Commander Legends Spoilers

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Posted on Aug. 22, 2020, 10:30 p.m. by Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor

I haven't seen any posts about this yet, but we just got our first bit of spoilers for Commander Legends and things look spicy so far. Generic partner is back with 41 new partners (not sure how I feel about that) and we finally get cards for Baron Sengir, and Halana & Alena which is awesome.

I am also pretty stoked to see the Battlebond land cycle completed

Lastly, WotC is finally addressing White's ramp deficiency in the correct way IMO with Keeper of Accord.

Let the discussion begin!

SynergyBuild says... #2

Keeper is busted. Just saying, right now, any land deck that can run white needs it. Sylvan Safekeeper or any other sacrifice outlet and you will run out of basics, it's busted, Splendid Reclamation and it's a win. It's like Burgeoning met Land Tax and it's stupid good. Any token aristocrats deck like Elenda, the Dusk Rose gets an easy sacrifice per opponent's turn that has more than a few creatures, as you just sacrifice all the tokens to a Carrion Feeder or whatever and get right back to where you need it.

Better than Oracle of Mul Daya easily. Card advantage? Check. Mana advantage? Maybe not, but mana parity no matter how you abuse it.

New partners are scary. Hope they reprint the old ones for price concerns!

August 22, 2020 10:54 p.m.

Ehh, I am not as bullish on Keeper as you, but it still is solid. While sac'ing a land to get more landfall triggers sounds good in theory, I am not so sure it is that great in practice. Lands/Landfall decks outside of The Gitrog Monster (whom would be the best home for that kind strategy, but can't play Keeper) win games through sheer mana advantage. Losing your mana advantage for a couple landfall triggers seems pretty bad. Maybe late game it becomes more powerful, but at that point I just want to be casting Scapeshift or sac'ing all my lands to Titania, Protector of Argoth.

The aristocrats idea is likely the route to go, but still not that busted. Ophiomancer has been around for years, and while it is a very strong card, it is not busted.

Keeper is definitely strong and a fantastic addition to white, but it's not crazy.

I agree with the apprehension around generic partners as it is easy to accidentally make a busted one. Still though, I've always liked the idea of partners.

August 23, 2020 12:52 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #4

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor I mean, while yes, Ophiomancer has existed for a while, I don't think it is a bad card by any stretch, and assuming that white got a worse version of it, that happens to be able to make more tokens, but also is more finicky as to when, that also let's you have as much lands as any other player, like Land Tax, but can get you more than one land per turn?

I'd be happy with that, I'd be very happy with that.

I think any white deck needs to ask themself if they can afford to not run this card in their deck. Control lists that don't play many creatures can swarm now, decks with high artifact or dork ramp can flood with lands too, at effectively no cost. Unlike Ophiomancer, it doesn't care if you got a few out, as long as someone has more. Land Tax makes you spend your land drop on it, and while I wouldn't say cards in hand or deathtouch aren't better, I'd say that this certainly isn't a worse version, just a little different.

Also it's down to opinion, that's fair, just looking at it I am satisfied however for the white card that does a whole lot.

Also frick is Skullclamp busted with it. Not far from like 4 cards a turn and ramp xD

August 23, 2020 1:42 a.m.

I’m hoping for a couple more ocean creatures, maybe a haunted vase or something, and some sort of white natural disaster (maybe something involving chasms or whatever). No more blue “tap a creature” rain storms please! :D

August 23, 2020 11:10 a.m.

Coward_Token says... #6

Oath of Lieges + Keeper, you control the triggers so you're allowed to stack the Oath first

August 23, 2020 5:51 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #7

Maybe it's tempting fate but I'm not super worried about new partners since they seem to have been designed with a Limited power level in mind. Kinda disappointing really that Sengir doesn't get a Constructed-playable card

Prismatic Piper is amazingly dorky, I love it

August 23, 2020 5:59 p.m.

shadow63 says... #8

I'm really hoping they make all the new.partner commanders weak.

August 23, 2020 8:26 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #9

I definitely like that new incarnation of Baron Sengir, and the completion of the "bond land" cycle is also very nice; those lands are far too situational for me to ever use them, but I know that many players have been desiring such lands. Hopefully, Zendikar Rising shall complete the cycle of "battle lands."

Keeper of the Accord is very nice, and I definitely shall put a copy of it in ever EDH that I build in the future that contains white, presuming that it shall not be too expensive.

As for reprints, I still am hoping for reprints of Akroma's Memorial, Vedalken Orrery, Dromar, the Banisher, Chromatic Lantern, Arcane Signet, Meteor Crater, Reflecting Pool, and many more, which I shall mention as I remember them. WotC has promised that they would reprint the fetchlands this year, so I imagine that this product shall be the product that contains them, since they are unlikely to ever again reprint them in a standard-legal set.

