|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Rare|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Rare|
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Creature — Beast
When Obstinate Baloth enters the battlefield, you gain 4 life.
If a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard Obstinate Baloth, put it onto the battlefield instead of putting it into your graveyard.
Obstinate Baloth Discussion
3 months ago
“If I’m behind, the deck was getting bad draws anyway so that’s a bad argument.” You’re conceding that your deck gets bad draws. Does that tell you anything? Also, how is it a bad argument to suggest that Shivan Wumpus is a terrible topdeck when you’re behind? If the deck was “getting bad draws” during the game, a value creature like Thragtusk or Obstinate Baloth would get you right back in the game instead of paying 4 mana to have your opponent sacrifice a land.
4 months ago
Way to strong for standard. At 5 loyalty, it'll be hard to kill. A removal spell off the bat, each turn need be, etc.
Decent in EDH, actually very strong, but not insanely so, in modern Death's Shadow, Pox variants, Rack variants, and Bx Midrange decks can go ham with him, using effects in BGx such as Scavenging Ooze , Obstinate Baloth , etc. to gain life. Variations of Ad Nauseam or Solemnity combo run Phyrexian Unlife , which makes the upkeep cost effectively 0, etc.
Legacy I can't tell. Maybe variants on Nic Fit run it, maybe it is too slow or not effective against the field enough. Vintage could care less.
5 months ago
I think Fog lists suffer from not having proactive threats against stuff like Burn or combo, where your fogs do nothing. This would be remedied in the sideboard, where you could play something like Thragtusk or Obstinate Baloth , and Vendilion Clique for disruption plus pressure. I don't think Modern currently facilitate a meta for reactive/passive decks. Control is dipping up and down as it is.
If you're going to the trouble of hurting yourself for the extra colour, you should also contemplate the sideboard cards it allows. I think, if I were to play Bant, I would bring in Wilderness Reclamation (but that's because I love the card and have bought into the hype), so that you can go nuts with instant speed wraths like Settle the Wreckage , Evacuation , or Cyclonic Rift , plus have a single Sphinx's Revelation to get you back into the game.
5 months ago
Dragaan Forgot to mention Tormod's Crypt : I found Tormod's Crypt to be stronger than Relic of Progenitus , being able to keep tempo with dredge and curving out while threatening a nuke should they dredge Stinkweed Imp is huge, vs using your time and Mana to get a card and the whole yard with Relic; modern is too fast for slow card advantage and Mana inefficient hate.
I don't hate Grafdigger's Cage , I just found it has a lot of the same overlap as Tormod's Crypt or Dismember against creature combo, and Grafdigger's Cage falls prey to permanent hate like Knight of Autumn or even Assassin's Trophy .
Obstinate Baloth along with Kitchen Finks is part of the "generic mid-range/increased threat density plan" that also has applications against burn, Liliana of the Veil and Burning Inquiry . Against decks such as UW control, Jund and burn they have plenty of interaction for your dudes, and pump spells such as Aspect of Hydra (vs UW) and Rancor (vs Burn) can get clunky. So I usually end up boarding one of the pumps out for the 4 creatures (or both of the pumps for Dismember as well against Jund).
5 months ago
This is one of the few solid stompy lists I've seen on the site that seems to still be actively updated. I don't know how often you play the list and where you play (online, local, or both), but I'd like to know your opinion on a few things.
1.) Sideboard: You aren't running any Damping Sphere at all in your sideboard. Have you tried them out and found them lacking? Or is it a local meta issue? Also curious if Tormod's Crypt is more a budget option or if you find it works better than Relic of Progenitus and/or Grafdigger's Cage . Also curious about Obstinate Baloth in the current meta.
2.) Have you ever tried/tested any of these creatures in the deck - Ghalta, Primal Hunger , Rhonas the Indomitable (usually as a 1-of and only when also running at least 1 Ghalta), or Groundbreaker ? Dungrove Elder is another one I'm always mulling over but I just cannot seem to make my mind up, but I see you have already voiced your opinion on that card in the comments above.
3.) Do you really feel the deck plays best with 0 removal game 1? I always felt the deck should have at LEAST 1 Dismember in the maindeck, preferably 2. Again, I haven't played much recently but I assume the Dismembers would be vital vs cards like Crackling Drake or TitI (which is everywhere atm and, once flipped, almost single-handedly wins the game for them).
5 months ago
stensiagamekeeper--wow. Best deck comments ever!
One, math is hard. Agreed. I've run 8 dorks before and it feels ALL IN on the combo. No plan B. I'll stick to 6 for now, but run 4 Birds of Paradise and 2 Noble Hierarch s (the original list was 2 Birds and 4 Nobles which felt wrong for color fixing).
Three, the deck originally called for a maindeck Cavern of Souls but I agree it doesn't need it. I will keep an eye on the mana and consider adjusting my dork split. I hadn't thought of the Raging Ravine angle. I'll add it to the Maybeboard.
Four, ah! It didn't occur to me Linvala, Keeper of Silence was for that match up. I suppose that works for Whir Prison, too. Thanks!
The creator of the deck has top 8'ed with and without Ghalta, Primal Hunger . I'll keep it on my radar. Surrak, the Hunt Caller is faster than he looks because if you evolve Strangleroot Geist his undying trigger gives you 8 power and haste. I'm staying away from enchantments, planeswalkers, and 5 drops for now because they don't combo well with Strangleroot Geist plus Eldritch Evolution . Otherwise the boar or some of the new god-eternals would be sweet!
Thanks for your help and let me know if you think of anything else, or if you have any Modern lists you need a second set of eyes on!
7 months ago
8 months ago
Thrun, the Last Troll has lost a lot of luster against UW in my opinion. Terminus and Settle the Wreckage are both clean ways to get around Hexproof and regenerate, it feels so good to resolve against Cryptic Command mana, but he doesn't seal the opponent's fate on the spot anymore.
A more janky suggestion is if you're considering Jace, the Mind Sculptor to tuck your pod targets back in the deck, Riverwise Augur is much lower power level, but it is poddable. I don't know how often this would come up, I would personally say either aren't worth it.
Obstinate Baloth occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.01%