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Pact of the Titan
Put a 4/4 red Giant creature token into play.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
Pact of the Titan Discussion
5 months ago
Ajani's Mantra - Too slow. Way too little impact. We don't have triggers off life gaining a lot so we can replace this.
Rise of the Hobgoblins - We aren't really interested in the effect towards our gameplan. The first strike can be nice. But not the best thing we can be looking at.
Scourge of the Nobilis - We don't have anything that we really benefit from putting this on. Brion already has lifeling, and his sacrifice ability is based on the sacrificed creatures power so we don't want to pump him either. Then putting it on a creature we want to sacrifice is setting ourselves up to loose out on cards by 2 for 1nning ourselves. There are some other enchantments that we may play that recur themselves but we will come back to those later.
Searing Meditation - I really want to like this card but it seems rather low damage for mana investment keeping 2 up all the time. However if we end up with a lot of ways to gain lots of individual triggers. Then this could be worth it.
A couple of these are just upgrade them but keep the same idea. These ones are all effects that we want but probably not this exact version. And we might want more of them.
Others should probably just be replaced, maybe with more version of the above effect.
Pact of the Titan - The free 4/4 with flash is pretty good. But unlikely to win you the game with it. It effectively costs you 5 mana for it and because it doesn't have Haste it isn't winning you the game before you have to pay for it.
Soul's Grace - A card that only gains you life in one burst is usually not worth it. If it did something else too then maybe. But not just life gain.
Giant's Ire - Just isn't worth it really. It doesn't do enough for the mana.
Feudkiller's Verdict - While this effectively could be a 6 mana 5/5 that gains you 10 life on enter. Which isn't bad, it could still sometimes be stuck in hand unable to make the 5/5. So while this can be decent, It can be bad.
We can afford to cut 2 or 3. I usually recommend 36-7 with around 10 nonland mana sources. Because this runs a lot of big guys, we want to consistantly hit our mana so we want 37.
Armillary Sphere - This doesn't actually ramp us it helps us hit out land drops though which is a good thing. However there are a couple of other cards which do similar while being repeatable or having other effects that go with it
Paradise Plume - We want mana ramp, this is possibly just too slow though. Rocks that tap for 1 colour are usually 2 mana. Our 4 mana rocks tap for multiple mana usually.
7 months ago
This is a really cool deck! The normal 'taking turns' list that I have been thinking about building is pretty expensive (Cryptic Command, mainly) and this is a nice budget alternative, as long as I make a few edits to the manabase so that it fits with the lands that I currently have. Also, this deck is even more fun than the original! After some playtesting to see if I wanted to make some changes, I have some suggestions. When comboing off, I'll often get two copies Day's Undoing in my hand, and having two is useless, since when you play the first, it shuffles the second away. I feel like if you cut one of the Day's Undoings, you could get rid of the problem while keeping the ability to reliably have one in your hand, especially if you just start keeping it with your cantrips (Opt, Serum Visions, Sleight of Hand, etc). To replace it, I'd suggest one copy of Howling Mine. It would probably end up drawing you more cards than a Day's Undoing anyway, while not drawing your opponent very many, considering all of the extra turns you're taking. Additionally, I would strongly suggest Ideas Unbound, which would probably replace some cantrips. It digs three cards deep, and if you play it with an empty hand, you can play two or even all three cards and not even end up having to discard. And that's not mentioning the synergy it has with Sundial of the Infinite. If you end the turn before your end step comes, you won't have to discard, making it essentially 1UU draw three cards (because you have to pay 1 to end the turn), which can be very powerful. Also, I suggest Pact of Negation, and to a lesser degree, Slaughter Pact, Intervention Pact, and even Pact of the Titan. Pact of Negation is an extremely strong card. Being able to counter something for zero is very powerful, as people will often completely let their guard down when a blue deck is tapped out, and try to play their win conditions with no protection of their own. When you often times don't even have to pay the 3UU later because you have Gideon of the Trials (Pact of Negation forces you to pay the cost, but only if you have the mana in your mana pool. You have the choice to tap your lands to produce the mana) out? That's power 9 levels of broken. Countering a vital spell completely for free can often times win games by itself. You can also, in a pinch, end your turn in respose to the upkeep trigger with Pact of Negation with Sundial of the Infinite and skip your turn in a pinch. All of this applies to Slaughter Pact, Intervention Pact, and Pact of the Titan, although none of them are quite as good as Pact of Negation. You don't have the black to pay Slaughter Pact's cost, so it may be a little conditional as a removal spell, even if it is free when you can cast it. Intervention Pact can be a very good stalling spell, essentially buying you two full turns, but it's useless if you get off to a fast start, and will only get in the way then. Pact of the Titan can be a free 4/4 at instant speed, but, while that blocks really well when you're on the defense, and can attack when you're trying to close out the game while comboing off, it isn't exactly what the deck needs, and could lower consistency. Anyway, this deck is honestly really fun to play, is pretty skill testing, and costs half of what traditional taking turns decks cost. Thanks!
8 months ago
protean hulk has many lines. up to you which one you want to use.
8 months ago
What are your thoughts on Pact of the Titan?
10 months ago
1 year ago
So recently I had the idea to make a commander deck based around cards that force you to lose the game (like Glorious End) as a joke. When I actually started putting the deck together, though, the beginnings of a theoretically decent combo deck started to appear. Usually I am definitely not a combo player but this seems stupid and fun enough that I want to give it a shot.
The primary way the deck wins is by having Hive Mind out and cast a "you lose the game" card to force my opponents to lose. There are a couple other janky things I can do (such as a super convoluted Pact of the Titan + Isochron Scepter + Harmless Offering + Mindslaver combo) to win but that's primarily it.
I'm looking for more card ideas and general help with building this deck. I haven't been able to find more Hive Mind type effects out there but if I'm missing any I would very much like to have them in here.
Here's the deck:
Commander / EDH*
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1 year ago
You'll find some lists that you can draw inspiration from if you look up "hive mind modern deck" or something like that. That's the easiest way to tune your deck. Most lists I've seen run all 4 Lotus Bloom along with the 4 Pentad Prism, as you want to get to Hive Mind as soon as possible. From there you can make some sort of control shell (which seems to be what ur doing) to stall until turn 4-5 which is when you'll usually have enough mana to cast HM. Looking at your list, I'd say you need Tolaria West so you can tutor out your Pact, also you should play a Pact that you can cast without needing a target so you can guarantee that your opponent has to pay the next upkeep. Gigadrowse or Defense Grid in the sideboard are great against counters. You could also go for GUx to make use of the ramp.
I do suggest you stick to the pacts for your wincon tho, Glorious End gives your opponent too much time imo, plus you can't cast it the same turn you cast HM which makes it even slower. But if you really want to play it, you can turn your list into a Pact tribal/Hive Mind combo hybrid, which uses Gideon of the Trials and Angel's Grace to prevent you from losing the game after using pacts/Glorious End. Then you could essentially take extra turns and beat down with Pact of the Titan as your backup plan.
And for the record, you don't need to stick an infinite combo in the deck for it to work. There are plenty of decks that are pretty much on the same track that your list is on right now (ones that use Prisms and Blooms) that win games.
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