Given that spoilers for Zendikar Rising start next week, I imagine that there shall not be any more spoilers for this set until after the spoilers for that set are finished, but I am pleased with what has been revealed, this far.

August 24, 2020 6:03 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #10

shadow63, why do you hope for that?

August 24, 2020 6:54 p.m.

shadow63 says... #11

Partner commanders are over powered

August 24, 2020 7:04 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #12

shadow63, that makes sense.

August 24, 2020 8:10 p.m.

SynergyBuild - I hope you didn't misconstrue my reservations as that I don't like Keeper. I think the card is fantastic. I just have trouble calling it the new Oracle of Mul Daya before seeing it played. I think it will end up being one tier below Oracle, which is still pretty good.

DemonDragonJ - Unfortunately fetches won't be in Commander Legends unless they break tradition and make 2 rare land cycles. I guess they could be at mythic, but I find that unlikely. So that means fetches will probably be in another premium yay.

Coward_Token - While I agree that the focus on drafting this set will keep most partners relatively low power, it is super easy to accidentally create a new generic partner that is busted with an already existing partner

August 25, 2020 2:48 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #14

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor for mana purposes sure, it's worse, but with a better body and token generation, I think it's amazing.

August 25, 2020 3:18 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #15

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor, there was a full cycle of ten dual lands in Double Masters, so there is no reason to think that there shall not be a full cycle in this set, as well.

August 25, 2020 10:15 p.m.

DemonDragonJ - That would mean we should be getting the rest of the Battlebond lands (which are in need of reprints anyways), not the Fetchlands. I like the optimism that we could get both Fetches and the new Battlebond lands in the same set, but I doubt we should be so lucky.

And I didn't realize this until PleasantKenobi pointed it out today, WotC specifically said we would get "stylized versions of fetch lands later this year". To me, that sounds like any fetch reprints are going to be a part of premium product.

August 25, 2020 11:41 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #17

I do hope to see Book of Rass and Righteous Aura in this set, because they are both excellent cards for EDH that very much need reprints, and Sol'kanar the Swamp King, Shepherd of the Lost, and Carnage Altar would all be very nice, as well.

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor, WotC did print a Secret Lair that contained the enemy-colored fetchlands, but I am fairly certain that they said that there would be another reprinting of them, this year, as well. Can anyone here confirm if WotC actually said that?

August 26, 2020 4:45 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #18

I also would like to see Godsire, Cromat, Uril, the Miststalker and Meglonoth reprinted, since none of those cards have ever been reprinted.

August 26, 2020 5:25 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #19

DemonDragonJ I'll be honest, I never got why people liked Godsire, but with a pricetag like that, clearly people do.

And ilu for mentioning my Cromat xD

August 26, 2020 5:29 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #20

SynergyBuild, I cannot speak for everyone, but I like that creature because it can create a duplicate of itself every turn for free.

As for Cromat, that creature has never been reprinted, so I am certain that it would look great in the new card frame.

August 26, 2020 7:17 p.m.

shadow63 says... #21

I'd like some new 4 color legends and some non wubrg legendary slivers

August 26, 2020 9:26 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #22

shadow63 I want a colorless one, seems interesting.

August 26, 2020 10:04 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #23

I forgot to mention that both Cabal Coffers and Imperial Seal were cards that many players were hoping to see in Double masters, so they were very disappointed that those cards were not in that set, so such cards would be awesome in this set.

Rhystic Study was recently reprinted (finally!), so it very likely shall not be in this set, which is very unfortunate, since that reprint did not lower its price, by a significant amount.

Natural Order would be very nice for this set, as would Hunting Grounds and Aura Shards; also, while they are not in high demand, I would like to see both Prince of Thralls and Empyrial Archangel reprinted, as well, because they are both awesome creatures.

Inferno has not been reprinted in a long time, so I would like to see it, again, preferably with new artwork. Also, while both Mirari's Wake and Privileged Position have been reprinted, they are still expensive, so additional reprints of those cards would be very nice.

August 27, 2020 9:56 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #24

The bringers from Fifth Dawn have never been reprinted, so I think that they would be great for this set.

August 27, 2020 11:01 p.m.

DemonDragonJ - sorry for the late reply. Here is the article I was referring to earlier:

This is the article that started the great hope for fetchland reprints this year. But the wording underneath the art for Verdant Catacombs (which I missed myself) makes me believe either we will get the rest in another Secret Lair drop, or in some other premium product.

August 30, 2020 10:52 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #26

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor, what qualifies as a "premium" product? Something such as Double Masters or Commander Legends?

August 30, 2020 1:16 p.m.

