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Akroma's Vengeance Discussion
4 weeks ago
In re Anguished Unmaking : I think it depends on your meta. If you need to be policing a wide range of "must answer" threats (value engine pieces; voltron pieces; combo/recursion pieces that are threatening to take over or end the game), it might be worth including as nothing is as flexible at instant speed save for Assassin's Trophy . I still like trying to keep the CMC on my interaction suite down to 1-2 CMC, since the deck is so mana hungry. My heavy tutor package can allow for a smaller suite of narrower answers in a pinch, but I'd almost rather try, for your list, testing with Abrupt Decay and Despark alongside Assassin's Trophy , instead of Anguished Unmaking . My list is a little greedy/more focused on facing opposing creature-based strategies, as a lot of the interaction/removal is stapled to a Dragon and only can hit creatures, but really I think it comes down to both decks needing a LOT of mana/to tap out on our turn to function on curve (hence prioritizing the most cheap and efficient removal is key).
I'm also looking at putting in one more expensive blow-out sweeper for games where I know I'll be behind and likely am sandbagging; probably something like Akroma's Vengeance , which can at least cycle if it is dead in hand. But that's more for pods where we're playing at 75% or lower.
In place of some of the more expensive tutors, since we're not a combo deck and blue is a splash color, I would look first to Lim-Dul's Vault , then to cheaper tutors like Scheming Symmetry , Eladamri's Call , Diabolic Intent , Dimir Machinations , Beseech the Queen , Praetor's Grasp , or Muddle the Mixture , which are all $10 or less.
1 month ago
1 month ago
I would cut these cards for more Tutors, Clones, Draws, Counters and Mana Rocks. You are aiming to be a combo deck, but has a few value cards in there that doesn't really fit the idea or simply go in an opposing direction.
As a combo deck, you need to be able to dig your library for the combo pieces and answers. Creature Clones with Felidar offer another way of comboing with Knight and Altar that doesn't need Aminatou, while also being generally useful.
Call for Unity
-> Doesn't help your game plan
Future Sight -> 5 mana is a lot, UUU is a lot and you can't abuse this
Scheming Symmetry -> if anyone answers your tutored card, you just gave a free tutor to an opponent
Rite of Replication -> Clone tokens can't combo with Felidar
Finale of Revelation -> Sorcery, you probably won't be paying x=10+
Akroma's Vengeance -> 6 mana for a wipe with no extra is too much, even more so considering you like your mana rocks.
Ashiok, Dream Render -> not having flash hurts this a LOT, while also making you a target for the rest of the table.
Tidehollow Sculler -> discard isn't that great on multiplayer and can't be abused by your usual flickers
Thalia's Lancers -> Too slow for a tutor, few impactful targets
Sphinx of Uthuun -> Flickering this is nice, high CMC isn't
Oona, Queen of the Fae -> Not very useful unless you have infinite mana, which you won't be having most of the time
Cavalier of Gales -> UUU is heavy, payoff is OK
Agent of Treachery -> high CMC
Reliquary Tower -> You don't really need this effect
Eldrazi Displacer -> You have 5 cards that generate Colorless and little ways of tutoring them, will be useless in quite a few matches. Of those 5, 4 are lands, so your chance of comboing with Peregrine Drake are even lower. The card is really strong, I wouldn't cut him, but I would adjust your manabase to have more Colorless sources. The panoramas for example are nice ways of having Colorless sources while still being able to fetch your colored lands.
2 months ago
Commenting here rather than on your page.
I don't mean to sound so overbearingly critical, but your deck is overall lacking in substantial board presence. Oathbreaker is a format in which you want to protect your Planeswalker at all viable costs. You have four creatures. That does not make for a very strong base. I'm going to rip into this deck, but I am also going to offer you suggestions on how to greatly improve upon it :) I hope that you don't take offense to anything I am saying, but I felt like I can do you some good here.
Next, I notice that a lot of your lands are either bounce lands or lands in which you can sacrifice them to get an additional mana for that turn. I am concerned with this style of play, because the bounce lands sort of equal out to the same amount of mana for the turn, and in some cases don't even move you ahead. Sacrifice the lands for extra mana sets you back. Allow me to explain:
- T3: You have two lands out. You tap both to add to your pool, then play Boros Garrison . The rest of the turn doesn't matter, we are merely focusing on land presence and mana potential.
- T4: You replay the land you just bounced last turn. Now you have a total of three lands that can produce a total of 4 mana.
The issue here is that you set yourself back on tempo on T3 to become caught up on T4. Rather than producing 3 mana on T3, you only produced 2; And for your efforts on T3, you are no better off on T4 than if you had just played a basic land.
