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|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Target creature control fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
1 week ago
I'd cut: Rush of Knowledge - there are much better draw spells, even when you generally have your general as a 4cmc land out. Frantic Search - I don't think this is worth playing unless you care about the discard. Elvish Piper - there are better cards like Monster Manual now. Displacement Wave - potentially alright with how high cmc your stuff is? But it is kind of inefficient and works against your mana artifacts. Generally I think you want to replace more of your ramp with land fetches like Rampant Growth over the mana rocks.
I'm not sure about the small instant-speed subtheme you have going with Rewind and Unwind and just general high-amount of instants. You've got a lot of high cmc leviathans which I think would tend to lead to you playing more sorcery speed. Might be easier to have lower cost interaction over expensive interaction that untaps.
Also agree on all of Lynn's cuts.
6 months ago
As someone who loves infect, I have to say your list has waaaaaaaaaay too many creatures and lands. Even slower versions like mine, a Monoblack one, run around 12 creatures + 4 Inkmoth Nexus. Infect is a strong mechanic. So, in order to make it balanced, WOTC made the creatures really bad, which is why it's usually a bad idea to run this many of them. And 28 lands is asking to get mana flooded
Nevertheless, I'll give my suggestions without trying to chance to core ideia of the deck. If playing this was is how you have fun and it works for you and your friends, then I just want to help you make it better without modifying its core.
Cut Viridian Betrayers, Contagious Nim and Cystbearer and max out on Rot Wolf. All of these cards aren't really strong but at least the wolf lets you draw cards when it kills something, meaning its usefulness grows exponentially with Hand of the Praetors on the field.
Tangle Angler and Blightwidow are really bad. If you want a real threat for four mana, Phyrexian Vatmother is the best choice. While not a powerhouse, being a 4/5 with Infect is gonna do the same thing as the Angler's ability. Trust me, no one will let 4 infect damage go through if possible.
Don't even consider Vector Asp.
If you're really worried about Melira, Sylvok Outcast and Solemnity, there are soooo many options in that easily deal with it. Below I'll post a list to a list of cards that are both under one dollar and can deal with the cards you worry about. Just copy and paste it tp have a look. Some notable ones are Natural State, Bloodchief's Thirst, Broken Bond, Eliminate, Feed the Swarm, Wilt and many more.
There is also a huge number of lands that are dirty cheap and can be very useful in your deck. From the top of my head I cam remember Ifnir Deadlands and Hashep Oasis. You could also run some of the MDFC ones such as Vastwood Fortification Flip, Khalni Ambush Flip and Pelakka Predation Flip. Llanowar Wastes, Skemfar Elderhall and Temple of Malady couls be very useful too.
Lastly, Contagion Clasp is not good. Just run any other creature.
If you want me to give you suggestions more aligned with how Infect is normally played, tell me and I'll be happy to help. I just wanted to respect your deckbuilding style as much as possible with these.
6 months ago
What about an Ivy Lane Denizen with Scurry Oak or Herd Baloth to make infinite Tokens and a infinitely big creature. I see you run Craterhoof Behemoth but not a single token creater.Maybe some more Tutors would also help like Shared Summons which puts these to pieces at instant speed into your hand? Eventhough Shared Summons is a bit low powered considering that you run such a powerful Manabase. So maybe Worldly Tutor, Summoner's Pact or Survival of the Fittest instead? I'd probably cut Abundance, Triumph of the Hordes, The Great Aurora (since you only run 32 lands) and Managorger Hydra, since you run Forgotten Ancient already which is a strictly better version of Managorger Hydra. Also in terms of carddraw it seems like you could have some more. Maybe a Return of the Wildspeaker or Greater Good to be able to use these big creatures to keep on drawing into fuel. Maybe consider dropping the fight effects like Khalni Ambush Flip and Smell Fear. They seem rather inconvenient without deathtouch even if they can easily be used as target removal, but i guess drawing into a wincon is worth more than getting rid of a creature?
6 months ago
Would recommend lowering your mana curve, increase the ramp base, and add some tutors.
Depending on your budget, you should definitely run Green Sun's Zenith and Worldly Tutor, and perhaps squeeze in a Profane Tutor. Also cheap pick ups that are a must are Unmarked Grave, Reanimate, and Animate Dead.
If you don't want to run infinites (like Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Walking Ballista), a nice non-infinite combo is Dauthi Voidwalker + Mindslicer + an infinite sac outlet (you should consider running also Carrion Feeder). Also if you run Phyrexian Delver, you can have your opponents lose around 20 life points each in a turn with Kokusho, the Evening Star (if Meren is also in play).
Cards I'd remove to accomodate the changes: Burning-Rune Demon, Khalni Ambush Flip, Hagra Mauling Flip, Dictate of Erebos, Read the Bones, Izoni, Thousand-Eyed, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord, Tormod, the Desecrator, Springbloom Druid, Greater Good, Satyr Wayfinder.
