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Prime Speaker Vannifar
Legendary Creature — Elf Ooze Wizard
, Sacrifice another creature: Search your library for a creature card with converted mana cost equal to 1 plus the sacrificed creature's converted mana cost, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. Activate this ability only at any time you could cast a sorcery.
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Prime Speaker Vannifar Discussion
14 hours ago
I honestly tend to find Bottle Gnomes pretty relevant, as I often lose a lot of life, but I suppose I'm playing enough tutors now to where I can just grab Zulaport Cutthroat or something if that's really such a concern--I suppose I can cut him, though I will miss him.
I'm still kinda on edge about cutting Black Market --my meta is still fairly casual, but I have, in fact, won before with Exsanguinate thanks to all the mana from Black Market against a fairly competitive (but by no means optimized) Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck (and some other peeps). I might find something else to cut for Pitiless Plunderer , but I'd rather not have to choose between both of them. (Also, something worth considering is that Black Market is harder to remove than Pitiless Plunderer , though they'd need exile effects or something in any case).
As for Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood , getting 10 mana isn't a problem for me, but I get what you're saying--it's not exactly the fastest combo available, and my deck probably doesn't slow the game down enough to make it competitively viable. All the same, there's just not that many better mono-black combos.
As for running more tutors and stax effects, well, for one, I actually still want this list to be playable in my meta (it's approaching a point where it's just too cancerous relatively to what the majority of everyone else is playing, believe it or not), so adding Trinisphere and Static Orb and the like would be very unsubtle and super cutthroat (though, yes, that's exactly what would make the deck more competitive, I understand that). Secondly, the list is getting pretty tight, yet again, so I'd probably have to cut some Shirei synergy for that sort of thing, which would probably be worth it, but would make me feel that much more soulless, honestly. Can never seem to strike that balance between not playing a whole bunch of staples and having a synergetic build...
Thirdly, while they'd absolutely be worth it, I'm not playing more tutors simply due to budget considerations. I know that might sound pretty laughable considering the deck costs $830 dollars, but it's the only list I have that I own in paper (well, most of it--waiting for more cards to arrive, as I keep cutting stuff), but I've been building it up over the course of 3-4 years. Budget is no object in cEDH, I know, but it is for me--the most expensive card in the deck is about $75. Spending $100 on a card isn't something I really want to do. I might find something to cut for Cruel Tutor , though (bad as it is).
As it stands, I think Liliana's Shade and Bottle Gnomes are out and Skittering Surveyor and Scroll Rack are in. A marginal improvement--still not good enough, though, you're right. If only I could run Land Tax + Scroll Rack ...
(Oh, and, on a completely unrelated note, this might already be a thing, but I was wondering if anyone had figured out a way to combo out with Timestream Navigator in a Prime Speaker Vannifar list. All you'd need is a 1-drop that recurs itself to either your hand or the battlefield, and, so long as you had enough mana and the city's blessing, you could take infinite turns. That might actually be a viable combo in cEDH).
18 hours ago
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Updates for Ravnica Allegiance! But first:
It's unfortunately become necessary to implement some changes to increase the quality of discussion on this page, which has been rife with personal attacks and uncharitable debate. We've banned the most egregious offenders from posting here, and have sent warnings to others that need a reminder to keep discussion high-quality and civil.
Making it very clear: personal attacks will not be tolerated. Treat others' opinions with charity. Treat your own opinion with humility.
Overall, a lot of the card analysis (often especially from confident posters) is often misguided or inaccurate, so please take what you read in the comment section with a grain of salt. Apologies to anyone negatively impacted by other commenters; please get in touch with the maintainers of the list if you have further concerns.
Changes: (Remember - these are early placements and may change with more development)
Judith, the Scourge Diva added to Mid Power
Lavinia, Azorius Renegade added to High Power
Nikya of the Old Ways added to Mid Power
Prime Speaker Vannifar added to High Power (*)
Rakdos, the Showstopper added to Mid Power
Teysa Karlov added to Mid Power
The Haunt of Hightower added to Mid Power
Zegana, Utopian Speaker added to Mid Power
Xantcha, Sleeper Agent moved to High Power, with plans to evaluate potential placement into Competitive.
