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Oath of Nissa
When Oath of Nissa enters the battlefield, look at the top three cards of your library. you may reveal a creature, land or planeswalker card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any colour to cast planeswalker spells.
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Oath of Nissa Discussion
1 month ago
many of your card choices for wincons focus on creature counts like craterhoof or having a lot of cheap spells and nonland mana sources like Paradox Engine, I'd suggest applying an elf ball into the list (the mana dorks, with maybe Priest of Titania and Elvish Archdruid). Also elves can hold big weapons too.
Now atm the deck is quite lacking in interaction, I would suggest running some amount of removal like Beast Within and Naturalize effects(not the actual naturalize, but any of the much better options), without interaction your playgroup can quickly learn they just need to answer your occasional threats as you cast them and they can assume you won't be able to stop their plans, be it a game ending combo or for the most part just hitting you with their big voltron commander.
Now for the most part it might be expensive, but I'd suggest playing the forest finding fetch lands, they give you extra triggers of landfall (at instant speed!), let you shuffle your deck so you can see a better top of deck, and they're a land intended to go to the graveyard for that excavator. Hell for these uses you could probably run Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, and Blighted Woodland as a budget solution with only a small power down over the non budget (running them with the non budget fetches might be good too, get that critial mass). there is also the abundance of Cultivate like spells that can get you going in a similar manner.
1 month ago
I'd build your deck like this:
(depending on budget. Replace with 2 Plains and 2 Forest) 4 Windswept Heath
7 Plains 4 Forest
1 month ago
I'd love to play some kind of a Saheeli Rai combo deck, brewed with the cards I like.
I loved the delirium mechanic from SOI/EMN and the atmosphere of the Innistrad plane. So i knew i wanted to play cards like traverse the ulvenwald and huntmaster of the fell.
So i started to build a deck and here i am. I'd like to get some insight from you guys, if you think it could be viable. I'm not planning to go to a PPTQ, it's just to enjoy some games in my local gamestore and with some friends.
Here is the decklist I started to work on. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/26-11-18-saheeli/?cb=1543272856
It's on jund colors (more or less), I'll put some blue and white lands but with Oath of Nissa and birds it should be ok when it comes to cast saheeli. I wanted to have some kind of a combo kill too, so that's why the Felidar Guardian is in. And it has some good synergy with the creatures in the deck.
Only one fatal push, with 4 bloodbraid i'd rather hit a lightning bolt but maybe i'm wrong. I opened Assassin's Trophy recently so I threw it in.
I did not add the lands yet, but I was thinking of 22 lands. With the oath, traverse, and birds, I'll probably be ok with 22.
So what do you guys think ? I should probably put more value creatures in the deck, to combo with saheeli and bloodbraid. Do you have any ideas ? Thanks for your help !
(sorry for any grammar or lexical mistake, not native)
2 months ago
As you have added this list to the superfriends hub and mention that creatures would be the first thing you'd cut, I'll mainly focus my recommendations on the superfriends theme. A lot of the suggestions I am going to make might seem fairly obvious if you have seen more conventional superfriends lists, but incase you have not, I'll make them anyways.
Ok, after finishing this, I might need to add a TLDR: Subthemes are great, they make your deck unique. But if you want your deck to be reasonably streamlined, you might want to keep your subthemes just that: subtheme(s) to an actual main theme. Build your shell with that main theme in mind and then see how much space remains for your subtheme(s). Don't get caught in minute synergies between subtheme cards, keep asking yourself "does this go with my main theme or AT LEAST really hit the core of my subtheme?" The rest develops as you play the list and tinker around with it. Below you find some recommendations I would make for a superfriends shell. But take this all with a grain of salt, I am by no means an amazing player, nor an expert on deckbuilding.
Let's start this off with Primevals' Glorious Rebirth. This card is just plain insane. It allows you to play your walkers early on in the game without worrying about them dying too much and then get them all back in one backbreaking turn later on. Doubling Season into this has won me quite a few games.
