Choose target creature card in a graveyard that was put there from the battlefield this turn. Put that card onto the battlefield under your control.
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Grim Return occurrence in decks from the last year
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Grim Return Discussion
3 months ago
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7 months ago
MrKillStar thank for your feedback. Some of those cards I actually considered but other's didn't even cross my mind, let's break it down.
Massacre Wurm is actually one that I tottally forgot about, it does fit well in the deck, gotta figure out what to cut tho, it was hard enough already had to cut around 20 cards before posting the changes to the deck...
Liliana of the Dark Realms has been in the deck before, several times, I do like her but when it comes to practical terms it does give me 1 or 2 swamps but my table never allows me to ult her, the few times I was able to ult her I won the game soon after and they know they can't let that happen, so I decided to remove her considering most times I play her to die next turn.
Lake of the Dead is nice, and I considered it before, but for the price it costs I'd rather not add it, I don't have the money for it.
Grim Return has been in the deck since it's first version, this is the only version of the deck where I actually cut it out, because I realized altho the card is good most of the times it would just be in my hand doing nothing because I'd want to save it for better creatures, although now with the new rules where the commander does hit the grave before being moved to the command zone, it would allow me to steal the commanders, hmmm might reconsider it. But again, idk what to cut in order to add that one, for 2 more mana Thrilling Encore does a better job.
Bloodcurdling Scream/Howl from Beyond, I only knew the latter of those but I prefer Hatred for that purpose. Actually I chose this name for the deck exactly because of Hatred as it was the main win-con when I first did it.
Tainted Strike would be a great addition if our playgroup played with the 10 infect death, but we changed it to 20 infect in our playgroup to be more "fair". Long story short some years ago a dude won with infect, like big time and people got triggered that it wasn't fair, yada yada, so the majority voted on changing the infect rule between us to 20 instead of 10, way to kill infect decks... So it's not worth in this context as it is basicly the same as cmdr dmg. However if I ever change playgroup sure I'll add Tainted Strike, I have a copy somewhere here.
The big X spells I'd rather just have a few of them, the ones currently in the deck, although you did suggest some interesting stuff, but I don't want many of those. As for Death Wind I had it in the deck before but I decided to replace it with Defile, most of the times it will have the same potential effect because the deck is mono-black plus I have Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth but I will be spending only 1 mana instead. Black Sun's Zenith is already in it btw.
I do like the versitality of Damnable Pact, it can be used to finish off an opponent or simply for you to draw, and I have considered adding it a few times but I don't see anything worth trading for it.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your input, I'll take a better look at your suggestions and see if there's something I can trade for any of those.
7 months ago
Pretty interesting deck :3
I could suggest:
Massacre Wurm - small-scale boardwipe (+Sudden Spoiling); MW also supports your Forbidden Orchard + Illness in the Ranks to slowly drain your opponents out.
Liliana of the Dark Realms - Her ultimate would help you a lot to cast big Exsanguinate/Torment of Hailfire. It might not always work, but you can at least fetch few swamps out of the deck.
Lake of the Dead - A bit pricey land from Reserved List, but it might help a lot aswell.
Grim Return - This could be good, when your commander kills something, just cast this, stealth the killed creature and re-do it next turn? Maybe.. just maybe.
Bloodcurdling Scream/Howl from Beyond - Ramp up, cast this and swing for lethal c.dmg with Umezawa?
Tainted Strike - Sneaky infect? Also insant for only one !
Big black spells with X? Consume Spirit - any target with lifesteal; Damnable Pact - possible card draw or finisher;Death Cloud - big mean cloud!; Death Wind - single target version of Black Sun's Zenith; Profane Command - this card is just great.
Black Market can be silly on its own, even sillier in token decks though... I personally buff it even more with Desecrated Tomb + Tortured Existence (+Phyrexian Altar to go infinite etb/etg triggers). I think any deck running black could use Tortured Existence, just to recover any creature from your graveyard you need at the moment and/or for madness.
11 months ago
Alright, let's see if maybe this will help. I'm really new to everything on here sorry. //Lands 2 Dismal Backwater 1 Dimir Guildgate 2 Submerged Boneyard 4 Evolving Wilds 2 Desert of the Mindful 1 Arcane Lighthouse 1 Reliquary Tower 1 Temple of the False God
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1 year ago
It works for putting Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger on the battlefield, but you'll still have to sacrifice Kroxa. You'll at least get another copy of Kroxa's discard/life loss ETB trigger.
The reason it doesn't quite work for sneaking Kroxa onto the battlefield is because of Kroxa's first triggered ability. Unless Kroxa escaped--meaning you used Kroxa's Escape ability to cast it--you will have to sacrifice Kroxa when it enters the battlefield. This can be from hard-casting it for , reanimating it with Grim Return, putting it onto the battlefield tapped and attacking with Ilharg, the Raze-Boar (and it won't even get to the Declare Blockers step), or any other number of means. If it didn't escape, then you trigger Kroxa's first ability.
1 year ago
I figured since he enters the battlefield but is sacrificed that Grim Return could be a cheap and effective way to sneak him onto the battlefield.
I was just curious because I've seen no decks running it.
1 year ago
triproberts12 thanks for commenting on the deck! I have some drawing spells in there already like Necrologia and Ambition's Cost but I do like your suggestions for lower cost draw spells. My concern with Skeletal Scrying is exiling potentially useful cards since my graveyard is basically the waiting area for all the instant recursion I'd like to see mid-game. I like Moonlight Bargain and am searching for a place to add that particular friend. Because I'm so creature light, I haven't really cared much to use a lot of anti-instant defense in this but I'm considering removing some of my current instants to incorporate some of your suggestions. After I play this a few more times as is, I'll see if some slots merit that defensive capability. For the other synergy options you suggested, some of them I thought the CMC cost too high for their effect or already had a means to do a similar thing ( like Mirari for example, I have Primal Amulet Flip to offer spell copies and add the cost reduction beforehand!). Of your list, I loved the idea of adding Isochron Scepter and Runechanter's Pike ! Mixing Isochron with Dark Ritual or Cabal Ritual for mana, Thrilling Encore or Grim Return to add friends from other graveyards to Toshiro's party, or Liliana's Triumph , Snuff Out , or Go for the Throat for unending killing/sacrificing fun! And Runecrafter's just amps the crap out of (most likely) Toshiro for another avenue of commander damage FTW. Thank you for all your suggestions!