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Root Maze Discussion
2 days ago
This is a somewhat strange request. The interaction between Dakmor Salvage and The Gitrog Monster is extremely strong, and very cheap monetarily. You should consider running a couple dredge cards for value anyways, as hitting 2-3 extra draws off a dredge is an easy and once again cheap monetarily way to get ahead in card advantage.
To humor you though, here's what I'd probably run.
- The full suite of 1 drop mana dorks Arbor Elf Llanowar Elves Fyndhorn Elves Birds of Paradise etc. etc. and some big dorks like Priest of Titania
- Cards that let me put extra lands into play for more landfall triggers Sakura-Tribe Scout Skyshroud Ranger Azusa, Lost but Seeking Explore Exploration Burgeoning maybe even Walking Atlas
- Cards that let me turn lands into effects or otherwise graveyard the lands Sylvan Safekeeper Constant Mists Crop Rotation Elvish Reclaimer Edge of Autumn Lotus Field Forbidden Ritual Reprocess Harrow
- Cards that love lands entering battlefield or graveyard Terravore Titania, Protector of Argoth Avenger of Zendikar Rampaging Baloths Undergrowth Champion Lotus Cobra
- Symmetrical black land hate cards that I can break parity on with Gitrog draws and recursion Smallpox Pox Death Cloud Desolation
- Recursion effects for all these land sacs Life from the Loam Groundskeeper Crucible of Worlds Ramunap Excavator
- Cards that go with my board hate subtheme here Torment of Hailfire Oppression Necrogen Mists Bottomless Pit Bane of Progress Back to Nature Black Sun's Zenith Damnation Root Maze Caustic Caterpillar
- Finishers if you don't want to combo, like Beastmaster Ascension Genesis Wave Craterhoof Behemoth Overrun Overwhelming Stampede
And from there, round it out with some efficient early game beaters, some spot removal, land ramp, and a bit of card draw.
6 days ago
Chhris: The line has been removed and every other viable line available as of yet has been described in the Kill Loops. The Card Selection categories now reflect the custom categories in the decklist.
These changes were mostly for cosmetics and clarity, but stay tuned as I will be working on this in the coming days. Cards currently being tested: Root Maze , Guardian Project , Krosan Grip , and Emerald Medallion .
1 week ago
You have the bear version already but you may just want Torpor Orb . Also, the card that loses you the most friends is Winter Orb granted it takes a few more cards to make the card asymmetrical in green it should be in here if your goal is truly to lose friends. Without it this deck looks pretty friendly to me :) Root Maze is also pretty fun especially for those running fetch lands.
1 week ago
Hey man! I got a few suggestions -- I hope you find them helpful:
The best aspect of playing green is its access to turn one dorks. I'm sure you've noticed your Birds of Paradise is a great play to lead with; you should consider the following: Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , Fyndhorn Elves , Avacyn's Pilgrim and Orcish Lumberjack . Bloom Tender and Priest of Titania are good two-mana plays in this sort of package.
Another benefit to running dorks in green, aside from their mana, is that they're bodies. An Overrun effect can easily take the game, if you have a critical mass of creatures. Ironically, Overrun itself is pretty mediocre as far as Overrun effects go... I suggest running Triumph of the Hordes and Craterhoof Behemoth , since these are great ways to make an army of tiny duders into an army of deadly duders. Craterhoof Behemoth is especially good, since you can fetch it out with Natural Order , should you choose to run that.
So, I'm not quite sure how your deck is going to play. However, I suspect you'll have a lot of creatures during the mid-game. I think you should consider running Shamanic Revelation and/or Slate of Ancestry .
Veil of Summer is one of the more absurdly good cards printed recently. I highly suggest running it in any green deck -- it's a cantrip that protects your guys from counters and spot removal. There're some really odd niche-cases it's good in, too, like against Bitter Ordeal .
I don't think Path to Exile is very good. In general, ramping your opponents in a format with forty life and several enemies trying to do busted things is a dangerous move. I like your Swords to Plowshares a lot more.
