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Creature — Giant Shaman
Sunder Shaman can't be blocked by more than one creature.
Whenever Sunder Shaman deals combat damage to a player, destroy target artifact or enchantment that player controls.
Sunder Shaman Discussion
6 days ago
Wow, that was very well laid out. Thank you very much. To take your suggestions in order...
I absolutely agree that the deck could stand to be a little faster, although things like Bonecrusher Giant ’s Stomp adventure do help a little in keeping the deck from simply folding to faster archetypes. Arboreal Grazer is a good idea. I’ll probably get rid of Flower / Flourish and maybe even the one-of Escape to the Wilds for them.
Sadly, Commune with Dinosaurs isn’t standard legal anymore and wouldn’t be very good in this deck anyway, but I do get your point. In practice, I find that Once Upon a Time really helps with mana fixing in this tri-color deck, and to dive for a threat if I don’t currently have one. I do admit that there may be better cards for the same job though.
The Great Henge is a great idea. I’m not sure why I didn’t think of it myself, but I’ll almost certainly throw it in somewhere.
Finally, I don’t have nearly as much trouble bringing out Sunder Shaman as you might think. The shock lands help, as does Fabled Passage and Once Upon a Time , though I do agree that it’s a bit of a greedy include regardless and I may end up changing him out for something else.
6 days ago
I suppose it's a little hypocritical of me to say you should toss Sunder Shaman because you can't meet the mana requirements and then suggest Yorvo, Lord of Garenbrig .... Just be careful about using either.
6 days ago
This is actually one of the first giant decks I've seen, despite the clear upsides to making them. There are also clear downsides to a giant deck. The first being that you're slow, since giants are by nature big creatures. You need some more ramp, like Arboreal Grazer . You aren't playing simic colors, which is where all the good ramp is, but you should take efforts to be able to get those giants down by T3-4.
Second, Once Upon a Time is not a card that fits into every green deck. If your big win-cons are specific creatures or a specific land, it's a good card to have, but in this one you're just wasting card advantage and a card slot. It's still a good card, but you're only going to have it free one time in half your games at most, and the rest of the time it's an over-costed Commune with Dinosaurs .
And lastly, Sunder Shaman . Great card, powerful 4-drop, but it's not going to work for this deck. Two each of two colors on turn 4 is hard in a dual-color deck, and nearly impossible in tri-color. It's extra-hard because you want cast off on the next turn, which requires 2 of your third color. You'd have to have at least one paradise druid to pull this off, and that's a lot of uncertainty.
To replace these cards, I'd recommend taking a look at Outmuscle (a situationally good fight spell), Yorvo, Lord of Garenbrig (a very good addition to this deck, but you won't get him T3 like ever so he's going to be a T4-6 play), Barge In (a cheap way to give your giants trample and boost), and then test/take a look at these: The Great Henge , Domri, Anarch of Bolas , Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner , Bolt Bend , and Return of the Wildspeaker .
1 month ago
So there're a lot of different directions you can take RG decks. I'll suggest some basic, universal additions first, and then suggest some win conditions:
The best part of green in EDH is the dorks. You should definitely run at least Llanowar Elves , but there're some other cards you should consider: Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Birds of Paradise , Arbor Elf , Shaman of Forgotten Ways , Somberwald Sage , Joraga Treespeaker ... If you end up having a lot of elves, running something like Priest of Titania is worth including. Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers can get a lot of mana. Finally, Orcish Lumberjack is a card I have been very impressed with... turning a forest into effectively a better Black Lotus is a good thing. (Note that Arbor Elf is especially good if it untaps lands enchanted with Utopia Sprawl , Elvish Guidance or Wild Growth ).
Red-green decks tend to poop out a lot of creatures and go lightly on the spells. Slate of Ancestry is an EXCELLENT way to recoup card advantage, provided you have a critical mass of creatures on the table. Commune with Lava is another excellent pseudo-card-draw thingy. If your games are usually four player games, Decimate is frequently a four-for-one, meaning that it's another good source of permanent-count advantage. Shamanic Revelation is another good draw-spell. If you have fat enough creatures, Rishkar's Expertise may merit an include. Hull Breach is a great two-for-one.
Green-red decks, which tend to be creature-heavy, can be soft to boardwipes. Heroic Intervention is a good way to protect your duders; Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence are good ways to recoup cards after losing a bunch of guys.
Tutors are good. Gamble is cheap these days, due to the recent reprint. Green Sun's Zenith , Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling can all grab powerful creatures to play -- note that GSZ for X = 0 can grab Dryad Arbor , if you run it. Worldly Tutor or Sylvan Tutor are also good.
Oftentimes, green-red decks win through a combination of Stax pieces and aggro cards.
Potential Stax Pieces:
Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon : If you craft your land base carefully, you can make these into a near asymmetrical effect. A lot of decks benefit from greedy mana bases in EDH, and these are a way to punish that.
Artifact hate is pretty awesome. Collector Ouphe is powerful, since you can get your ramp from creatures while shutting off non-green players' artifact ramp; as an added bonus, you can grab it with Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling . By Force is an excellent card that can nuke a lot of permanents at once, and Nature's Claim is a very efficient removal spell. Krosan Grip may be justified in a heavy-blue meta. Gorilla Shaman is good as a method of artifact-destruction that does not cost you cards. Also Reclamation Sage and Manglehorn .
Gruul has access to a lot of hatebears. Ruric Thar, the Unbowed is a really powerful dude you've already got, as he can club combo players like me really hard. Harsh Mentor is good for punishing all sorts of decks. Eidolon of the Great Revel , and his cousin Pyrostatic Pillar , are both good. Scab-Clan Berserker is similar to Kambal, Consul of Allocation in Orzhov. Runic Armasaur , too.