Dormant Volcano and Karoo are even worse, because you have 16 of your 26 lands that contain specific subtypes, each one only being represented on 10 Plains and 8 Mountains. So if you have a Dormant Volcano in your hand but you don't have any lands with Mountain as their subtype, you literally can not play it. Even worse, it has to be an untapped land you return AND it still enters the battlefield tapped. So not only do you lose a land, you don't even get the mana from it and it's highly more restrictive than Boros Garrison .
Additionally, Temple of the False God literally does you no good if you get it out before you have five total lands. Shrine of the Forsaken Gods is better absolutely all around because at least it produces you something.
Now we need to discuss your "pay-to-play" lands; Crystal Vein , Dwarven Ruins & Ruins of Trokair . The issue here is that you may have immediate access to ramp, but you trade that for immediate downfall as you slip farther and farther behind because you no longer have lands on the battlefield. These cards should never go in any deck that doesn't have some means to return them, such as Crucible of Worlds / Ramunap Excavator or Wrenn and Six .
Dwarven Ruins and Ruins of Trokair for Heart of Ramos and Tooth of Ramos . This is because on T3 you can play your 3rd land and play an artifact to ramp with. On T4 when you play your fourth land, you now have 5 mana available and therefore are in ramp mode. You can also sac the artifact to generate another mana if need be, and it won't hurt your land base. These are under appreciated artifacts, and to be honest you don't need 26 lands in a 58 card deck. Yes, 58. Ajani and Mudhole are outside of your library.
Dormant Volcano and Karoo for Boros Signet and Boros Cluestone . Signet gets you two mana for the cost of one (Tapping two permanents equals out to 1 mana per permanent, but now you get one of each color) and Cluestone gets you one of any color, but also gives you draw options if you need it later on.
This sets you down to 22 lands, which in all of my playing of Oathrbeaker is ideal. This also increases your stones up from 4 into ~6. We will be working on this in a moment.
I get it, you want to blow up lands so your opponent can't play the game. But do you need 10 cards that do that? 11 with Ajani?
Cut out the following, for their listed reasons:
As mentioned before, you want more artifacts that produce mana. You currently have the following:
Now we still have four card slots open from before. We are sitting now at a total of six stones. We want eight. We will use two slots to add the following:
We now have 22 lands and 8 stones. 30 mana producing cards in a 58 card deck. This means you will SERIOUSLY ramp in Boros.
- Faithless Looting : Because it can be played twice, due to Flashback
- Dawn of Hope : Another 2 CMC permanent that can be used in conjunction with Ajani Vengeant 's -2 for card draw on non-specific colors of mana. Then you can also use it to create tokens with self-fulfilling conditions since they have lifelink. This means you don't have to rely on Ajani going down, and you can still progress the boardstate.
As for a win condition outside of Form of the Dragon , there is also Martial Coup . Since you are snuffing out all of your opponent's lands anyway, as well as their creatures, why not create a literal army of tokens that now stand unopposed?
You may also want to consider replacing Mudhole with something more viable. Perhaps Lightning Helix ? It burns and gets you life. Acts as another win condition, makes it harder for your opponent to win in the process as your life totals grow farther and farther apart, and plays nicely with the aforementioned Dawn of Hope .
This took me like 40 minutes, so I hope it helps.
3 months ago
3 months ago
As for enabling your frostwaker there is Fyndhorn Brownie , Magewright's Stone , Niblis of the Breath , Puppeteer , and Puppet Strings . some of those are bound to be inexpensive, and adding in a handful of boardwipes and enablers for that strategy would lend itself to doing that strategy more often.
4 months ago
no Reya Dawnbringer ? I know she cost alot, but it is graveyard recursion each turn. Also Archangel of Thune puts in alot of work and quickly closes out games. Akroma's Vengeance is a decent wipe that can be used to draw a card in a pinch.
other than that, I love your deck and would love your thoughts on my deck Dawn of the Angels
4 months ago
PlatinumOne: Wow, you're so right! If only Elspeth were in colors that were good at dealing with enemy creatures. Like if she shared a color with Path to Exile or Swords to Plowshares or Wrath of God or Day of Judgment or Fumigate or Akroma's Vengeance or Austere Command or Terminus or... need I go on?
You're counting on having creatures to attack with, and then counting on them being evasive enough to get around her blockers, AND counting on them being hasty enough to get in good hits before she minuses to kill them/casts any one of white's infinite wraths. Turn five Fumigate -> turn six Elspeth is going to make that very, very hard.
Your playgroup isn't a good comparison for the health of the format overall. Sure, your meta might have the tools to deal with a planeswalker commander. Others won't. The argument is that overall, having access to cards as powerful as walkers repeatedly, without recourse to end the threat permanently, is dangerous. The point isn't that there are no possible answers to planeswalkers - the point is that planeswalkers as commanders warps the meta in unhealthy ways, to the point where decks unable to consistently, not just once or twice, but every time, answer a walker will not really be viable anymore.
Akroma's Vengeance occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.02%