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|Duel Decks: Elves vs. Inventors (DDU)||None|
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Uncommon|
|Tenth Edition (10E)||Uncommon|
|Ninth Edition (9ED)||Uncommon|
|Ninth Edition Foreign Black Border (9EDFBB)||Uncommon|
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Creature — Elf Shaman
When Viridian Shaman enters the battlefield, destroy target artifact.
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Viridian Shaman Discussion
1 year ago
I really like Whirler Rogue as a token generator and something to make your buffed up stuff unblockable. Cultivator of Blades is a great elf that makes tokens and pumps your team for massive swings. I'm not a huge fan of one-off effects like Strength in Numbers in edh, Dragon Throne of Tarkir is a great repeatable version of the effect that goes much better with Ezuri's ability. Lys Alana Huntmaster and Wirewood Hivemaster both generate tokens off of each elf you play. Gyre Sage and Viridian Joiner are some great mana dorks that can generate huge amounts of mana once pumped up with Ezuri. I don't really like Lightning Greaves in Ezuri because it turns off your ability to buff the creature it's attached to, but it's probably just good enough for letting your mana dorks tap for mana on the turn you play them. Lifecrafter's Bestiary is a great way to draw cards off of all the cheap elves in your deck. If you don't mind infect, Viridian Corrupter is basically a strictly better version of Viridian Shaman, and doubles as a win condition. Your deck feels a bit light on draw. Some great tribal draw engines are Kindred Discovery and Distant Melody. In addition, Fathom Mage is a great draw engine with Ezuri.
Sorry if this was a bit of an incoherent ramble. If you'd like, check out my Ezuri list (We're Gonna Need a LOT of Dice) for more inspiration. In addition, I'm working on an elfball Ezuri list. Once it's done I'll post it here so you can check out a deck more like this one.
1 year ago
since you're running BOPs, maybe Gavony Township as a 1-of (i know you dont want many non-colored mana sources, but it could be another mana dump if youre stuck with some jank hand). Here's the changes i'd make:
-4 Rancor (love it, but begs to get 2-for-1'd, when most of your creatures are bolt-able and have no evasion or protection, otherwise and it makes BOP into an actual real creature late game), -1 Forest, +1 CoCo, +1 Kird Ape, +1 Gavony Township, +1 Dryad Arbor, +1 Loam Lion.
For SB options, i like Stony Silence, Ancient Grudge, and Smash to Smithereens (in that order) better than Nature's Claim. hell, i even like Naturalize or Disenchant better, tbh. i dont think 2 mana is out of the question. since you are playing a zoo variation, you arent likely to slam a bunch of 5+ power creatures at the opponent at once, so the 4 life gain might actually matter. idk. personal preference, i suppose. it is nice to have some enchantment removal as well in case of bogles, but that kind of depends on the meta.
With CoCo in your deck, your sideboard could be open to more tech creatures, instead of some of the spells/enchantments. like Spellskite for bogles, Vithian Renegades, War Priest of Thune, Reclamation Sage, and Viridian Shaman for artifact/enchantment hate, Lantern Scout, Kor Firewalker, or Lone Missionary for burn hate. or generally a bunch of random hatebears and miscellaneous stuff to cover your bases like Harsh Mentor, Loxodon Smiter, Tunnel Ignus, Aegis of the Gods, Hushwing Gryff, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Burrenton Forge-Tender, Qasali Pridemage, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Gaddock Teeg... Basically whatever your meta has a ton of going on, theres a creature version to hate on it. I'm a big fan of Rest in Peace because it totally bones a handful of decks, but if you're firing off Collected Companys, with your SB hate lost in your deck somewhere, you stand a much better chance of pulling it out, than if it were an enchantment.
Just some suggestions. love zoo. like the idea youve got with the dino and god in there. seems cool. +1
1 year ago
1 year ago
I am particularly hard on this deck because I know the builder in person, and he has asked for some help. This is not a comment on a random deck tearing it a new one.
Samut, Voice of Dissent is not the easiest commander to build, because the deck is instantly torn between multiple possible play styles. She is strong enough to be a voltron commander, has the colors to be a general big-beast-beat-down commmander, and an ability that makes you want to play utility. Choosing what you want to focus on and sticking to it is going to be key in building her effectively.
One big problem at the moment is that your deck seems to lack focus. It has some generally good cards, like the Exert creatures, who were practically made to work with Samut, but then it has cards like Elvish Piper and Yisan Chord, while having very few creatures of particular use or great value to cheat out. (How often do you think this deck will have two high cmc creatures in hand to make use of Elvish Piper and Samut in one turn?)
Your creature choices suggest you run a big creature deck, yet you have 3 spells that copy instants and sorceries, with nothing in the deck that needs copying. You run Quicksilver Amulet, any only one creature of cmc 8 or greater. Your deck sifts through its creatures, but very few of them do anything, and a number of them reverse their effects when they leave the battlefield.
What you need to do is focus on how you want to win, not what you want to do or what would go well with your commander. Once you have the focus on that, you can find the cards in that vein that will have synergy with your commander.
There are a lot of cards in this deck that just don't need to be here. Maybe they are around from an earlier deck direction that didn't pan out, maybe some other reason, but as it is, they are generally of less value than many other cards could be.
Soul Warden and Essence Warden. This is not a particularly creature heavy deck. You currently have 30, and little to no token production. These cards do not have tap abilities, and so have no synergy with your commander, and your deck as a whole doesn't require a lot of life to function. It's two card slots for minimal life gain, which is a function separate from the deck as a whole.
