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|Deckmasters: Garfield vs. Finkel (DKM)||Uncommon|
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|Unlimited Edition (2ED)||Uncommon|
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Icy Manipulator Discussion
2 weeks ago
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2 weeks ago
I also like Icy Manipulator both for flavor and for utility. Dark Depths might be out of your price range, but it is such a cool flavor card. also on that list is Glacial Chasm . Some more enter the battlefield creatures might be really helpful things like Eternal Witness and Hornet Queen are busted good with roon. Eon Hub does things in this deck. I have no idea if it is a good card or not for the deck, but it certainly does things.
Some cool things to think about (specifically cool for you, and very uncool for your opponents). If you can make your opponents lands snow covered all of a sudden Balduvian Conjurer and Balduvian Frostwaker make them removable with creature removal like Swords to Plowshares and Path to Exile can now remove lands. Which I guess for those specific removal cards seems pretty bad, but uh Sunscour after making all of your opponent's lands into 2/2's with the frostwaker seems pretty hilarious to me.
Altogether your list is super fun and flavorful, could it have more focus on making a specific win condition go? like Worldly Tutor to get out the Rimefeather Owl consistently? Sure, but this schema is going to be tough to break, which is why it is fun. I think you could do more board clears and more making your opponent's lands into creatures, but I think that will make your play group dislike you pretty quickly. Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper might be fun if you want to go all in on making your lands into creatures and winning that way. And with that dude, you could go with Devastation Tide and Rude Awakening . There are a bunch of things your list could be sharpened into. Hope this helps.
1 month ago
I forgot to note that Master of Waves is only forced to be declared a blocker for that creature IF ABLE. If he was somehow tapped due to paying a cost (like convoke) or another ability (like Icy Manipulator ), he would be unable to block and thus not forced to be declared as a blocker during combat.
1 month ago
Thanks for the comments everyone! Blossoming Defense is definitely going in the deck, I haven't been able to find one for some reason, guess I'll have to order it online. As for whether or not the deck can be competitive, I would agree that in a full competitive meta that this deck might have some issues, but so far in local tournaments, Skullbriar has gone undefeated (6-0) so it can at least hold its own against other fairly competitive decks. Now to the card recommendations:
-I definitely prefer Toxic Deluge to the Languish I have in the deck (I'm also working on getting a Damnation ) -I'm not a big fan of putting in Fatal Push (not running sac outlets to trigger Revolt), Beast Within (creates a blocker), or Bane of Progress (mana cost is high) -I wouldn't mind dropping Reclamation Sage for Natural State -I already have a Dismember in the deck (love that card) - Cursed Totem is going in for sure as well as Vendetta - Tangle Wire has actually been one of my favorite cards to play in the deck, I can stack the triggers at the beginning of my upkeep so that I always tap 1 less than my opponents and it can also target itself so i can tap another 1 less. This is really good at stalling the game once I have Skullbriar out so that they can't create blockers while I keep swinging every turn -Finally, while I agree that some of the hand hate and removal spells aren't the greatest, where this deck excels is the quantity of these in the deck to the point where i can consistently have my opponent top-decking and creatureless ( Icy Manipulator , Blackmail , and Despise will all probably come out as I get better cards though)
Thanks again, you guys made some really good points and I'll be buying some of those cards later today!
1 month ago
I'm not sure this deck can be cEDH, but here I go. Toxic Deluge , Natural State , Fatal Push , Dismember , Berserk , Beast Within , Bane of Progress . I'd pull Tangle Wire because it doesn't seem to be doing anything in this deck, as you want to cast your commander T2. Icy Manipulator is bad, and so is Mind Rot . I'd also pull Naturalize , Price of Fame , Blackmail , Despise , and Duress . Doom Blade is really awkward sometimes (I prefer Vendetta anyways), and I'd drop the Murder . For slowing down your opponents, I'd add Torpor Orb , Root Maze , Nether Void , No Mercy , Chalice of the Void , Grafdigger's Cage , Leyline of the Void . Maybe even Hum of the Radix . Just a point- Murderous Cut is better the more fetches you run Sorry about the long post, just really want this deck to work!