Cards like Root Maze can shut down combos really quickly, and City of Solitude / Price of Glory can prevent/discourage countermagic. Pyroblast or the Maybeboarded Red Elemental Blast can also be worth running.
Most of the best green decks end the game with an alpha-strike. Craterhoof Behemoth is the best for this, as it can be tutored out with Natural Order or a high-cost Green Sun's Zenith . Similarly, Overrun is good, but I suggest Triumph of the Hordes as a more potent alternative. This does, of course, require creatures on the board, so I suggest some of the following duders:
Eternal Witness (from Maybeboard)
Deep Forest Hermit / Thelonite Hermit / Deranged Hermit : These make bodies for Craterhoof Behemoth and Slate of Ancestry ; also good if you end up running Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip or Gaea's Cradle .
Beast Whisperer : Added bonus of card advantage.
...and the aforementioned hatebears can also attack.
Good luck! That's all I got.
2 months ago
I'd like to thank you both, Funkydiscogod and , for fleshing out a much better and cleaner wording for the card than I originally had.
It's got enough text on it, with the reminder, that having the "Deals damage equal to its toughness when it's not your turn" part would make the card very wordy, but, is 5/5 with flash and this ability a bit powerful for three mana?
Perfectly happen to be wrong, but does it need either a slight cost increase to maybe Sunder Shaman 's cost, or Defender (which, again, kind of does the original intent with fewer words) or some kind of requirement that you attack with at least one creature each turn if able? Or, I guess, make it legendary.
Thoughts? And thanks again.
2 months ago
I can’t imagine Hoard-Smelter Dragon ever seeing play before the end of the game. Why not just run either Glissa Sunseeker , Sunder Shaman , or Thrashing Brontodon in that slot instead? All of these options will see play before game end and should help lock down the board for you
4 months ago
Turn 0: Leyline of Abundance
Turn 1: land, Llanowar Elves
4 months ago
Yo! RG decks are interesting. Here's what I think -- feel free to disregard it:
The main attraction of running green is having access to one-mana mana-dorks. Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic and Orcish Lumberjack will all speed up your deck tremendously, while giving you bodies for Overwhelming Stampede or similar finishers. Exploration is a good accelerator, though it can be expensive; search for tomorrow is similar. There are some two- or three-mana dorks you might also want to consider, like Priest of Titania , Shaman of Forgotten Ways and Somberwald Sage . Having dorks ramps green faster than any other color is capable of.
Overwhelming Stampede is an excellent card; in that vein, Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes are both good finishers. If you want to put money into the deck, Craterhoof Behemoth is a great card in Legacy Elves that also works here. Grabbing Craterhoof with something like Natural Order can produce a really fast win. Green Sun's Zenith is another good tutor-spell, which can also fetch Dryad Arbor turn one.
I see you're running Nature's Lore . Farseek is a great card to fetch a mountain, especially if you choose to run Stomping Ground , Sheltered Thicket and/or Cinder Glade . Taiga is good, too, but that's pushing $200 these days... effing OG duals.
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is a good card, and an affordable version of Gaea's Cradle . Similarly, Slate of Ancestry is a very underrated EDH card that would be a powerhouse in this deck. In the line of card-draw, Beast Whisperer and Harmonize are worth considering.
Karplusan Forest , Spire Garden , Command Tower and Grove of the Burnwillows are four excellent non-basic, ETB-untapped lands for your colors. You should run these, if at all possible. I think they're better than Jund Panorama and Naya Panorama , as well as Rogue's Passage . You should consider Kessig Wolf Run , as well as cutting one or two lands from the final list.
Depending on how sadistic you are, you may also want to consider running some stax pieces. Thorn of Amethyst is an excellent card in most green decks, as these decks tend to produce oodles of mana and not cast too many non-creature spells. Pyrostatic Pillar and Eidolon of the Great Revel are excellent ways to keep low-curved decks in check. Harsh Mentor varies with meta calls, though it can be very strong. Stranglehold can ruin some strategies, and Price of Glory can nuke counter-heavy decks. Similarly, Vexing Shusher is useful to avoid getting countered, especially since you don't have to activate it until after an opponent casts a counterspell. Scab-Clan Berserker is worth considering.
I suggest Gamble . It's the best tutor in your colors. Eternal Witness is another pretty good card you may want to consider to get you back in the game after a board-wipe. I suggest running Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence for the same reason.
Your spot removal will be dependent on how hard you want to lean into Ruric Thar, the Unbowed . If you want to keep him, Reclamation Sage and similar effects are the way to go. Without him, or while thinking of him as a secondary creature, you should run Nature's Claim and/or Krosan Grip . Chain of Acid is an interesting card I've been wondering about recently, so you may be interested in experimenting with it. Hull Breach is similar to Decimate , and is often a two-for-one. Shattering Spree , By Force , Ancient Grudge , Vandalblast and Fiery Confluence are good as well.
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion is an efficient, powerful creature that helps cycle away dead cards in your hand, all while generating mana. Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is another super-efficient creature. Boartusk Liege is valuable for its anthem effect and not-insignificant body. Siege Behemoth is another recommendation, for obvious reasons.
Depending on your meta, Sunder Shaman , Choke , Carpet of Flowers , Flashfires and Boil are options. If you keep your mana-base with only a few non-basics, Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon and Ruination are good cards. If your meta is super aggressive, you should consider Loxodon Warhammer or Basilisk Collar in order to recoup life points. Runic Armasaur is another good consideration if your meta has a lot of fetch lands and the like.
Strionic Resonator is a way to copy your general's trigger, and may be tremendously helpful. Resolving them in succession on the same creature results in quadrupled power.
Alright, that's all I got for now. I hope you found these suggestions at least a little helpful. Good luck with deck building!
Sunder Shaman occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%