Creature — Plant Mutant
Graft 5 (This creature enters the battlefield with five +1/+1 counters on it. Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, you may move a +1/+1 counter from this creature onto it.)
Vigean Hydropon can't attack or block.
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Vigean Hydropon Discussion
2 months ago
@Altoman that Blastoderm is actually super interesting, i've never seen that card! I considered Vigean Hydropon, but I never found it that appealing without many fight mechanics in the deck. I have never tried it however so it might be worth a shot. As for Skarrgan Pit-Skulk while i would consider this in a more competitive meta, this is a little more aggressive than i'd like to go with the deck, given the casual nature of the group.
Thanks a bunch for the suggestions and for checking out the deck tho!
2 months ago
Nice deck! I always liked proliferate decks.
I suggest Vigean Hydropon. It goes really well with proliferate.
5 months ago
Hello all, I have been playing with the Oko structure deck, that I updated using Affinity For MTG's youtube video, and just bought the Simic Mutology structure deck as well as the Simic Guild Kit, as well as some booster pack cards. I'm trying to combine them into a 75 card deck, with 15 cards I know to take out for 60. Based off the cards in these 3 decks I'd like to build the deck around a constant flow of powerful monsters through the +1/+1 counters, as well as overloading on mana and drawing a lot. Some of the main points of damage right now are Oko who can just turn everything into a base 10/10 and distribute lots of +1/+1s, vorel who can double somethings counters, zegana who gives trample, galloping lizrog which can take all the +1/+1s and double them onto himself, nylea's forerunner for trample, progenitors mimic and miming slime to make clones, and wild born preserver for reach and his +1/+1s. But I also have things like coiling oracle/fathom mage to draw a lot, and gyre sage/maraleaf pixie for tons of mana. So I'd like to just find a good strategy in this mess lol.
The total card list of everything I will have is: (stuff with "x" seems important to me) Creatures: 1 Oko, the Tricksterx, 1 Vorel of the Hull Cladex, 1 Zegana, Utopian Speakerx, 1 Momir Vig, Simic Visionaryx, 2 Cloudfin Raptor, 4 Coiling Oraclex, 1 Cytoplast Root-Kin, 1 Elusive Krasis, 4 Faerie Vandalx, 1 Fathom Magex, 1 Frilled Mysticx, 1 Galloping Lizrogx, 1 Gyre Sagex, 4 Keeper of Fablesx, 3 Maraleaf Pixiex, 1 Nimbus Swimmer, 1 Nylea's Forerunnerx, 3 Paradise Druid, 2 Plaxmantax, 1 Progenitor Mimicx, 1 Protean Hulkx, 3 Spectral Sailorx, 4 Sphinx of Foresight, 2 Surveilling Sprite, 1 Trygon Predator, 2 Vigean Graftmage, 3 Vigean Hydropon, 1 Wildborn Preserverx, 2 Zameck Guildmagex,
Instants: 1 Applied Biomancyx, 1 Disdainful Strokex, 1 Gift of Strengthx, 2 Oko's Hospitalityx, 3 Optx, 1 Prying Eyes, 1 Quenchx, 1 Radical Ideax, 2 Rapid Hybridization, 1 Return of the Wildspeakerx, 1 Voidslime,
Artifacts: 2 Simic Signet,
5 months ago
poorpinkus, I just recently made a Kraj deck for the same reason, to see it grow beyond control because it was designed to choose its own evolution. Doi. I have been having the same results at the moment (alpha version of the deck) and that Kraj kicks off by turn 6 or 7: I am trying to cut that down to a turn or two sooner. One thought I had was increasing creature ramp. I saw you have a 'Transmute' card, I use that mechanic heavily in another deck (Nekusar RBU) specifically to get my combo items within the 2, 3 and 4 CMC range.
Here is my deck: Kraj-Maga Tap Dancing
You'll see about 3 or more versions of the same mechanic within the deck, especially with creatures. One of the fastest guarantee win items is the tap-to-ping creatures. Just tap once, deal damage to creature or player (must include player) and there you have it. At this point I have been considering just adding more creature ramp, transmute spells, creature tutor and counter spells.
