kalitas, traitor of ghet and grave betrayal
Asked by Mairon_Bauglir 7 years ago
What order do these effects trigger? My thoughts are that since you as the controller controls what order things trigger and go on the stack, you can trigger Grave Betrayal first so that the opponent's creature would whenever the death trigger goes off, then Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet second effect goes off, and I looked up the ruling that technically the creature dies first but doesn't go to the graveyard, so that the creature is exiled and a 2/2 token zombie is created under your control, then Grave Betrayal fetches that creature that died and it comes back from the exile as a black zombie. Is this how they would interact with each other or do they interact in some other way? It isn't really an overpowered combo, just one I think I found and wanted to have fun with. Thanks for any help!
Rhadamanthus says... #2
These cards don't work together at all if you control both of them.
First things first, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet doesn't have any triggered abilities. A triggered ability always starts with "when", "whenever", or "at". Kalitas' first ability is a replacement effect, which you can tell here by the use of the word "instead" ("as", "with", and "prevent" are some others to look out for). A replacement effect replaces the given event completely with a new, modified event. In your example this means your opponent's non-token creatures don't "die", because "dies" specifically means "goes to the graveyard from the battlefield". Grave Betrayal won't trigger, since the "a creature you don't control dies" event never actually happens.
February 10, 2017 10:11 p.m.
A token creature dying doesn't get replaced by Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, so it would trigger Grave Betrayal, but of course won't exist to be returned, so it isn't particularly good either.
Panzerforge says... Accepted answer #1
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet's ability is a replacement effect.
The creature never "dies" with his ability, it is simply exiled.
February 10, 2017 10:06 p.m.