I believe that the definition of "premium product" is a bit subjective, but usually the size of the print run and price are the two determining factors. So all Secret Lairs, Spell Books, and Collector's Boosters are considered premium products. I'd also lump Masters sets into that as well since they cost far more than your average booster and generally have smaller print runs. It gets a bit iffy when you start considering sets like Modern Horizons, Battlebond, Jumpstart (under non-pandemic conditions), and Commander Legends. I personally wouldn't consider those sets premium products since they are similar in cost and print size as your normal booster set. But others may disagree with my labeling.

August 30, 2020 1:32 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #28

Rings of Brighthearth are extremely expensive due to having never been reprinted, so they definitely deserve a reprint, in this set.

September 7, 2020 6:58 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #29

I also hope that WotC finally prints the black/white legendary angel from Innistrad in this set, since this is not only the best, but likely the only, place in which she could be printed.

September 8, 2020 4:55 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #30

Have I yet mentioned Balefire Liege and Deathbringer Liege? I definitely believe that both of those cards could use reprints in this set.

September 12, 2020 12:39 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #31

Greater Auramancy has never been reprinted, so it definitely deserves a reprint in this set, and WotC may as well reprint both Enchanted Evening and Opalescence at the same time (I know that Starfield of Nyx is superior to Opalescence in the majority of situations, but a reprint of the older card would still be nice).

September 13, 2020 9:58 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #32

Aura Shards would be another nice card to have in this set, since it has become expensive, recently.

September 20, 2020 10:23 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #33

Smothering Tithe, Training Grounds, and Dockside Extortionist could also use reprints, since they have all become very expensive.

I, myself, have no particular fondness for the talismans (Talisman of Impulse, Talisman of Dominance, and so forth), but I know that some players are fond of them, so I would like to see the allied-colored talismans reprinted, with new artwork and flavor text, to make them consistent with the enemy-colored talismans from Modern Horizons.

Of the first five ultimatums, only Cruel Ultimatum and Titanic Ultimatum have been reprinted, so I would like to see the other three reprinted in this set, as well.

Homeward Path has not been reprinted in some time, so I would like to see it reprinted, again, to keep its price low.

September 24, 2020 11:10 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #34

I also would like to see both Phyrexian Tyranny and Ertai, the Corrupted reprinted in this set, since I think that they would both look great in the new card frame style.

October 4, 2020 9:15 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #35

Neither Ashes to Ashes nor Dust to Dust are on the reserved list, so I would like to see both of them reprinted in this set.

A new version of both Crovax and Selenia would also be nice, and it would also be nice to see cards for Ashnod and Gix, since neither of them have yet had a proper creature card (although they have both been portrayed as Vanguard avatars).

October 7, 2020 8:07 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #36

Seedborn Muse and Windborn Muse have each been reprinted a sufficient number of times, but the other three muses, Dreamborn Muse, Graveborn Muse, and Lavaborn Muse, have not been reprinted in some time, so I would like to see them reprinted in this set, as well.

October 9, 2020 7:15 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #37

Apparently, there shall be a new version of Kamahl in this set, which is very awesome, and I hope that that depiction of him is both red and green.

October 9, 2020 11:56 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #38

Probably not going to happen now but I'd like to eventually get some version of Tombstone Stairwell without the cumulative cost, it's so funny even if it's prone to blowing up in your face

October 11, 2020 8:24 a.m.

Coward_Token says... #39

Pretty much this, less bookkeeping and ridiculous without losing too much of the chaos: Tombstone Stairwell_alt

October 11, 2020 9:07 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #40

Thought Vessel is still more expensive than I feel that it should be, so I would like to see it reprinted in this set, as well.

As for new cards, I would like to see new cards that use Phyrexian mana of the transfigure mechanic, since I feel that there is still much unexplored space with those mechanics, and this set shall not be standard-legal, so the storm scale does not apply to it.

October 11, 2020 9:26 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #41

This set should include the green card that finished the magus megacycle, so would anyone like to guess what it may be?

I personally would like to see a "magus of the Channel," but Eureka is another good choice.

October 11, 2020 9:36 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #42

I do not wish to overwhelm this thread, but I just checked the prices for Parallel Lives and Anointed Procession and discovered that they are very expensive, so I hope that they are reprinted in this set (especially since I am considering make an EDH deck with Ghired, Conclave Exile as the general).

October 11, 2020 10:08 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #43

There have been some leaks, today, but I shall not provide links to them, since that is not allowed, but I can still mention them, here.

The new version of Jeska is nice, but why is she mono-red? She shifted to black as Phage the Untouchable, and then was all fives colors when she merged with Akroma to form Karona, False God, so I feel that she should have had an additional color. Also, given her prominent status in the story and fame among the fans, I find her card to be slightly underwhelming especially considering that she is useless outside of EDH format.