Ranger of Eos. This card is strictly dedicated to fetching the two above-mentioned cards. It does not have a verity of targets, it does not benefit from untapping. It does not have significant combat value, and ultimately little value to the deck as a whole.
Banisher Priest and Fiend Hunter. These are just weak removal spells. They only target creatures, and they only temporarily remove them. They don't interact with Samut, and they can't be used for combat purposes since they return the exiled cards upon death. They also grant your opponents a stronger board state post-wipe.
Reiterate, Reverberate, and Increasing Vengeance. This is not an instant/sorcery deck. This is not a control deck. Sure, these are good for controlling blue decks, but again, not a control deck. If you want to go that direction, you have to dedicate more resources to it, otherwise, you're spreading yourself too thin and overall weakening your deck. Remember, you need to be building towards your win condition, your endgame, otherwise you end up with a deck that can delay someone else's, but without a goal of its own. (Which is essentially what this deck seems to do)
The Primordals. Not bad cards, but not that great. Not particularly on theme with the deck. Their abilities have situational uses, so they are cards that you hold in hand until needed, not cards that you cheat in early. They don't benefit from your commander's ability, nor do they contribute to her combat capabilities. They have ok bodies, but as far as big creatures are concerned, there are far better for the cost. Molten Primordial especially, since your current build isn't a rush deck, and you don't have many sac effects, his one-time swing won't be particularly game changing.
Viridian Shaman. Why? It's half a Naturalize on a weak body for more mana. I could see this in an Animar deck, where casting creatures gains you additional benefits, but this deck gains nothing from weak bodies. He neither contributes to Samut, nor does he benefit from her ability. This card is actually a prime example of why this deck doesn't work. "Too much for too little." Card slots dedicated to minor contro/removal aspects, with no advancement towards your own victory.
I'm gonna stop there. A lot of cards don't work in this deck, and as you said, this deck doesn't work. I'm not trying to be mean, I know I'm coming down hard, but hopefully these examples emphasize the core of what's wrong with this deck. I'd suggest a redesign towards a more focused approach with your end game in mind.
Better tap abilities should be included if you want to make the most of your commander's utility ability. Cards like Mother of Runes, Mangara of Corondor, and Intrepid Hero have abilities that are easy to reuse and will actually gain you value to use multiple times in a turn.
If you want to continue the cheating in mentality, big creatures that actually pose a threat, and/or empower your commander should be included. Stonehoof Chieftain is a perfect example of the cards you should be looking for for this style. By itself it's an 8/8 Indestructible with Trample. That's a threat, hard to remove. Instant boardstate. Additionally, however, it gives Indestructible and Trample to your commander, (as well as any other attacking creatures), advancing you towards a commander damage win.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite buffs your commander, the rest of your field, and is a soft wipe to your opponents. And the buff synergizes well with your commander's Double Strike.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope is a fantastic cheat in. That said, you're in green. I prefer ramp to cheating in creatures as it is. But I will not deny the potential of tapping Elvish Piper twice, so long as you have useful cards to put in with her.
My point is that you need to find things that serve an ongoing purpose to your boardstate. If you're going big creatures, find some that work together, as well as stand alone. Think of them in conjunction to your commander, and ask what value they will have together, continuing, and towards the end of the game. During a match, you are always pushing towards the win. During deckbuilding, that same mentality should be applied.
1 year ago
first wave of cuts: Unbridled Growth does literally nothing in mono-green, Prophetic Prism same reason, Karametra's Favor don't need. also anything that is giving you energy you dont need it. unless you have some pay off for energy there is no point in running those
things to add (this is a long list so obviously just pick things up as you can. also not all of this will fit in but this is all good stuff):Arbor Elf, Allosaurus Rider, Birchlore Rangers, Bow of Nylea, Cultivate, Devoted Druid, Drove of Elves, Druid of the Cowl, Eladamri, Lord of Leaves, Elvish Archdruid, Elvish Champion, Elvish Harbinger, Elvish Mystic, Elvish Promenade, Elvish Vanguard, Everglove Courier, Explosive Vegetation, Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fyndhorn Elder, Gaea's Herald, Gladehart Cavalry, Glissa Sunseeker, Greatbow Doyen, Green Sun's Zenith, Greenweaver Druid, Gyre Sage, Heritage Druid, Harmonize, Hunting Triad, Immaculate Magistrate, Imperious Perfect, Joraga Treespeaker, Joraga Warcaller, Llanowar Elves, Llanowar Mentor, Lys Alana Bowmaster, Lys Alana Huntmaster, Masked Admirers, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip, Nissa's Pilgrimage, Norwood Priestess, Nullmage Shepherd, Nylea, God of the Hunt, Oran-Rief, the Vastwood, Priest of Titania, Realm Seekers, Reclamation Sage, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary, Tajuru Preserver, Talara's Battalion, terrastodon, Thornweald Archer, Titania's Chosen, Viridian Shaman, Wellwisher, Wildslayer Elves, Winnower Patrol, Wirewood Elf, Wren's Run Packmaster, Yeva, Nature's Herald
(takes giant breath)
yeah.. its a lot of stuff. I got a little carried away.. also this is not a budgeted list of suggestions. you will need some of the $3-10 cards to make elves a serious threat.
1 year ago
2 years ago
2 years ago
creatures to replace sorcery and instants: Fleshbag Marauder Acidic Slime Bane of Progress Woodfall Primus Magus of the Disk Anger Terastodon Duergar Hedge-Mage Harmonic Sliver Reclamation Sage Viridian Shaman War Priest of Thune Kor Sanctifiers
Yavimaya Elder to replace some of ur ramping spells