Creature ramp is the big money money of the deck and gives you a chance to bring Kraj out sooner and as you noticed, the moment Kraj is in play it just goes off. For the creature ramp though I have been trying to stick to the 2-or-more mana per tap creatures. Gyre Sage, Gyre Engineer, Incubation Druid are great since the last two can give easier access to infinite untap andthough the Engineer will produce infinite colorless/green mana if you have a single blue untap ability ready. Ilysian Caryatid is another good option for potentially having 2 blue mana (with Kraj in play) to grant true unlimited mana for all colors. But I see you've already solved the mana conversion problem with Orochi Leafcaller and Pili-Pala (sick card for this deck).
Transmute and Tutor will get you what you need (obviously) and I've added as many ways as I can to do just that. I understand though you're using a budget to keep this deck real and some tutor spells are really pricey. Chord of Calling, Green Sun's Zenith, Birthing Pod are good but are probably out of budget, but Prime Speaker Vannifar has dropped considerably and Neoform is a similar outlet. Vannifar could be a superior solution to a Kraj deck because with a +1/+1 counter on her you could have infinite untap-access to her ability, but only in sorcery speed. Another star contender is Momir Vig, Simic Visionary but for Momir to really be effective he relies on both green and blue creature spells. A way around this is using spells that "change the text of target permanent" cards like Trait Doctoring or Whim of Volrath which also has a buyback but that already has too much work involved around a 'guest star' creature. Cool thing about Momir and Vannifar: they are both elves, so if yo have a sac outlet you can add Wirewood Herald that will tutor one of them to your hand. Transmute is also a good way around your deck, simply find your win condition creature combos by CMC and get the Transmutes you need. My deck's winning combos are almost all between 2 and 4 mana, I honestly don't think I need anything over that cost, one being Endbringer at 6 CMC because there are more tap-ping guys that cost less but honestly I am considering dropping it for another ramp creature or counter spell, granted its also a draw-card source.. On to Counter spells...
I am seeing a lot of "trample" and "unblockable" but honestly this experimental blob needs to just sit and make magic happen: no need for attackers. It is far too easy to get what you need in play and use the activated ability to achieve victory; that being said, enter the counter-turtle! Infinite mana seems to be the fastest thing I can get rolling for this guy, once that happens its a matter of time before the other shoe drops for a win, a strategy is to play safe and deny as many things as possible coming your way or in the way of a boardwipe. Rake up as many counterspells as you can, especially the 'split second' ones like Last Word. Another route for spells is kicker, multikicker and strive since mana 'ain't no thang' to Kraj.
All other spells or abilities that give more +1/+1 counters and such I feel are wasted placement cards because once Kraj gets untapping things get out of hand immediately. But, Grafting is definitely the way to at least get that started so it can save you a step if you're looking for the budget route. For example, Doubling Season: sweet card but we don't make tokens and all I need is one +1/+1 counter, not double. But, I do have Vigean Hydropon to distribute +1/+1 counters to my homies entering the battlefield. In several cases the 'Graft' option can work with Momir Vig if he's in play since some are blue/green creatures.
These are all really just ideas and options I've seen work for me but I'm also bouncing them to get feedback and find that chunk of fat that can be trimmed to make a leaner and meaner Experiment Kraj deck. Essentially all my cards involve the greatest of the greatest that I am assuming I have infinite mana, untaps, etc. instead of the 'once per turn'. I want everything, all the time and without end. Good ol' "Nah brah thanks, I'm here to break the game not have tea" attitude.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for reading the great wall-o-text!
1 year ago
I suggest Vigean Hydropon so you make sure your creatures get a +1/+1 counter and it will always target five creatures. (More if you proliferate it)
Also a good old Blastoderm always do the trick to mess up your opponent. Apparently, proliferate is not a 'Target' ability so you can make Blastoderm stay on the battlefiled longer by adding time counters.
1 year ago
Now, my spellbook?