Naya has access to some serious hate, in the form of bears and in the form of regular stax pieces. You should at least consider some of the following: Aven Mindcensor , Aura of Silence , Winter Orb (especially if you're running the dorks mentioned in (1)), Linvala, Keeper of Silence , Price of Glory , Root Maze , Armageddon (if you're like me and don't mind getting flipped off), Gaddock Teeg , Collector Ouphe , Stony Silence , Null Rod , Kataki, War's Wage and similar such nonsense. These are a really good way to slow down opponents long enough to get your army out and swinging.
Finally, depending on your meta, there're a few green enchantments you should strongly consider: Choke , Carpet of Flowers and Compost are all super powerful, given the right meta. Blue and black are the two most common colors in EDH, so you can be pretty certain you'll be facing one or both most of the time.
Right. That's all I got for now. Good luck!
1 week ago
Dude this is sickkkk. I like this brew a lot! Only a few suggestions and they may not even belong here but I’m suggesting them cause it’s another angle that could potentially be helpful. I’m thinking stuff like Hall of Gemstone , Primal Order , Root Maze or Ritual of Subdual if and only if you like the idea of adding some sweet green control in. While you have the abilities to tap/untap your opponents will struggle even more with those enchantments out. Like I said, maybe not at all what you're looking for, but they crossed my mind when looking over your list.
Good luck! +1
3 weeks ago
So there're a lot of different directions you can take RG decks. I'll suggest some basic, universal additions first, and then suggest some win conditions:
The best part of green in EDH is the dorks. You should definitely run at least Llanowar Elves , but there're some other cards you should consider: Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Birds of Paradise , Arbor Elf , Shaman of Forgotten Ways , Somberwald Sage , Joraga Treespeaker ... If you end up having a lot of elves, running something like Priest of Titania is worth including. Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers can get a lot of mana. Finally, Orcish Lumberjack is a card I have been very impressed with... turning a forest into effectively a better Black Lotus is a good thing. (Note that Arbor Elf is especially good if it untaps lands enchanted with Utopia Sprawl , Elvish Guidance or Wild Growth ).
Red-green decks tend to poop out a lot of creatures and go lightly on the spells. Slate of Ancestry is an EXCELLENT way to recoup card advantage, provided you have a critical mass of creatures on the table. Commune with Lava is another excellent pseudo-card-draw thingy. If your games are usually four player games, Decimate is frequently a four-for-one, meaning that it's another good source of permanent-count advantage. Shamanic Revelation is another good draw-spell. If you have fat enough creatures, Rishkar's Expertise may merit an include. Hull Breach is a great two-for-one.
Green-red decks, which tend to be creature-heavy, can be soft to boardwipes. Heroic Intervention is a good way to protect your duders; Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence are good ways to recoup cards after losing a bunch of guys.
Tutors are good. Gamble is cheap these days, due to the recent reprint. Green Sun's Zenith , Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling can all grab powerful creatures to play -- note that GSZ for X = 0 can grab Dryad Arbor , if you run it. Worldly Tutor or Sylvan Tutor are also good.
Oftentimes, green-red decks win through a combination of Stax pieces and aggro cards.
Potential Stax Pieces:
Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon : If you craft your land base carefully, you can make these into a near asymmetrical effect. A lot of decks benefit from greedy mana bases in EDH, and these are a way to punish that.
Artifact hate is pretty awesome. Collector Ouphe is powerful, since you can get your ramp from creatures while shutting off non-green players' artifact ramp; as an added bonus, you can grab it with Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling . By Force is an excellent card that can nuke a lot of permanents at once, and Nature's Claim is a very efficient removal spell. Krosan Grip may be justified in a heavy-blue meta. Gorilla Shaman is good as a method of artifact-destruction that does not cost you cards. Also Reclamation Sage and Manglehorn .
Gruul has access to a lot of hatebears. Ruric Thar, the Unbowed is a really powerful dude you've already got, as he can club combo players like me really hard. Harsh Mentor is good for punishing all sorts of decks. Eidolon of the Great Revel , and his cousin Pyrostatic Pillar , are both good. Scab-Clan Berserker is similar to Kambal, Consul of Allocation in Orzhov. Runic Armasaur , too.
