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Search your library for a green creature card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
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Summoner's Pact Discussion
5 hours ago
I see what you mean about Sylvan Tutor but doesn’t that make a strong argument for Summoner's Pact since it tutors straight to your hand. Or is the upkeep cost to high since we want mana to activate Yisan?
2 days ago
CyborgAeon: Sorry for the delayed response, I appreciate your comment and wanted to spend a bit of time on the response (this was the first time this weekend I've had a chance to sit down at my compuuter). As for the individual cards.
I've thought about Natural Order in the past. My biggest issue with it is that as you mentioned, it only fetches green creatures. While there aare a lot of good green creatures in the deck, there aren't that many that I would want to spend Order on. Yisan would probably be the primary target and then it feels too slow. I have a variant of the deck which packs Protean Hulk , which would give much more bang for buck. I will add it to the maybeboard there, however I think that here it seems a bit too weak.
Viridian Zealot is cool but more expensive than Pridemage :P
The topic of hatebears is an interesting one. I have seen a few Saffi lists who employ stax/heatbear effects however have opted to focus more on racing to combo. I know the deck will never be faster than lists with access to blue/black however my preference is to spend card slots on ramp and card draw rather than only having limited draw/tutors due to trying to fit a stax package in as well (not to mention having to waste tutors on finding stax pieces rather than digging for win cons). Along those lines, I do entirely agree that I should make the combo as fast as possible. I do really like your suggestion about Elvish Spirit Guide . I'll add it to the maybeaboard for now, I'm not sure if I want to cut Mikokoro for it however it feels like a good addition to the deck. I was also thinking of adding Voyaging Satyr as well, as it does the same thing as Priest of Titania in the Yisan line.
I do like the idea of Leyline of Sanctity as a meta include. I don't think it's good enough for mainboard however I will add it to the maybeboard (I think it will be worth adding some modular swaps for the deck) and that one seems like a funny idea, especially with Rector.
As mentioned, I appreciate the input - there are some solid ideas and I think ESG will end up in the list very soon.
2 days ago
Hey lordkonner, welcome to T/O!
Great list that you have I see that it's been pretty refined and I see the work done in your Rhys list! Have you ever considered using Natural Order as a way to grab your Hoof ? Or Summoner's Pact to grab any of your essential green creatures?
3 days ago
Let me clarify what I meant for Walking Ballista . Of course it wipes the table with infinite damage with a free sac outlet available, but I meant it can go infinite with a sac outlet OR Blood Artist . Still a three card combo but in a different way. Remove the counter from Ballista to ping itself which kills it. Mikaeus brings it back with another +1/+1 counter. This creates an infinite death trigger loop which allows Blood Artist to drain the board. I didn't mean to imply that it needed Artist in addition to the sac outlet.
I do like the idea of using Natural Order especially because it bypasses my hand and puts the creature right out on the battlefield. Summoner's Pact is an option, but I'm not sure I'm completely sold on it. It feels win-more. If I have infinite mana to easily pay its cost to avoid losing, I'm likely already winning anyway. Otherwise I pay the same amount as Natural Order , but it only goes to my hand.
It's likely I'll end up adding Walking Ballista considering the number of different combos it brings with it. It already looks more versatile than Triskelion , and it will give me something to do with infinite mana besides continue to use Ghave. Lower cmc is always a plus, too. I'll play around with a few other things before I decide on any official cuts.
Thanks for the ideas!
3 days ago
No problem Abzkaban!
Here are my thoughts, yes as same with me the reason I don't run the infamous Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Triskelion combo anymore is really because the CMC cost. Without it they are value pieces outside of the two card combo, Trike by itself although needs to be in a recursion combo in order for it to go infinite. Whereas Walking Ballista can go infinite with infinite mana. So it really just depends on how often you go for certain combos. If you lean more toward infinite mana, Ballista would be easier on the curve as well as it can stand in as a decent removal for other people's creatures. If more on the reanimation based route, than Trike would be better.
Oh and a small correction on Ballista as well, Mike and Ballista just needs any sac outlet for it to win the game, as you can remove the counter and than sacrifice Ballista to re-enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter due to Mike's Undying ability. So Blood Artist is unnecessary for it to kill the table. Any sac outlet will do as long as you can kill off the Ballista!
Moving to your next point Tooth and Nail , yeah can be considered taking out, more so is because of the inclusion of Protean Hulk . You can think about using Natural Order as well to grab it as well and use a sac engine to kill it off. Another substitute can also be Summoner's Pact although it's limited by only green creatures, but can be helpful on the turn you have infinite mana to combo off with.
Hope that gives you more insight!
4 days ago
It seems strong - though with such an investment in creatures have you considered Natural Order ? I know it only gets a green creature, but you've a slew of reasonable targets.
Your lack of hatebears (selesnya's best trait) makes me believe you should consider more speed in your combo. Cutting mikokoro for Elvish Spirit Guide is a good example. Another would be including Summoner's Pact to find a combo piece.
My last advice is only that I'd recommend leyline of sanctity as a meta dependent option. Most cEDH decks use similar wins at the moment like by abusing aetherflux, or walking ballista, etc. So it can be a cheeky include.
1 week ago
I mean, Aluren has won me games before, especially considering that I can combo with it, and I keep the land count high because I really like getting Seton out on turn 2 to get out underneath people, but, fair enough, maybe I could axe cards like Ring of Three Wishes . I'd actually prefer Sylvan Tutor over Summoner's Pact , though I suppose I could easily play both.
And I've had great success with Akroma's Memorial many times before--it's literally just a better Concordant Crossroads once I'm going off (the extra 6 mana makes no difference), and having two such effects can be important to doing so. Coat of Arms Has also won me games on the spot, but I guess you could call that anecdotal.