Forced Adaptation : through my time as a magic player, I have been... well, forced to adapt. For my first several years, the only people I had to play with were markedly wealthier than I and knew more about the game, having played with players of a level I did not have access to. I had to get tricky to stand a chance, and tricky I got! Not only that, but counters is one of my favorite archetypes to play, and I have built many a variant over the years (I think 5-8 just on my account), as you’ll see is consistent with several strategies down the line.
Meren of Clan Nel Toth : I tried to four or five different aristocrat decks, which I likely put together and took apart a total of a dozen times or more. Aristocrats is another favorite of mine, though I’ve brewed comparatively few. The one that remains? My Meren brew. She has served me well- so well, in fact, that outside of competitive settings I no longer play her.
Bloodhall Priest : I still remember the day that I laid eyes on a madness deck the first time and thought “being empty-handed can be a good thing?”, and something just connected. I don’t have my madness deck anymore, I sent it to a new player that I got into the game. Hope she’s enjoying it.
Roon of the Hidden Realm : bounce is another one of my favorite strategies, and I’ve never seen a commander who does it like Roon. Who’s got the boons to make you swoon? It’s Roon. It’s Roon.
Vigean Hydropon : represents my current +1 counter deck: my two-headed giant variant. I LOVE this brew, and no one sees the grafts coming.
Zurgo Helmsmasher : represents my current politics deck. Like a couple other strategies, I have thrown everything at the wall to see what sticks with this, and my current edition I call “Zurgo Backswing”, lovingly nicknamed “swing bitch, I dare ya”. I suspect it may be fairly similar to your Queen Marchesa deck, ShutUpMokuba.
Jace, Memory Adept : mill is an archetype near and dear to my heart. My second deck was a mill, and it was terrible, but I knew that one day I would finally mill someone out- that eventually my work would be completed. Well, nowadays I have no mill deck, but I think I might brew one in 2hg- mix in a little pillow fort...
Sygg, River Cutthroat : and finally, one of my favorite commanders ever. This deck is truly a thing of beauty. She has draw for days, removal, spelljack, mill, everything a blue/black player could ask for. I love her dearly.
1 year ago
What do you think of this combo:
- Any creature with 3 +1/+1 counters.
- Galloping Lizrog x3.
- Win on upkeep.
A mere 17 mana combo! And with Alchemist's Refuge , you can do it at instant speed! If you feel like this Hearthstone-level of BS-ery is acceptable in your games, I think it'd be the most exciting way to play into the Ascendancy win-con. Just play pure defense until then, foggy creatures, tokens, counterspells, etc.
Since your playgroup probably wouldn't appreciate that combo, however, you can focus on chaining Lizrogs for a few turns and protecting Ascendancy. The game plan then simplifies to:
- Stick creatures that contest the board. Use them as soft removal with Clear Shot and Mutant's Prey type effects.
- Draw your deck to find 3 Galloping Lizrog .
- Play the Lizrogs for an inevitable doom-parade of mutants. Hopefully they will be threatening enough to prevent your opponent from dealing with the Ascendancy itself.
- Curator's Ward might be overkill for protecting Simic Ascendancy , you have Turn Aside already which is probably better. Feels more interactive too, I think.
My only other suggestions would be Master Biomancer , Fathom Mage and Zameck Guildmage (or Combine Guildmage , but Zameck is better I think) if you want a slower build-up. Vigean Hydropon maybe? And Novijen, Heart of Progress seems like an easy include. I like your idea behind Hadana's Climb Flip, but to me that leans towards Ascendancy as the secondary win-con, not primary.
1 year ago
Hi everyone! I've recently started playing Magic again, after 12 years of break. My Trusty old Simic gathered a lot of dust, so I started to rebuild it using what I managed to get fast (and cheap). I wonder if it's any good and if anyone could provide any constructive feedback on what I should still change in it. I would greatly appreciete that. The card list is as below:
4x Thrummingbird 1x Vigean Hydropon 3x Trygon Predator 3x Plaxcaster Frogling 1x Vigean Graftmage 2x Vorel of the Hull Clade 2x Skyrider Patrol 3x Cytoplast Manipulator 1x Simic Ragworm 1x Cytoplast Root-Kin 1x Momir Vig, Simic Visionary 1x Experiment Kraj
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