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Target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card.
Surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
Thought Erasure Discussion
1 week ago
I get that Narset enables a lot of your plays, but the only way I see for you to actually win (instead of just stalling the boardstate) is B's ultimate. You aren't dealing any damage with your combo.
I would not recommend Drown in the Loch for this deck. The mana requirements in this deck are difficult already with Thought Erasure and Dreadbore , but that's not the main reason. Thought Erasure is another disrupt spell (something this deck needs a lot of) that also lets you dig for cards you need. Drown in the Loch will hardly ever be at the point where it's useful, because you don't have a lot to get your opponent's things in the graveyard and especially because Day's Undoing resets that clock.
1 week ago
Hey Sorin_Markov_1947, I appreciate the advice, will be testing it out (check description). On Bolas, the win condition of the deck is resolving the narset wheel combo, the Bolas is more of a concession to being required to actually win the game. I could definitely see playing the wish package over Bolas. Would you suggest cutting Thought Erasure for Drown in the Loch ? Or is there another card that you don't see performing well? Again, the advice is very much appreciated!
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Thanks for your input, I'd like to point out that Thought Erasure is already in the deck. Furthermore, this is really more of a control deck that uses mill as a resource and a possible win con, though I have found that I usually end up winning through damage. Drowned Secrets and Merfolk Secretkeeper are more like dedicated mill cards that offer very little control over the board. I think Vantress Gargoyle can be interesting as a sideboard card against aggro or fliers, and Lochmere Serpent is definitely under consideration.
1 month ago
It's going to be very hard to get Frilled Mystic out early with it needing very specific mana requirements. Especially since your third color is needed for a lot of your early-game shenanigans. I'd recommend cutting it for Thought Erasure . Merfolk Secretkeeper is a great mill card since later it can give you a good blocker, and all for two mana. Drowned Secrets is a very popular mill card, although it isn't quite as good in this deck as in most. Vantress Gargoyle adds some more damage to the deck.
For your sideboard, I'd recommend cutting some planeswalkers. Narset is hardly ever going to come in, and while Oko is an amazing card, it doesn't go with the deck. Put in some cards like Lochmere Serpent (if you need more damage), and other things that are anti-meta decks.
1 month ago
MrBoombastic Thank you very much for the help
Yeah, I think I am going to pull Torbran out of here. As I've fiddled with this, there is less and less for him to do. I liked the idea of him strengthening my threats as larger creatures start to hit the board, but I need to find something easier to play and with more synergy. Though I feel like I could cast him with Lotus Field but those might come out too for more Fabled Passage s anyway. Right now, I'm leaning towards pulling Torbran and Fae of Wishes for 2 x Opportunistic Dragon and 2 x Doom Whisperer . I really miss Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip...
As far as Drown in the Loch is concerned, do you think the instants plus Thought Erasure may feed it enough to be strong? I don't believe I'll need it till around turn 4 or 5 anyway. I have a lot of cards for early threats, but not much else now to handle tougher creatures. Should I just go back to Ionize in your opinion?
1 month ago
Titus7007 I think you are falling too much in love with Drown in the Loch , for this deck at least. It's a great card, but it needs its deck to enable it, as it will be a very dead card until the opponent's graveyard begins to stack up. That usually isn't a good spot to be in, especially vs. aggro decks.
I agree with Sorin_Markov_1947 on Torbran, Thane of Red Fell , he doesn't really seem to fit the deck. On top of being awkward to cast in a 3-color deck, he just doesn't do enough here. There isn't a lot of burn or creatures to add to the board, paying 4 mana and a card to have Flame Sweep deal 2 more damage doesn't sound favorable and Sarkhan the Masterless doesn't need any help to be good.
As Sorin said, this feels like a Fires of Invention deck that doesn't have the key card in it. Jeskai is the best version of those decks at the moment, but Grixis is in no way bad either.
1 month ago
If I may.
1). Vantress Gargoyle seems like a really slow way to have a creature. Also, it doesn’t really fit with the mill plan. I suggest Thought Collapse if you want to stay blue. 2). Adding in a full play set of Mystic Sanctuary is very beneficial to your deck. Returning your counterspells is very good in the mirror. 3. By staying mono-blue, you are losing out on some of the best cards that benefit from milling. Drown in the Loch is great counterspells/removal, Murderous Rider deals with planeswalkers that you otherwise have a hard time dealing with. If your opponent goes firs and puts down Teferi, Time Raveler , you have no way to remove it, and your counterspells are as good as useless. Also, Thought Erasure is an amazing card in your deck, allowing for possible removal of an opponent’s best cards, like Questing Beast or any of the god-eternals.
Thought Erasure occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%
All decks: 0.58%