Oath of Nissa is cheap, rarely fails to find something you want, and makes casting your walkers easier early on, which is nice. Oath of Gideon gets you tokens to block with, and the additional loyalty is often more relevant than one might think. Oath of Jace, Oath of Liliana and Oath of Ajani are definitely playable as well, but I think the others are less situational/ do more at their costs, so I tend to stick with those. It's worth noting that all the oaths are legendary, so they do come back with Primevals' Glorious Rebirth.
The Chain Veil is a classic Superfriends card, it's legendary so it comes back with Primevals' Glorious Rebirth and it makes for some insane turns once you have multiple Walkers online, especially if you can untap it, for example with Tezzeret the Seeker (infinite activation combos are possible here). I've heard about people actually cutting it because they find it a bit clunky (don't have one myself yet, so I can't really comment on that), but it's definitely a powerful card.
Settle the Score can be awkward. There is better singletarget removal available and it needs a target in order to uptick your walker. On the other hand, being able to ult a walker out of nowhere can be pretty sweet. Probably not an optimized card, but decent nontheless.
Extra turn spells like Nexus of Fate or Savor the Moment can allow for extra activations on your walker abilities or just win you the game outright if you can build a board of creatures before going into your extra turn and swinging.
The problem I see with your mana acceleration is that most of it is either pretty slow, susceptible to removal, or both. Gyre Sage for example needs you to get counters onto it to be effective and dies to any kind of creature removal (I still like the card when running +1/+1-counter-synergies and a certain amount of creatures, it just doesn't always ramp you very well). Mox Opal requires you to have metalcraft online, something which I found hard early on within a few test-mulligans I did, and the later the game gets, the lower the impact of a 0-Cost Manarock becomes. Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chaliceboth need a proliferate or two to really shine. Not to mention, if you are geared toward your friends, they might be teching for you as well, and something like a Vandalblastcould hose your ramp pretty hard.
I'd definitely include some landbased ramp along the lines of Farseek, Rampant Growth, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach or Solemn Simulacrum. It thins your deck, comes down fairly early, fixed your mana and rarely gets removed. If you have green in your identity, that ramp is hard to pass by.
Also, unless it's banned in your playgroup, Sol Ring. It's just really good. Especially if you want cheap artifacts that produce mana.
As Foretold is slow, but can get out of control fast, even more so when paired with proliferate. Definitely a fun card.
Another piece of acceleration that is good on it's own and has proliferate-synergy is Coalition Relic.
Thaumatic Compass Flip is a card i recently started running and I've been loving it so far. It fixes your mana and/or finds you lands if you need that, and it flips into a land that can tap for mana and protect your walkers, while being reasonably hard to destroy itself.
If you untap with Mirari's Wake on the board, the game can often just be over, and the +1/+1 works well both with the tokens from your walkers as well as the creatures that you're still running.
There are quite a few great walkers out there and I won't name them all (you're running quite a few of them already). Generally anything that gives you decent cardadvantage, protects itself (usually by making tokens to block with), or kills something the turn it comes down is fine, anything with a combination of 2 of those on its first two abilities is really good. Ults are a lot more relevant in this deck than in most others, as you actually have a pretty reliable chance of getting them off, but I'd still be careful with running a walker JUST because of it's ult. Run cards that you're happy to draw even without a doubling season on the board.
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is the big bad dragon in the room. It's amazing, it wins games, is colorless so you can play it in other decks, but it's pricey.
Vraska, Relic Seeker is a walker I've grown to love recently. Her tokens are great, her removal hits a lot of things and actually gets you and artifact that somewhat ramps you, and her ult often allows you to just take one opponent out then and there (not to mention the fact that it's actually quite easy to reach her ult even without doubling season, seeing as her first ability is +2).