Cards like Root Maze can shut down combos really quickly, and City of Solitude / Price of Glory can prevent/discourage countermagic. Pyroblast or the Maybeboarded Red Elemental Blast can also be worth running.
Most of the best green decks end the game with an alpha-strike. Craterhoof Behemoth is the best for this, as it can be tutored out with Natural Order or a high-cost Green Sun's Zenith . Similarly, Overrun is good, but I suggest Triumph of the Hordes as a more potent alternative. This does, of course, require creatures on the board, so I suggest some of the following duders:
Eternal Witness (from Maybeboard)
Deep Forest Hermit / Thelonite Hermit / Deranged Hermit : These make bodies for Craterhoof Behemoth and Slate of Ancestry ; also good if you end up running Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip or Gaea's Cradle .
Beast Whisperer : Added bonus of card advantage.
...and the aforementioned hatebears can also attack.
Good luck! That's all I got.
4 weeks ago
So the main advantage of green is being able to land a dork on turn one, enabling a three-mana commander to hit the table turn two. You're already running Birds of Paradise , which is easily the best turn-one dork; you should definitely be running Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Arbor Elf and Elvish Mystic . One-mana ramp also includes Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth , which are especially good in conjunction with Arbor Elf . Finally, note that turn one Green Sun's Zenith for X = 0 fetches Dryad Arbor , if you choose to run the arbor with your GSZ. Joraga Treespeaker and Priest of Titania don't land your general turn two, but are powerful all the same.
If you choose to run more dorks, then go-wide green strategies are very much on the table as win-conditions. If you have Craterhoof Behemoth , landing it with a couple dorks is usually enough to kill an opponent or two outright. Including Natural Order means that you can get the 'hoof daddy out for four mana. Running God-Eternal Rhonas is similar, and is especially good if you fetch him with Finale of Devastation with X = 10 (it'll give all your dudes at lease 20 power). Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling are other good ways to tutor your fatties out fast. Finaly, Triumph of the Hordes is an excellent 'oops I win' card, as in EDH you still only need ten poison to die.
If you end up running a more 'go-wide' strategy than voltron, you can cut some or all of your equipments. This will allow you to run significant artifact hate. In EDH, almost all non-green decks rely heavily on artifact ramp for their mana, and running something like Collector Ouphe can be lights-out for a lot of opponents. More generally, hatebears and stax-pieces are abundant in EDH; consider Prowling Serpopard , Manglehorn , Root Maze , Hall of Gemstone , Dosan the Falling Leaf , Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger and friends as methods of hating out various decks. If you run dorks, Winter Orb is virtually asymmetric. Similarly, color-dependent cards like Carpet of Flowers or Compost can also be powerhouses. Veil of Summer or the worse Autumn's Veil are all also pretty good for fighting counters.
Land-wise, I think Ancient Tomb is much better than Temple of the False God , and that Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is definitely worth including. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is also kinda bonkers; pairing it with Deserted Temple is good.
There're some creatures you should consider. Eternal Witness , as a creature-based Regrowth , is awesome if something you need gets countered. Beast Whisperer , Soul of the Harvest , Regal Force and Tireless Tracker are good sources of card-advantage. Fierce Empath is good for tutoring up threats, and will make your deck more consistent. Selvala, Heart of the Wilds is both a semi-reliable source of card-draw and also can close to double Omnath, Locus of Mana 's power. Wirewood Symbiote can recur ETB triggers, like Reclamation Sage or Elvish Visionary , while also generating mana.
Speaking of consistency, Worldly Tutor and Sylvan Tutor are great to finding whatever creature you need. Rishkar's Expertise and Genesis Wave are great sources of card-advantage, and that's pretty much like tutoring if you have enough of it.
Finally, you may have good luck with two-mana land-ramp (like your Rampant Growth ) rather than four-mana land-ramp (like your Peregrination ). Nature's Lore or the Portal version, Three Visits , are both great.
Good luck! That's all I got. I'm not good at playing green, but hopefully you found something worth including above.
4 weeks ago
I'll rapidfire staple things and interaction that could be included, maybe one will stick
Also I've seen Thunderfoot Baloth in a few derevi decks, seems decent
Root Maze occurrence in decks from the last year
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