I have a decklist which is semi-competitive and quite expensive, but I can guarantee it is nice to have the deck running faster, smoother, and without having your opponents targeting you as the archenemy form the beginning. Meren Surgical Toolbox [2K22].
10 months ago
33 Lands seems like too few for an average cmc of more than two and a half, especially with only 11 draw effects. Even the fact that you have 17 ramp effects doesn't sway me, as many elf decks sitting closer to 25 barely scrape by with 33. And MDFC or two could help with this, though--Bala Ged Recovery Flip, Khalni Ambush Flip... and speaking of Ambush, I couldn't help but notice your distinct lack of interaction. These days at least 9 removal effects are suggested. Masked Vandal, Nullmage Shepherd, Viridian Zealot, and maybe Gilt-Leaf Winnower could all work alongside the aforementioned Ambush, and a handful of less synergistic cards as well. It's gotta be done :(
11 months ago
1 year ago
Hey, you're welcome, nice changes.
Is the +1/+1 counter theme worth it here? Bane is a good card in multiplayer, but it doesn't need a +1/+1 counter theme to be good, it just happens to use +1/+1 counters. Champion of Lambholt also uses counters, but she gets counters from creating creature tokens, interaction with Twincasters. Fractals also have counters, but that's just how they're created, the additional +1/+1 counter theme isn't really helping Fractals. +1/+1 counters don't have interaction with making token copies of creatures since the token copy doesn't get the counters when it's created.
A good counter interaction here is Primal Empathy + Fathom Mage , but how consistent is it that you get both these cards without having tutors to get them? Not sure if Fathom is worth playing as a draw source when it wants a more expanded counter theme to get the most out of it. Empathy, you don't have a consistent high power creature to take advantage of the draw.
Fae Offering has a good token effect with Twincasters, but only if you can trigger it which consistently seems too difficult here. Khalni Ambush Flip, fight is good with Hornet Nest , but I don't think I would play a card that all it does is fight just to have this interaction. You don't really have powerful enough creatures until later in the game that can fight an opponents creature, kill it while also having your creature survive.
Some budget changes to consider based on my last comment:
- Tireless Provisioner --> Rishkar, Peema Renegade
- Meloku the Clouded Mirror --> Deekah, Fractal Theorist
- Kodama of the East Tree --> Managorger Hydra
- Champion of Lambholt --> Master Biomancer
- Spawnwrithe --> Fae Offering
- Risen Reef --> Fathom Mage
- Double Major --> Khalni Ambush Flip
- Fierce Empath --> Nissa's Expedition
- Mystic Reflection --> Turn Aside
- Reconnaissance Mission --> Eureka Moment
1 year ago
Thank you for the card suggestion. My card "awareness?" you'd call it is actually still developing, so this is a big help! I only started playing 4 months ago. Actually might manage to hit the delirium of Traverse the Ulvenwald rather consistenly.
I think I should explain what I've found through testing, and the choices for the two cards I've mentioned plus the added Street Wraiths, while I'm at it:
o At first the answer for me was the same, I need to put and keep Fynn on the board to really do much of anything. Fynn, the Fangbearer shares the spot for main-hitter with Phyrexian Crusader though. It's not that you have a 4 in 54 chance to hit the card you need, but it's 8 in 54. The deck is very much midrange with a fast start. The best one is Narnam/Foulmire into Fynn, the Fangbearer to hit a match off obviously. I added the 2 Wraiths just through playtesting, to drive the percentadge of hitting that start high enough, while also keeping the cards I felt necessairy.
o The removal is a get-you-there tool, except for Bone Shards . I actually thought about 2 Assassin's Trophy and 3 of Bone Shards . Discarding Crusader is important, because you want to pay a single for him. Which is why I choose Grisly Salvage . Because of it, I actually run this with 4 Street Wraith and 2 Mishra's Bauble a lot of the times. This card alone is the reason for 4 Crusaders, and for Bone Shards. I had about 1 in 40 matches where it hit truly badly, eliminating too many 1-drops, or more than half of Mishra's Bauble . Having 4 Wraiths solved this issue, at the cost of life total. In that scenario, even if you don't hit Fynn, you have dug six cards deep into your deck and smoothed out your draw in that situation. It fills the graveyard, fixes mana, I couldn't find any card working better for this deck. It's also the reason for precisely 1 Call of the Death-Dweller . If Traverse the Ulvenwald imrpoves this deck significantly, it would probably replace some Grisly, and therefore change the entire deck.
o Two of the fight spells are for mana fixing, just through playtesting I noticed that this deck struggled having sometimes one too many, one less mana than it needed. Khalni Ambush Flip fixed that immensely. The only real fight spell I choose conciously was Primal Might , and that is because it doesn't only clear a threat, but it can also buff Crusader. I've won games specifically because of Might, buffing the crusader to a 4/4 was enough there.
I hope this helped!