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|Hour of Devastation (HOU)||Uncommon|
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Destroy target black creature or black planeswalker. If it was a Liliana planeswalker, it's controller loses 3 life.
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Liliana's Defeat Discussion
3 days ago
You definitely need removal and some more card advantage in this deck. I would recommend a couple Path to Exiles and Fatal Pushes. Thraben Inspector is just a great 1-drop, Fiend Hunter perma-exiles with your blink effects, Pain Seer and Glint-Sleeve Siphoner are 'great' budget alternatives to Dark Confidant. Kitesail Freebooter has been an all-star in human decks. I wouldn't advise against something like Arguel's Blood Fast Flip or Phyrexian Arena for card advantage as well. Anthems like Always Watching or Radiant Destiny are always good.
For your sideboard, Rest in Peace and Stony Silence. Collective Brutality is fantastic against control with its discard effect, and is one of the best hosers against burn and aggro. Cards like Fragmentize are always a safe choice. Arashin Cleric is a favorite of mine for faster match ups. Liliana's Defeat and Gideon's Defeat are great against those colors. Duress is also great against control and combo decks. You may need something like Eerie Interlude to protect yourself against wraths.
1 week ago
One more good change you could make would be to drop Jace's Defeat for a Chandra's Defeat or Liliana's Defeat. Either one would probably be more useful, I see a lot of Vraska, Relic Seeker and Chandra, Torch of Defiance at my lgs, with this 4 color approach you could honestly have 1 defeat for each walker in, just as a back up and they double as removal against the right color. I cant really make a suggestion on what to drop as most of the rest seems solid, maybe Enigma Drake. I will say Jace's Defeat is easily they weakest of the group unless you really just plan on using it as a Counterspell against blue decks.
3 months ago
Cards I would try to remove from deck because you either lack cards to support them or are just on the weak side:
Embraal Bruiser: lack of artifacts
Graceful Cat: not very strong for its mana cost
Mummy Paramount: lack of zombies to trigger effect
Ruthless Sniper: lack of cycling cards to trigger
Liliana's Defeat: strong vs black, but best not to run cards like this in a mainboard because you never know if your match up will make use of this card from the start.
Getting more of Gifted Aetherborn would help a lot likely.
If possible you may want to also use Walk the Plank unless your friends are playing merfolks.
Hope these suggestions are helpful. Tried to make suggestions that would not brake the bank. Its a nice deck you have there for making it out of a builders kit.
3 months ago
I'm back with suggestions (because I was bored so I looked up the sets in standard rotation and did a cursory sweep for cards that may be useful here)Costly Plunder, Siren's Ruse, Walk the Plank, Liliana's Defeat, and Supernatural Stamina.
Now, as for Costly Plunder and Siren's Ruse, I think these are two cards that you will find invaluable. They combo exceptionally with your pirates. Costly Plunder gets you some good card acceleration, and if you sac Dire Fleet Hoarder you can get even more bang for your buck. In fact, that's why Supernatural Stamina is here; for more shinanigans involving Dire Fleet Hoarder. Siren's Ruse is even better though: it can save a creature from combat/spells with it's instant speed, it triggers your pirates enterance abilities, and seeing as how all your creatures are pirates, it replaces itself when you cast it. Regardless of whatever else you do,add this one.
As for the cuts, that's mostly up to you. As far as recommendations I can make: there are two ways of approaching this. Playtest, and find out the most efficient combinations of creatures and spells from among the cards listed here and in your deck, optimizing a deck with many 4 ofs. The other way to do it, is to run more 2 ofs and 1 ofs even, so as to have a more 'dynamic' deck. It will be lest consistent, but more flavorful, and in a casual environment it can be lots of fun.
Again, I like the deck! (I've always had a soft spot for tribal). Keep it up
4 months ago
4 months ago
You have Jace's Defeat, why not run Liliana's Defeat? Very good one mana removal spell, as long as your opponent is playing black. I wouldn't do Chandra's Defeat though, in edh 5 damage to a red creature isn't that good, even with the ability to target a red planeswalker.
5 months ago
Sorry it's taken me so long to playtest this.
This works REALLY well, unless your Opponent has a bit of removal.
The are some small changes I'll suggest, to just tighten everything up:
Move Ever After to the Sideboard. It's really only good for grindy games, and often sits in the hand, doing nothing.
Likewise with Nimble Obstructionist. Since you are relying on a Control strategy for the early to mid game, I think Disallow would be better suited to take care of important threats. Stopping something altogether, as opposed to its ability ONCE, seems to be better value, to me.
Hope that helps.
5 months ago
Ballzanya Thanks for the feedback! I like Duress, Relic of Progenitus, Liliana's Defeat, and Despise quite a bit. With some help from the other suggestions people made, I really feel like the sideboard is starting to come together quite nicely. I'm worried that the 4 mana board wipes may be too high above my curve, especially considering I'm only running 19 lands.