It is nice to finally have a card of Tevesh Szat, and he does not disappoint, given how important he is to the story, expect that I feel that his final ability is extremely overpowered, but at least I can take comfort from the idea that he will instantly be a target for all opponents, and is also useless outside of EDH format.

October 13, 2020 5:18 p.m.

Hmmm, so leaks have started huh?

I like that they are using this set to give old characters cards, but so far, only Tormod and the sister from Innistrad that Avacyn smote interest me.

Jeska is pretty underwhelming for such an interesting character. Also, DemonDragonJ, when Karona was sundered, Jeska returned to her original self (only now with an active spark), so being mono-red makes sense.

I will forever hate planeswalkers as commanders.

October 13, 2020 7:17 p.m.

Actually, the Grixis legend is suuuuper interesting. However, it will be a very oppressive card to play against and I know I will come to hate him helming control/combo decks.

October 13, 2020 7:29 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #46

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor, that makes me wonder why Jeska's spark did not ignite when she died and was reborn as Phage, or when Kamahl struck her down, since those were both life-threatening situations.

October 13, 2020 7:42 p.m.

Honestly, I kind of think WotC sort of chooses to have a planeswalker's spark ignite when it best suits them for story purposes. However, I know her dormant spark is what ultimately transformed her into Phage instead of outright dying at the hands of the Cabal Patriarch. So her spark was sort of active even prior to the sundering of Karona. And it was likely the immense amount of power concentrating in her when she re-emerged that actually ignited her spark.

October 14, 2020 12:18 a.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #48

In this set, I would like to see Nimbus Maze have a complete cycle, in addition to the battle lands and horizon lands having their cycles completed, as well; I know that that is not likely to occur, but it still would be nice.

A card of Kyodai, O-Kagachi's daughter, would also be great, since she had a brief but significant role in the story of the Kamigawa block.

Red Sun's Zenith is the only card in that cycle that has never been reprinted, so it would be nice to have a reprint of it in this set, and the same is true for Beacon of Creation and Beacon of Immortality, as well.

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor, can you imagine how powerful she may have been if she had been a planeswalker as Phage?

October 15, 2020 11:04 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #49

Maro Teaser

• A card that temporarily steals a creature from a new place

Command zone Threaten goooo (WotC is no doubt hacking my MSE files: Urza's Mad Betrayal)

• A card that’s stronger the fewer colors in your commander’s color identity

Dunno what this'll be but it sounds welcome; it's kind of messed up that having more colors is pretty much always better for a card as long as it's going to be in your command zone

• A creature with four words of rules text and fifty-two words of reminder text

Bands with other Cowards

• “Whenever a token you control leaves the battlefield”

Doesn't sound that revolutionary on its own, but go-wide needs all the help it can get in this format

• “Whenever one or more Pirates you control deal damage to your opponents”

• Legendary Creature – Spirit Pirate

Yesyesyesyes finally more support for one of my favorite tribes

• “You and permanents you control have protection from Salamanders”

Hoping this'll be a "proxy combat" card à la Rite of the Raging Storm

(please don't spoil things if you've looked at the leak)

October 21, 2020 3:42 p.m.

dingusdingo says... #50

Hot take here, but I actually really hope that Imperial Seal doesn't get reprinted now or ever. Seal is much more of a collector's item, and I'd hate to see it pop up in every single black deck I sit down against. Vampiric Tutor is the card that should receive reprints and be in the medium budget range ($25-$50) for decks to acquire. I'd also dislike to see Personal Tutor, Sylvan Tutor, and other valuable Portal cards like Capture of Jingzhou receive reprints as well. All of these cards have equivalents that are much more affordable, and those cards should be receiving the reprints. I also think it will help the player base more to have common staples like Vampiric Tutor and the mirage tutors at budget prices ($10-$25 if I'm dreaming) rather than drop an expensive card like Imperial Seal from $500 down to $200 or $150. Even if Imperial Seal were to drop down to $75 which I consider extremely unlikely, it would still be out of the price range of many of the players who wanted the reprint.

That being said, I believe Imperial Seal will get a reprint in the next 2-5 years with almost 100% certainty. It will be a mythic rare to chase in some premium product.

I'd love to see any and all land reprints outside of ABU Duals. By far the least fun and least sexy part of assembling a deck, but absolutely necessary for 3+ color commanders. Shocklands, Checklands, Filterlands, and Painlands should all be affordable so players can build various decks. I'm even on board for fetchland reprints. I'd also like to see more fast mana reprints, specifically Mana Vault and Mox Amber. I'd also like to see efficient answers reprinted, always down for a Force of Will reprint and even Force of Negation, and I also think Abrupt Decay Assassin's Trophy Toxic Deluge Vandalblast Wrath of God Damnation and more.

I'd also love to see another cycle of Magus creatures. I've always thought they were very tastefully done, and excellent for EDH.

October 21, 2020 4:12 p.m.

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