2 months ago
The core seems solid, but I do see some pretty obvious upgrades.
Lightning Strike (the card's power level simply isn't legacy playable) should be replaced with Lava Spike . It's a near-strict upgrade, as in a burn deck all you want to do is throw damage at the opponent's face anyways.
Icy Manipulator , at four mana, is wayyyyy too slow. Take it out. Do the same with Fireball , which is similar. the rate is too slow. You need 4 mana to deal three damage. There are plenty of ways to deal three for 1 mana. Now we have 5 free slots.
24 lands is too much for a burn deck. That's midrange numbers. I would just run 18 lands, probably just 18 mountains. Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle comes in tapped, which really slows you down, and Rishadan Port doesn't make colored mana, which is a huge liability in a deck filled with one-mana spells. Take out six lands (now you'll have 18 lands and 11 free slots.)
using the 11 free slots, there are two paths:
1: add another copy of chain lightning (another 1 mana deal 3 spell, what's not to like?), 4x Rift Bolt (another 3 damage for 1) 4x Price of Progress (if usually deals at least 4-6 damage), another 2 Fireblast s (if you have one copy in hand, your opponent's life is virtually reduced by 4, since once they reach 4 life you can just kill them with it). Now, you can also go down the Winter Orb s and Black Vise s for 4 Skewer the Critics and 2 Light Up the Stage . This build is probably the strongest.
2: if you want a build that's more fun, like my list, you can remove the 4 skewers for another Vise and 3 Ankh of Mishra s. At that point, you could stop, but if you wanna go all in on the artifact plan like I did, you could remove Light Up the Stage for 2 Mishra's Bauble s. Now you're playing so many artifacts that you can support Shrapnel Blast which is extremely powerful. You can go up to three copies of it for some Rift Bolt s, Lava spikes, or chain lightnings - you decide.
2 months ago
If you are looking for cards to take out, the primary cards I would look at: Martial Law - Only gets one creature, and is somewhat slow as a 4 mana do-nothing enchantment, while it can eek out value, it can also do very little Recumbent Bliss - Trading 1 for 1 with a single opponent sets you behind the other players, and I'm not sure the life gain is worth it. Ith, High Arcanist - Seems like it doesn't quite do near enough for its mana cost, and its suspend can be really slow. Like, if you have it on turn 2, great, but that may not happen often enough to be worth it. Icy Manipulator - Like martial law, but also you have to pay for it. It's by no means useless, but it's slow, it only works on thing a turn, and it might just do nothing for you. Mind's Eye - is super slow. Like, if you want to draw, lets say 5 cards, you have to invest 4 mana intially, and then 4 more mana over subsequent turns. Or, you could just cast Tidings and draw 4 cards for 5 mana. Victory Chimes - just meh. While you can dream of making cool deals for the extra mana, as someone who has played Spectral Searchlight , its mostly just a bad mana rock.
Also, just as a word of advice, one thing you need to be aware of as a control deck is that when you use removal on someone's threat, be it a counter, or other removal, it puts you at card disadvantage. With that in mind, I would advise cheaper counterspells, such as Swan Song , Arcane Denial style cards. Also, packing some more card draw would maybe not be the worst idea, instead of the group draw artifacts you have currently. That's my personal advice! Good luck :+)
4 months ago
- Freed from the Real let's you steal and destroy multiple creatures. If the creatures happen to, let's say, gain indestructible, you get to keep them.
- Swiftfoot Boots is pretty much necessary if you want to be able to do untap shenanigans.
- Cloud Cover is good if you happen to want to keep your enchantments.
- Icy Manipulator works with Winter Orb fairly well.
- Early advantage can be gained if you add in more direct removal and counters, which is basically me saying that you can get early advantage if you prevent your opponent from having a board state in the beginning.
- Your average cmc is pretty low, you have 36 lands, and you have Zur. I don't see the need for some of the mana rocks.
Icy Manipulator occurrence in decks from the last year
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