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Celestial Convergence enters the battlefield with seven omen counters on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, remove an omen counter from Celestial Convergence. If there are no omen counters on Celestial Convergence, the player with the highest life total wins the game. If two or more players are tied for highest life total, the game is a draw.
Celestial Convergence Discussion
1 month ago
Hey Ripwater! Thanks for the kind words. I've been playing Karlov since he was released back in Commander 2015. I've spend the last four years tweaking this deck and editing it, and as you can see from my edit history I still make edits when need be. Let me kind of explain my thought process behind why this deck is the way it is. I've been meaning to put this in yhe description of the deck but I just haven't yet. Then let me give you my thoughts on the cards you suggested to me. Here it goes:
Ever since I got big into magic back in RTR I've loved Orzhov and Life Gain strategies. Up until 2015 I spent a majority of my time playing MTG and hearing about how life gain is a bad strategy. Then Karlov was spoiled and my Obzedat, Ghost Council deck was forever changed! I of course looked at Karlov and thought Voltron. Honestly, who doesn't? Here's one of my problems though, I hate Voltron. I just do. My other problem was that V oltron ISN'T life gain. Yes you're adding life gain to the deck to make Karlov beefy, but you aren't gaining life for the purpose of winning. Celestial Convergence , Felidar Sovereign , and Test of Endurance are all ways I win with life gain. Yes this deck runs Aetherflux Reservoir , and I'd be lying if I said I didn't win with Karlov. Plus I'd be stupid not to try and win with him. That's why I run Rogue's Passage , and Elspeth, Knight-Errant . One makes him unblockable and the other makes him a huge flying boy. I'd also be lying if I said that the orginal version of this deck was good. I first made this deck when I fourteen years old. I didn't know much about previous magic cards. I didn't research cards all that much. The first draft of this deck was AWFUL. It wasn't until about a year after I built the first draft and play tested it and made a ton of changes that this deck kicked ass. I started sitting down at tables in gamestores and have people laugh or scoff of me when I told them it was a life gain deck. Then I'd leave them stunned after I won. In conclusion, Voltron isn't my style and wasn't what I wanted to create when I started building this deck. I wanted to make a Business Casual life gain deck what could win consistently and effectively, and I think that's what I've done. Even if Karlov isn't on the field. I can win. If he is on the field and I can't attack with him I can exile creatures. Karlov is only a resource in this deck. Not the centerpiece.
As for Your suggestions. These cards aren't bad suggestions and may find a way into the deck: Contemplation , Tablet of the Guilds , Archangel of Thune , and Ajani, Caller of the Pride . My only problem is that I have a hard time cutting things from this deck haha. It took me three days to finally decide my last batch of cuts! Let me explain why I dislike the other suggestions.
Let me start with Elspeth, Sun's Champion . Elspeth is my favorite planeswalker, and this card specifically is my favorite planeswalker card ever printed. The original version of this deck actually ran Sun's Champion; however, I found that Elspeth, Knight-Errant 's two plus ones were so much more useful. Making one dude isn't nearly as good as making three, but it can still trigger Soul Warden , Soul's Attendant , Suture Priest , and Auriok Champion . Her other plus one works amazing with Karlov, but also works well with creatures like Serra Ascendant and Divinity of Pride . Nine times out of ten you won't get a Planeswalker's ultimate off, so honestly all the ultimate abilites of the planeswalkers I use are irrelavent. Another thing is that Sun's Champion minus ability had the potential to kill large bombs like Karlov and Serra Ascendant .
I feel like Sunscorch Regent costs to much for an ability that doesn't do much for the deck. There are better turn five plays. This card just isn't that good. I probably would've played this when I was on a budget four years ago.
The fact that Flickering Ward flickers back to your hand is cool, but mono colored EDH decks aren't the most common thing and the fact that this can't be casted at instant speed makes it not worth my time. Yes multicolored cards still cant target whatever creature has this enchantment attached to it, but there are plently of ways to get around this card. There are also other, better one drops I'd rather play in this deck
Lastly we have Whispersilk Cloak this card is decent, but as I said, Karlov isn't the main focus of this deck. I ran this card for a brief period about two years ago, but ultimately cut it for Mana Vault . Whispersilk just wasn't doing what I needed it to do, and the only creature I found it useful on was Karlov.
Once again I thank you for your suggestions, and if I do end up adding the cards I liked from your suggestions making cuts will be very hard! Also thank you for the engaging comment, and for the upvote. My opinion on your deck is this: I personally think it could use more tuning, but it's a grrat start. Here's the other thing I have to say, it's not my deck. It's yours. You built it. If you like it then good. What I think is irrelevant. There's no right or wrong way to build your deck. Voltorn is your deck's main style, and mine is using Life Gain to win. We all have our own ways to play, so as long as you enjoy your deck that's what matters!
1 month ago
Nice deck! I always love lifegain strategies!
Aetherflux Reservoir is a good wincon for lifegain strats, and I think it'd work pretty well considering you've got a lot of low CMC spells. You might also look into Felidar Sovereign and Celestial Convergence as wincons. And Exquisite Blood is an infinite combo with both your Defiant Bloodlord and Sanguine Bond .
2 months ago
Thanks for the help Weiss!
