Pain Seer


Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Hero Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Heirloom Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
MTGO Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Born of the Gods (BNG) Rare
Promo Set (000) Rare

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Pain Seer

Creature — Human Wizard

Inspired — Whenever Pain Seer becomes untapped, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to that card's converted mana cost.

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Pain Seer Discussion

Force_of_Willb on Shade of the Past

5 days ago

There are many ways to build mono black, and there aren't many different cards that I can suggest that haven't been included in your maybe list. Typical builds of mono black that has had some success in modern include Zombies or Vampires. The deck formula is usually the same. ~22 lands, ~26 creatures (8 1-drops, 8 2-drops, 6 3-drop, 4 4+ drops), and ~12 disruption spells consisting of discard and removal. Some problems I see with your current deck is that the curve doesn't flow as your lowest creature CMC is 3 and you would only have about a 17% chance to have one in hand by turn three. Another problem with mono black is that it runs out of gas compared to other colors, your current build has only 2 draw spells (and not a great one at that).

If i was to build i would try out something like this: Creatures (in order or preference):

1 - drops (8): Gravecrawler ($) or Bloodsoaked Champion / Dread Wanderer (budget) - recursion, threats that continue late game and can recover after a sweeper (maybe even one you cast yourself)

Shadow Alley Denizen - makes other creatures difficult to block (worse against other black deck matchups)

Typhoid Rats - unfavorable to block, trades favorably on defense late game

Hex Parasite - Usual for removing counters / killing plainswalkers (Meta Choice)

Vampire Lacerator, Guul Draz Vampire, or Cryptbreaker, Diregraf Ghoul - choices if you build vampires or zombies

2 - drops (8): Bloodghast, Scrapheap Scrounger - recursion threats

Gifted Aetherborn - Vampires - difficult to block, gains life, good on defense

Most modern decks use Dark Confidant $$$ - some budget options to help draw cards could include Glint-Sleeve Siphoner, Pain Seer

3 - drops (6): Vampire Nighthawk is the best option in the three spot and should be a 4x of.

if building zombies you have other options, usually they use the 3 spot for lords DeathBaron ($), Diregraf Colossus, or Lord of the Accursed (budget) pumps and makes blocking harder.
Geralf's Messenger can remove 4 life without even attacking, trades favorably once and gets bigger - downside is the coming into play tapped. or Plague Belcher which is good if you have a gravecrawler to target the negative counters.

Ruin Raider and Grim Haruspex can hep draw you cards to keep you gassed.

4+ Drops (4): These are you finishers, if budget is not an option than Phyrexian Obliterator is the choice.

For zombies you could try a combination of Gray Merchant of Asphodel and Korlash, Heir to Blackblade as the legend multiples rule doesnt really count against him. Grave Titan could be an option too.

Vampires the choice is Vampire Nocturnus

Budget considerations include values cards like Nekrataal/Ravenous Chupacabra or Desecration Demon which has seen some success before.

For your removal package you need to think about a balance that supports your deck. If you are playing aggro with creatures that have recursion than hand disruption that targets instants and sorceries are weak. I would focus on creature removal with high kill spells and Harsh Scrutiny. If your creatures are weak to removal or have high amounts of evasion then the protect package Duress would be better. Obviously cards like Thoughtseize which targets both is better, but stick to one type that best suites the deck you build and place the other type in the sideboard.

For lands I would cut to 22, they can be all swamps but you can try out cards like Leechridden Swamp/Piranha Marsh/Desert of the Glorified/Ifnir Deadlands/Scavenger Grounds (meta choice) or Terramorphic Expanse/Canyon Slough/Fetid Pools if speed isn't too important

CRKFIEND on Phenax Mill commander deck help?

1 month ago

Pain Seer and Daring Thief? They seem pretty good with the mill effects. I don't have any personal experience with a Phenax deck, but if I did, they would be chilling right next to King Macar as sweet Inspired effects.

NotSoBaldGuy on Budget Jund

1 month ago

Thanks for the suggestions 307945

My thoughts on them:

Pain Seer is too conditional and way to slow. Earliest possible draw from it is on turn 4, if he succesfully attacked in turn 3 and survives until your untap step. Dodging on more hit from Walking Ballista than Dark Confidant is not enough to play it. Night's Whisper, Bedlam Reveler and even Phyrexian Arena are just more reliable in guaranteeing you a draw or more.

I agree with Putrid Leech beeing a good beater, but I have more than enough in Scavenging Ooze and Grim Flayer. Managorger Hydra is just to slow for Modern and this deck is the wrong shell for it in my opinion.

I also agree on Domri Rade in beeing slow and don't applying any immediate pressure, but he synergizes very well with Grim Flayer. Beeing able to draw a creature after filtering with the flayer is awesome in the midgame. Domri needs some board presence to work, but secures you games when protected. An uncontested Grim Flayer into Domri Rade is an amazing position in a budget casual Modern duel.

Anyways thanks again, the suggestions helped me a lot in understanding how the deck should work.


Dspignatari on Dead Guy Vehicles

1 month ago

Actually, it's probably worth it to try Pain Seer. Vehicles make it easy to get value off it.

Uncanny_Ghoul on One Maralen, One Orb, and none shall play.

1 month ago

Sjorpha Hello and thanks for commenting!

Sadly I'm not going to use Dark Confidant nor Pain Seer due to the life loss maralen causes already, depending on the colors we play we might end up with fetch/shock lands also so that's not really in my interest.

like previously said, the shadow + isochron is a great combo, but what would you use with it to prevent us from dying on turn 3-4 against aggro decks. Isochron is bad on it's own, so is shadow, maralen and the orb.

but if you have any good idea how to use them together I really would love to! These cards are amazing :D

jgc10 on

2 months ago

Big fan of budget decks and this one looks solid. Maybe Harsh Scrutiny over Despise if you're not worried about Planeswalkers too much? Couple alternatives to Black Knight could be Blood Scrivener, Nantuko Shade, Pain Seer, Ravenous Rats, Vampire Hexmage.

solarbeam on Justice Be Done, Though The Heavens Fall (Humans)

4 months ago

You definitely need removal and some more card advantage in this deck. I would recommend a couple Path to Exiles and Fatal Pushes. Thraben Inspector is just a great 1-drop, Fiend Hunter perma-exiles with your blink effects, Pain Seer and Glint-Sleeve Siphoner are 'great' budget alternatives to Dark Confidant. Kitesail Freebooter has been an all-star in human decks. I wouldn't advise against something like Arguel's Blood Fast  Flip or Phyrexian Arena for card advantage as well. Anthems like Always Watching or Radiant Destiny are always good.

As for your top end, I would splash green for Sigarda, Heron's Grace, run Angel of Invention, Ravenous Demon  Flip, Angelic Overseer, and Restoration Angel are all great.

Replace the Hooded Assassin with the Fiend Hunter, and Mardu Shadowspear with Bloodsoaked Champion

For your sideboard, Rest in Peace and Stony Silence. Collective Brutality is fantastic against control with its discard effect, and is one of the best hosers against burn and aggro. Cards like Fragmentize are always a safe choice. Arashin Cleric is a favorite of mine for faster match ups. Liliana's Defeat and Gideon's Defeat are great against those colors. Duress is also great against control and combo decks. You may need something like Eerie Interlude to protect yourself against wraths.

Ghosty on Vehicle Sisters

4 months ago

what about Dark Confidant instead of Pain Seer?

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