Elspeth, Knight-Errant is useful early on to make and pump tokens, and in your deciding turns her emblem can allow you to wipe your opponents boards while your creatures survive and swing for lethal. It also protects your board in case you can't finish off all opponents at once and have to let them untap. Vivien Reid does a similar job.
This highly depends on your metagame, but overall I feel like your list is a bit low on sweepers. One of the big upsides of running a lot of walkers is that very few boardwipes hit them, so you can continue to set back your opponents while protecting your walkers and generating value. Cards like Damnation/Wrath of God/Day of Judgment, Cyclonic Rift, Toxic Deluge, Decree of Pain, Merciless Eviction, Descend upon the Sinful, Austere Command, In Garruk's Wake and Phyrexian Scriptures all have their targets and you can run them as you see fit.
Counterspells in EDH are a tricky topic. My playgroup doesn't really run any and I hate playing against them so I don't want to start things, but if you see your big spells getting countered repeatedly, you might want to at least run something along the lines of Swan Song, Counterspell and/or Spell Pierce to protect them. Cards like Mystic Confluence or the more expensive Cryptic Command are great because you can just use their other modes in games where you don't want to counter any spells.
Unlike Ghostly Prison or Propaganda, Norn's Annex actually protects your walkers as well as your face. The problem is that aggro/go wide decks are often happier to pay life than mana, particularly early on.
As you already have Teferi's Protection, arguably the better card, this might be a bit overkill, but Comeuppance can be another emergency button kind of card (and this one can actually sometimes kill your opponent).
Some cards that are either just fun to play or decent on their own in the deck (most of these aren't all that optimized ^^).
Helm of the Host costs a LOT of mana to get it on the board and equipped. If your opponents can then remove it for little cost, it's pretty bad. But if it sticks around for a few turns, it can do insane things. An army of Atraxas (all of which proliferate at the end of turn) alone is amazing, but you can also abuse the effects of other creatures (like Deepglow Skate) or combo this with Gideon of the Trials to make a nonlegendary copy of the walker and an emblem on the same turn, forcing your opponents to deal with both walkers before they can kill you. And if they can't kill both before you untap, you can make another copy. And so on. Also synergises with both Doubling Season for extra tokens as well as Primevals' Glorious Rebirth for being another legendary permanent.
Thief of Sanity has been showing up in our playgroup quite a bit. At worst it's just a 2/2 flyer to block with, at it's best it creates this second hand for you that sticks around even if the thief dies and gives you the option to exile your opponents' best cards and use them against them.
If you want to stick with more of the Artifact- and/or +1/+1-counter-synergies, both Hangarback Walker and Walking Ballista are amazing cards on their own that can take over games once paired with some kind of enabler.
If you want to add to your infect-arsenal, both Ichor Rats and Viral Drake are decent cards to run. Be warned though, quite a few players dislike infect in EDH, and some playgroups even have houserules increasing the number of counters needed to kill someone to 15 or 20.
What to cut: In the end, this comes down to you. There might be subotimal cards that you really enjoy playing even if they don't increase your chances at winning. Or a certain sweet combo might justify running a card that is clunky in a lot of situations (Helm of the Host is definitely such a card for me).
Generally, I'd start with the cards that don't really go with any of your main themes. Stuff like Brago, King Eternal, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Derevi, Empyrial Tactician or Etrata, the Silencer(proliferating assassination counters doesn't do anything btw, they have to be on different creatures; just in case you missed that). If you really want effects like that in your deck, try to find it on things that work better with your core themes (like Aminatou, the Fateshifter being able to blink important permanents the turn she comes into play and without having to attack, while working with planeswalker synergies, Primevals' Glorious Rebirth allowing you to return most of your core pieces from your graveyard in one big blowout or extra turn spells allowing you to untap permanents while also giving you extra planeswalker activations).