2 months ago
I'm back! I'll let you know the results of the tournament on the deckwatch page.
As for the cuts here is the 10 cards I would consider.
- Celestial Convergence - Yes it's an alternative wincon, but its the slowest one you have
- Felidar Sovereign - That's not a Rebel! Shame on you! :P (On the serious note, not tutorable, better slot elsewhere)
- Crovax, Ascendant Hero - Symmetrical effects can be bad
- Condemn - Cute, but meh
- Heroes Remembered - Cool card, like really cool but cute category
- Plea for Guidance - I really don't like expensive tutors
- Academy Rector - No consistent sac outlet, a great card in general but needs a bit moving pieces to be efficient
- Whipcorder - Underwhelming effect
- Tithe Taker - It's meh, a baby abolisher but it has it's uses but more of a meta play
- Avacyn, Angel of Hope - I love her, no joke I can see why you would run her, but doesn't really benefit your gameplan.
Those would be the cards I would recommend cutting. I would however also consider adding in cards like Faith's Reward as anti removal tech as well as Smothering Tithe cuz that cards is just good. The ones I am iffy about removing is the rector as well as Avacyn cuz she bae. But those are my thoughts!
2 months ago
Solemnity is just a really good hate card that shuts off a lot of other decks, like A LOT. It can enable Celestial Convergence immediately but bricks Divine Intervention and Gemstone Mine , but only hitting 2 cards out of your entire deck is still extremely reasonable to just entirely hose some decks.
3 months ago
Here might be some cards that can be helpful:
- Lightning Greaves
- Swiftfoot Boots
- Swords to Plowshares
- Path to Exile
- Dawn of Hope
- Enlightened Tutor
- Return to Dust
- Rebuff the Wicked
- Faith's Reward
- Authority of the Consuls
- Serra Ascendant
- Soul's Attendant
- Lapse of Certainty
- Scout's Warning
- Tragic Arrogance
- Blind Obedience
Cards suggested to cut:
- Ajani's Pridemate
- Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
- Atalya, Samite Master
- Banisher Priest
- Gerrard Capashen
- Martyr of Sands
- Paladin of Atonement
- Sunscorch Regent
- Celestial Convergence
- Celestial Mantle
- Cradle of Vitality
- Nimbus Wings
- Ordeal of Heliod
- Angel's Mercy
- Divine Verdict
- Meditation Puzzle
- Renewed Faith
- Safe Passage
- Planar Cleansing
- Chalice of Life Flip
- Venser's Journal
The reasons the card listed above to cut is one of few reasons either they don't do much, better alternatives, or they don't further your game plan enough to make an impact. By meta I meant, the type of decks you are facing as your meta might be filled with more aggro players than if that's the case you might want to add in a Ghostly Prison for example, or if you are facing a lot of reanimation decks than adding in a Relic of Progenitus or Tormod's Crypt can be fairly helpful. Against control players than you might want to consider a lot Silence/Orim's Chant effects.
Aside from that, some non-budget friendly cards are the obvious Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Teferi's Protection, or Vedalken Orrery. Winding Canyons can also be helpful to flash out Evra or your Felidar Sovereign to sneak in that win.
Hope that helps!
5 months ago
Celestial Convergence is a fringe example of LKI on a non-creature permanent. If this is removed from play in response to its upkeep ability triggering, the "Last Known Information" rule will apply, and nothing will happen because the card will have had at least one counter on it.
8 months ago
Wow, your list is pretty much beat-for-beat how I would like to run a Trostani deck! So as far as adds go, there aren't any that immediately come to mind aside from maybe Test of Endurance, Oracle of Mul Daya, Swiftfoot Boots, and Lightning Greaves. Especially the last two since you have so many cards that require attacking (Myraid cards, Wingmate Roc, Giant Adephage, Wayfaring Temple, Sun Titan) and cards that require tapping to activate (Trostani, Rhys & Oviya). Not to mention you don't want a massive token just sitting around without protection; swing with it right away AND give it hexproof/shroud!
Cuts, on the other hand, I have a couple of suggestions for. Since your deck (and Trostani decks in general) are much better at going tall than going wide, I'd probably recommend cutting some of the "go-wide" cards. Essence Warden, Soul Warden, and Soul's Attendant are good low drops and good at gaining life but aside from cards like Storm Herd I don't see us gaining a lot of life in this deck from these cards. If they're mostly in here because of the low mana cost I'd recommend the cheap mana dorks like Birds of Paradise, Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves instead to help you reach your big cards quicker.
Voracious Wurm seems kind of "win-more" since you need to have gained a considerable amount of life (probably from playing a big token already) before you want to play it. However it is only 2 mana so it probably wouldn't hurt to keep it in.
Celestial Convergence has always been removed before the last counter is taken off in every game I've played.
Cradle of Vitality is kind of like Voracious Wurm in regards to how you're only getting value from the card if you've already played something big. Could be worth it, but if you have a 10/10 on the board, would a 20/20 help you that much more?
Wingmate Roc doesn't seem like it's impactful enough for the mana cost.
Hopefully some of these help! In short I think since your curve is pretty high you should work on either reducing some of the higher CMC cards (but a lot of those are your win conditions or good token generators, so maybe not) or increasing the amounts of ramp in the deck. Good luck! Digging it so far.
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