those specific removal cards seems pretty bad, but uh Sunscour after making all of your opponent's lands into 2/2's with the frostwaker seems pretty hilarious to me.
Altogether your list is super fun and flavorful, could it have more focus on making a specific win condition go? like Worldly Tutor to get out the Rimefeather Owl consistently? Sure, but this schema is going to be tough to break, which is why it is fun. I think you could do more board clears and more making your opponent's lands into creatures, but I think that will make your play group dislike you pretty quickly. Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper might be fun if you want to go all in on making your lands into creatures and winning that way. And with that dude, you could go with Devastation Tide and Rude Awakening . There are a bunch of things your list could be sharpened into. Hope this helps.
1 year ago
Nice brew, neat idea to counter those clunky and annoying Vannifars!
As smne who played Mono-W Stax for a while, with the amazing Hokori, Dust Drinker at the helm, I'll share with you what thoughts inspire me your sweet Linvala decklist.
(Even if it has already been pointed out before, I wanna say that I also love the Urborg combo. It's unexpectable and freakin' gud!)
Let's start by the beginning: mana fixation. Extraplanar Lens is insane in every monocolored archetype, so it's a quite logic inclusion you made here. Nonetheless, I suggest you to go for Snow-covered lands to synergize better with it - that way you won't give a lift to your opponents playing white.
Pearl Medallion and Sol Ring are basics, nothing really worth to say about it. Thran Dynamo and Worn Powerstone are more debatable. I don't know what is your budget issue, but if you want a competitve list, Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Grim Monolith , Mind Stone , Everflowing Chalice etc. are all better options. Dynamo and Powerstone aren't bad cards, but they just come after those ones if you really do need a solid ''ramp'' package.
Opal Palace feels badly slow and ineffective in a monocolored stax deck. You won't win the game by taking up the board with your creatures armed of a little +1/+1 counter.
You have notable exclusions in your lands for a mono-white. Eiganjo Castle is the first card that comes through mind. Buried Ruin also is a recursive tool you should consider, even over Inventors' Fair . If you manage to find one, Ancient Tomb has its place there replacing Temple of the False God .
At its final shape, my Hokori decklist was running a powerful Crucible of Worlds package including Wasteland , Strip Mine , Dust Bowl , Flagstones of Trokair , Lotus Vale and City of Traitors . I was up to 39 lands, not counting Maze of Ith .
Now let's jump straight into your gameplan!
So... you're planning to focus your eyes on ruining Vannifar's day. To help with this strategy of being the nasty ''combo killer'' guy, I think you should put in some additional pieces of disruption.
That said, I don't know which Vannifar's version(s) your playgroup perform with. If it's a Thornbite Staff / Intruder Alarm one, things would be easier to calm down and you won't need such a heavy stax package - you'll need more single-target/multi-target removals though. And if it's the other one, certainly the most popular now (and also the most powerful/absurd), based on many shenanigans around the creatures Vannifar brings to the table, you'll need more stax support.
One of the very best cards you could add to stop all those creature-centered combos is Humility . This card is broken, this card is stupid. It even disables etb abilities. The only way your opponent has to go through is to destroy it with a creatureless source / or with a ''casting'' effect (like Ulamog has).
Single-handly, Humility tears apart most of the competitive Vannifar lists. However, based on the fact that it is still fragile to enchantments/permanents removals, you'll have to build a defensive shield for your stuff. Vannifar lists often keep a strong package of cheap permanents' removals in their pocket (like Beast Within for example), so you'll need to play carefully.
There's a lot of different ways you can head in order to reinforce your permanents' presence on the battlefield. A pretty simple and most of the time effective, despite of its ccm, you already included is Avacyn, Angel of Hope . I think you still lack a way to cheat her casting cost out to make her a stable and destructive power house.
Stax ''enchantment'' strategy is imo one of the most viable and solid strategy. With Academy Rector (amazing alongside your High Market ), you'll be able to search the exact piece you need to lock the game in your favor.
Notable stax exclusions :
Static Orb > staple
Storage Matrix > staple
Arena of the Ancients > staple
Thalia, Heretic Cathar > staple
Lodestone Golem > Considering all the artifacts you're playing, ~ seems like a consistent pick for your draft.
Ethersworn Canonist > personal preference there. I always loved ~ in my stax deck. Synergizes well with Teshar.
Phyrexian Revoker > another personal preference. Always found ~ useful.
Pithing Needle > destroys Vannifar for 1 mana.
Orb of Dreams > more of an Hokori all stars card, but could also be good here.
Sphere of Resistance > staple, should be played carefully to slow down your opponents combos and not threw away as soon as possible like I see many people casting it
Mana Tithe > unexpected white counterspell - another Hokori all stars... I don't know if it would be any good there
Other cards to consider :
Platinum Angel > slow down combos, create a premium target for every combo player removals.
Greater Auramancy > protection for your enchantments
Sensei's Divining Top > not the best card draw you could find, but provides something White struggles to accomplish
Barl's Cage > strong mana sink against Vannifar and creature-heavy decks
Condemn > more removals
Abolish > more removals
Dispatch > more removals
Catastrophe > clears everything except enchantments/artifacts
Approach of the Second Sun > win con
Idyllic Tutor > searching for Humility
A bunch of meta depending stax tools :
Cards I'd cut from your list :
Martyr's Bond > Slow and unreliable on this brew. As you're not sacrificing any kind of permanent on your own, you'll struggle to get any value out of it outside of a lost political blast deflagrating when the game should already be over. Unless you add in some cards like World Queller , it defenitly doesn't deserve a slot imo.
Bishop of Rebirth > a lot of people seems to give love to this card recently. However, I personally think it is just a bad inclusion. You spend 5 mana on a understated body and you have to wait a whole turn before getting value out of it IF you are in the researched scenario. There will be times where you have Boots or Greaves on board and this will be an insane mini-Sun Titan, but the situation is too rare to justify its presence.
Sublime Archangel > No real interest here. Good creature but doesn't provide anything for the stax strategy.
Gift of Immortality / True Conviction > weird ''win con'' heavily situational cards based on creatures. There is some logic behind Gift, but it's just too much of a unreliable idea. True Conviction has nothing to do here... it's 6 mana spend to lose the control on the game. If you're searching for card advantage and a bit of healing, go for the brand new Dawn of Hope (also is a good mana sink).
Blackblade Reforged > intersting alternative win con. Feels slow nonetheless.
Emeria Shepherd > too slow for my liking.
Whispersilk Cloak > can't understand what this does in a deck full of flyiers and tapping effects.
Finally, as you want to challenge Vannifar, which is a blue deck, you'll need something to deal with the classical Cyclonic Rift . Teferi's Protection is a good solution (and it could also protects you form a lot of various situations / removals / etc.), but I'm sure you can find a lot of other response.
I hope you'll find useful ideas in this comment. Thanks a lot for sharing this, it reminds me good times. Keep up the good work, keep up brewing!
1 year ago
1 year ago
Sunscour : free cast for 2 whites
Final Judgment : for indestructibles, might not be worth adding
Pollen Lullaby : better fog effect
Card draw from lands (Wont die from your wipes):
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea : Might be over budget?
Desert of the True : Only cycling, no long term digging
Arch of Orazca : Might be too late game?