Then, if you want to focus on one theme and cut back on the others, start with those pieces that worst on their own, like Mox Opal doing literally nothing if you don't have Metalcraft turned on, or Corpsejack Menace being a plain 4/4 for 4 if you aren't putting counters on creatures. If you only have cards remaining that work on their own or with little buildaround, keep asking yourself "would I rather have this or something that goes with my core theme". At this point you can just keep trying around, cutting what feels bad to you, adding some stuff, maybe going back if it changes for the worse, but try to keep your bigger picture in mind. Keep enough of the core mechanics (card draw, ramp, removal, proactive plays) and always ask yourself "what does this do in my deck, why is it the best option, what could I be running instead?". The answer to this question can very well be "I like playing it" or "it looks cool" but this keeps you from playing cards in your deck without reason.
Sooo there you have it, my 2 cents (or maybe 20) on Atraxa Superfriends. There are quite a few expensive cards up there that I don't even own myself, so in case you're interested in my current list, you can find that here.
2 months ago
I think I like Oath of Nissa more. 1 CMC. Don't have to splash white. Not as versatile but I can use any of the three things from the reveal that I can put in my hand. Can take out the harmonizes.
4 months ago
NOTE: The Cards at the front of each suggestion are the cards you should put in, not take out.
You should probably switch out Gruul Turf for Stomping Ground. Gruul Turf sets you a turn or two behind, which is not good for an aggro deck. Why are you running 4 Azusas when she is legendary? The most I'd run is three, as you can only have one out a time. How are you going to get creatures in the grave for Ghoultree? Also, have you considered the Arbor Elf and Utopia Sprawl combo? The best manabase I think for this deck would look this this:
I think that this manabase, esp. with Azuza, is very good, allowing you to get your big guys out quickly. However, I think you could change your creatures as well. There are two ways you can do this, you could either go wide (lots of creatures) or the grow big (a few huge creatures). I have provided cards for both of them
I put the Nissas in here because her Elemental making ability can come in handy while trying to cast Ghalta or for extra mana (untapping the land with Sprawl)
So, not much change, but that little change makes a lot of difference. Also, Lightning Bolt needs to change. You need something that can kill something, no matter the size. Good Luck!
4 months ago
Thanks for your reply. I didn't realize Shield of the Oversoul was so redundant, as I thought it gave lifelink, not flying. Lifegain is a major theme of my deck, as my Angels can get lifelink from Lyra Dawnbringer, which is why I have a few payoff cards. You are right about Oath of Nissa, and while I have known about Sylvan Library for a long time, this is the first time I have seen Mirri's Guile. I'll definitely make the switch. Zendikar Resurgent might be good, so I'll see if it will be good in playtesting once my deck is down to 100 cards. As for your anthems suggestion, I will take out some of them, but I still want 1 or 2 to see how they go.
Thanks for your reply. I didn't know you played Commander! A welcome surprise. And yes, I agree with you, it is very hard to take out cards. I'll probably take out these cards from your list:
Thanks for your help in another deck of mine,
4 months ago
Hey, nice beginner Angel Commander deck. I saw your topic in the Commander Help Forum. The cards I'll suggest you cut to make 100 cards are fine cards, but they're not as good as other cards already here. When you get down to the last remaining cards to cut from a Commander deck it's hard, have to make some tough choices, some good cards will be cut. I'll start with the least good Angels and anthems.
Cards to consider cutting (in no order):
- Sigarda, Heron's Grace
- Angel of Invention
- Sublime Archangel
- Angelic Field Marshal
- Oath of Nissa
- Adventurous Impulse
- Karametra, God of Harvests
- Kindred Summons
- Swift Justice
- Always Watching
- Serra Aviary
- Radiant Destiny
- Angelic Destiny
Lots of anthem effects that only pump Angels are less needed because Angels already have high power as well as flying. Pumping them with anthems isn't doing much. Lyra is the exception because she's an Angel and her anthem effect gives Angels lifelink which is very good for the strategy here. Skirmisher is another exception, she's also an Angel and can also give Angels lifelink.
I have other suggestions if you're interested. Would you like more suggestions?
Good luck with your deck.