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Lim-Dul the Necromancer
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever a creature an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from play, you may pay (1)(Black). If you do, return that card to play under your control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types.
(1)(Black): Regenerate target Zombie.
Mave on
endles whispers edh
5 months ago
I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)
In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.
Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.
Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.
To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).
If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.
Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.
It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.
I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.
I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.
Balaam__ on The Immortal Legion
1 year ago
There’s Lim-Dul the Necromancer. There’s a host of other abilities that return a creature card to your hand, although I’d venture a guess that isn’t what you’re looking for.
Dracoson on Tergrid vs other Grave interactions
2 years ago
In the example cited, there's a different outcome for each.
Grave Betrayal sets up a delayed trigger for the beginning of the next end step. As Tergrid, God of Fright Flip's triggered ability goes on the stack without delay. So if a creature is sacrificed by someone other than you, Tergrid will bring it back under your control, and Grave Betrayal will have nothing to return. If a creature an opponent controls dies, but was not sacrificed, Tergrid will not trigger, and Grave Betrayal will bring it back at the next end step (assuming it hasn't left the graveyard for some other reason).
Now, Dauthi Voidwalker is different, as it has a replacement effect instead of a triggered ability. While it is on the battlefield, your opponents cards never go to the graveyard, they go to exile so they cannot be returned by Tergrid's triggered ability.
Finally, let's use Lim-Dul the Necromancer as a third relevant example. As both Tergrid and this have triggers that go onto the stack right away, you will choose which order they go on the stack. Whichever one resolves first will return the creature.
FormOverFunction on Next Commander
2 years ago
I’m always a fan of using older/less-popular legends as commanders like: Lim-Dul the Necromancer , Joven , General Jarkeld , Cabal Patriarch , or even Questing Beast . They’re not always going to be as efficient or powerful, but they’ve got a lot of theme to work with and can catch people off guard (at a low investment cost). I’ve been deep down the theme hole, which is great if you enjoy it...but maybe just dip your toe in? Casual play is the best (probably only) place to try it...
Toasty_Death on
Lich Themed Deck Guide
3 years ago
Thank you! I'll definitely add Nine Lives to the list, fits in well. Lim-Dul the Necromancer shall be thrown in with the other non-zombies, he should make a good addition to any grave control lich decks.
Kholan95 on
Lich Themed Deck Guide
3 years ago
Great list! Does Lim-Dul the Necromancer and other canon characters in the MtG lore?
Drakorya on Creatues That Work Well With …
4 years ago
Deathbringer Thoctar can work well, and Thornbite Staff can turn Archetype of Finality into it's own sharpshooter.
If you're decks aim is to have ways to kill all of your opponents creatures, you may want to run Grave Betrayal , Lim-Dul the Necromancer , and Scythe of the Wretched .
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