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 16 | 7 COMMENTS | 2559 VIEWS | IN 12 FOLDERS
Yeva, Nature's Herald moved to High Power.
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 80 | 44 COMMENTS | 4059 VIEWS | IN 22 FOLDERS
(*) A note on Vannifar: Vannifar has caused a lot of excitement in the Competitive community, but the decklists and lines that have emerged so far seem to be below the threshold we would be comfortable considering Competitive. We plan to keep a close eye on this high-potential commander and will move it to Competitive if and when a suitable decklist has emerged.
4 days ago
n0bunga also, I am glad we got that all cleared up. It is a powerful effect on a land, but doesn't have good utility outside of some 1-4 decks, of which Gitrog is the tier 1 list that can use it, Prossh at tier 2, and Muldrotha/Windgrace at tier 3. That is about it that I could argue should run the Beacon, and Prossh runs it as a flex slot. Soren841 just has a different definition of 'good' or 'bad' cards than you. I don't know I am comfortable defining those terms at all.
I think a card like Dosan the Falling Leaf is good, but it is a worse Grand Abolisher in a color with all-stars like Autumn's Veil or the super-interesting rules-implications of City of Solitude , but in Sisay it can be a great fetchable target. Same in Prime Speaker Vannifar or even some Yisan lists, while many don't run it due to it's reliance on instant-speed interaction, despite most being ability based.
But, with such few inclusions, is it a bad card? It isn't a staple, but because of its use at all in cEDH, in comparison to cards like Lava Spike , staples in formats like modern, I could easily argue it to be a good EDH card. Command Beacon I find falls into the category of Dosan, not a staple, useful in a few decks in EDH, but not at all in other formats, for more obvious reasons nonetheless.
I think this makes it pretty meh, but a card that should always be kept in mind for land-based EDH decks and decks that plan to recast commanders.
6 days ago
TheSimikBOat Maybe it's worth running eldritch evolution just because of how good it is. Not a huge amount but maybe cut a Prime Speaker Vannifar for 1 because she is legendary. Also, an Ezuri, Renegade Leader or some other game-winning mana sink such as Craterhoof Behemoth could be useful as I can really see any good mana sinks other than Duskwatch Recruiter Flip.
I thought you were supposed to review the deck the person above you has posted, it clearly says so in the description. I've been looking at the recent posts and the last person to actually review (there are some people who might have been talking about the deck above them but it hardly counts as a review) the deck above them was StoryArcher on December 15th. The whole point of this forum is, you post a deck knowing that someone looks at and reviews it and in return, you look at and review someone else's. Anyway, let's hope this happens from now on.
6 days ago
Here is the ruling for Vedalken Orrey (source:scryfall): This applies only to casting spells. It does not, for example, change when you may activate abilities that can only be activated “any time you could cast a sorcery”. (2010-06-15)
1 week ago
Loving the deck! I’m actually working on a list of my own and found a lot of inspiration and cool cards in your decklist. My list is a budget cEDH deck ($400-450) and uses some different combos that you might want to try.
First combo (main wincon)
Pod away spellseeker to find Fatestitcher .
Pod away fatestitcher to find Disciple of the Ring . Use Disciple to untap vannifar by exiling an instant or sorcery from the graveyard.
Pod away the disciple to find Deadeye Navigator . Soulbond to any creature (the soulbond doesn’t matter just yet).
Soulbond peregrine drake to deadeye navigator and repeatedly blink the drake to generate infinite mana
Cast Pull from Tomorrow and draw your deck, then discard a land.
Cast Walking Ballista for an absurd amount of mana and win the game
Another wincon used with this specific combo is, once you have infinite mana, playing Laboratory Maniac and then casting Blue Sun's Zenith to draw a card. You can also use blue suns zenith to mill your opponent in 1v1, if you like to do that :) this combo usually can get online in turns 3-5, especially with a good start of a mana dork into an untapper and getting vannifar our turn 3.
The second main combo in my deck involves chaining untappers and podding them away until we reach Protean Hulk , but it’s a bit too complicated to type out all the way right now ;) I’ll probably have the decklist up soon enough so you can check it out then if you’d like. Just thought this combo was fun and fast enough to tell you about, and it doesn’t take too long to pull it off time-wise if you know what you’re doing, which makes it less miserable for the table.
Thanks for sharing your list!