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Zuran Orb Discussion
1 week ago
Pieguy396 Cruible is in the list. I used to use Zuran Orb, but I ended up removing it so long ago I can't remember why. Did you see any cards that don't seem to fit the scheme or any of the cards in my list you would substitute for?
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Thanks a lot for the tip on card linking.
1 week ago
Just so you know, you can directly link to cards like this: Titania, Protector of Argoth by doing this:
[[Titania, Protector of Argoth]]
1 month ago
Cards I'd cut: Avacyn's Pilgrim, Llanowar Elves, Rattleclaw Mystic, Selvala, Explorer Returned, Mind's Eye, Artifact Mutation, Aura Mutation, Forbid, Hull Breach
Add instead: Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Exploration, Burgeoning, Future Sight, Oracle of Mul Daya, Zuran Orb, Nature's Lore, Austere Command, Return to Dust, Horn of Greed, Storm Cauldron, Realms Uncharted, Crop Rotation, Scryb Ranger, Sylvan Safekeeper
Feel free to ask if you want me to elaborate on my suggestions.
1 month ago
So, if you want some lifegain, I have a "few" suggestions :)
*Martyr of Sands - Definitely good for a quick boost of life. Especially since multi-colored cards count, you could be gaining upwards of 12 life off of this card.
*Congregate - In Commander where at least one person has a swarm of tokens, this could be very useful. Say you're in a 4 player game and everybody has at least 2 monsters. This card would get you 16 life of off that.
Now suppose that someone has pulled off an amazing 30 creature combo. From them alone you would get 60. I would definitely recommend this card.
*Swords to Plowshares - Removal? And lifegain? At instant speed? Need I say more.
*Beacon of Immortality - In Commander, this is already stupid. With your deck and the massive amount of life you can maintain for long periods, it's even stupider. It's even better if you have cards to search it (example: Mystical Tutor)
*Zuran Orb - This card is really good if you are Flooded. May not necessarily be useful for you because you wouldn't have a lot of synergy with dead lands.
*Words of Worship - If you are sitting on everything you need, you can easily exchange that card draw for 5 more life. Also, this works well with Oloro's ability as well. You can still draw while gaining even more life. Or use Words of Worship again to gain 5 life instead of drawing one with Oloro. Lots of use with this one.
*Tendrils of Agony - If you can cast a lot of spells before hand, this one can be interesting. Don't forget that laying down Zuran Orb counts as casting, so you can use this to gain a few life while getting rid of some of your opponent's. This one really depends on how often you can cast things, though. If you like casting one or two bigger things more often than lot of little things, this may not be the card for you.
*Soul Warden - This is a lot like Congregate except it takes advantage of cards as they come, not after they've already got there. It's great because you gain life when your opponents play creatures, too.
*Contemplation - Whether you cast a lot of spells each turn or a few, this card definitely helps as you go.
*Ivory Tower - With all of the card draw potential you have, you can also have life gain potential with this card. It's definitely doesn't hurt, and it can constantly give you life with no extra cost after you throw it down.
*Faith's Fetters - Suppression on an enemy creature while gaining life. Nice.
*Kokusho, the Evening Star - Nice big creature with some life gaining benefits. Either they deal with a 5/5 flyer, or the other players take an instant hit while you gain life. Once again, in a multiplayer game with 4+ people, you can be gaining 15+ life when it dies.
*Exsanguinate - If you are sitting on a decent amount of mana, this can be a hefty hit to your opponents. And, it's even better for you. This is like Kokusho in a sorcery, but it has the potential to deal more.
*Diamond Valley - Not instant gratification for life, but very nice if you aching for another hit. This is really good if you are blocking with a creature that's going to die anyway.
*Luminous Wake - If you enchant a creature your opponent controls with 4 or less attack, it pretty much renders it useless (barring other effects like double strike). If you enchant a creature you control that can't be destroyed in battle for whatever reason, you get 4 life for blocking. You could also use this to your advantage with attacking, but this deck isn't really about dishing out combat damage.
*Invincible Hymn - This card is stupid if you draw it early. In Commander, it's evens stupider. You could draw this on turn 15 and still have the potential to make your life total 84. Now, the downside is that by turn 15 your life is probably in the hundreds. I don't really recommend this card, but I thought it deserved a mention.
*Survival Cache - Life gain and card draw. Plus, you get it again next turn for no extra charge. Right up your alley.
*Ajani Goldmane - Life gain everywhere. And, he makes a Serra Avatar by the 3rd turn he's out.
*Celestial Mantle - This card can be very broken in Commander. By turn 6, it may be very hard to actually hit a player with an attack. But the payoff is amazing. If the creature also happens to have double strike, you get 4x your life total with a single swipe.
Whew. I know that was a lot of life gain recommendations, but I thought you would like to see as many as possible to mix into your deck in whatever playstyle suits you best.
2 months ago
Looks fun, lots of overlap with what I'm running in my Damia Lands deck. Some things I might recommend looking in to would be Strands of Night for instant speed reanimation at the negligible cost of a land and a little life, Crop Rotation for instant speed utility land tutoring, and Zuran Orb for emergency life gain. Entomb also gets you quick and easy Life from the Loam and Dakmor Salvage access.
Zendikar's Roil has done a lot of work for me just by quietly making nonthreatening blockers all game, but your mileage may vary.
Some utility lands you might find interesting include: Bojuka Bog, Cabal Pit, Buried Ruin (get back that Crucible when meddling kids kill it), and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for color fixins and things that care about things being swamps. Mystifying Maze, Maze of Ith, and Glacial Chasm provide fantastic survivability on their own, particularly when you've got ways of sneaking them in reactively. Worth noting that the latter two cannot tap for mana on their own without Chromatic Lantern or Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or what have you.
Other potentially useful things things off the top of my mind are Pernicious Deed and Beast Within for removal, Horn of Greed if you have card troubles, and Overwhelming Stampede and/or Pathbreaker Ibex to get in big swings late game. And Herald of Leshrac for ultimate lulz.
Finally out of curiosity, I notice you're not running Avenger of Zendikar, one of the quintessential landsy cards in EDH. Is that an intentional exclusion, or just happenstance? Either way, happy deck building!
2 months ago
2 months ago
And Fastbond is restricted, so only one copy per deck. You should put this deck in the category casual because Vintage is a competitive format and it seems you don't even know what cards are legal in this format ;)
Fastbond makes infinite mana and life with Zuran Orb and Crucible of Worlds...that's why it's restricted in vintage. it's a possible turn 1 kill and with 4 of it in a deck this would come up far too often on the starting hand.
3 months ago
Okay so after more play testing, think the deck is around 6/3 in a casual to medium setting. It's getting rather difficult to make changes as the deck feels so smooth to play, however there were some great ideas that I put in that have made great new avenues to play down.
The first, is the replacement of Scute Mob. Scute always felt like a bum-draw. It's not a bad card in this deck, and I have gotten it up to a 21/21 at one point, but with no real upside bar the 4 +1/+1s it was out of place and basically just a waste of card space. So, replacing it with a card I didn't even see when it was spoiled, otherwise it would have been involved from the start. Having played with this card twice so far in two games, Groundskeeper is fantastic. It's an easy quick and relatively cheap way to return lost forests. In the beginning it's not great but can set up a nice minor synergy with Sunstone, Zuran Orb as well as Life from the Loam's dredge results. Basically, I love it in this deck.
Secondly, one of my favorite cards from Origins (I know...) finally lost its appeal in this deck after hanging on by its fingernails from the first round of cuts/replacement. Sword of the Animist is a great card to play with but it seemed clunky and often mismatched in this deck so it bites the dust. Replacing it with another artifact seemed the best route, and digging back into an old EDH deck of mine I pulled out Smokestack. Immediately this may seem a little left field, but the ability to sack a land and get a 5/3 elemental whilst your opponents lose a permanent themselves is great. Even without Titania, Protector of Argoth in play, the deck returns lands multiple ways.
Lastly, I always seemed to have a "destroy artifact or enchantment" card in hand that seemed a little redundant in a lot of games. So, I upped the land base a little by replacing Nature's Claim with Lotus Vale. This is something I have been looking to do for a long long long time but hadn't gotten the chance due to a lack of availability on the latter card. (It's genuinely hard to fine in the UK!!) Anyway, I've dropped it once and it's a beautiful card here. Losing two basic forests to this when it comes in is easy to take, especially with the commander in play. Plus it comes in untapped and is immediately 3 mana of any colour. Turn three drop is great and has absolutely no real downside with the deck running a tonne of lands, making land drops hard to miss. Like....REALLY HARD to miss.... Either way Lotus Vale is an absolute all star already especially with the extra land drop outlets and Crucible of Worlds combo involved.
Thanks for all the suggestions, this deck is going to be my main deck going forward so expect more updates. Thanks guys!