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Creature — Elf Knight
Other green creatures you control get +1/+1.
Other white creatures you control get +1/+1.
If a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard Wilt-Leaf Liege, put it into play instead of putting it into your graveyard.
Wilt-Leaf Liege Discussion
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
Also, mind explaining the difference in hatebears (the deck) and DnT, I know a hatebear is a type of creature and a deck, but that is the only difference I know of. Sorry I I got that wrong.
Finally... While Thalia, Guardian of Thraben punishes storm and other lists in Modern, and Leonin Arbiter puts in work, I just think the modern brand of unfair is a worse matchup. The amount of free interaction like Force of Will that is relied on in Legacy that a Vial-ed in Thalia can stop is immense, and Mother of runes protecting against Moderns vast removal sweet would bring a lot to the deck. As well, Death's Shadow isn't one of the types of decks that DnT really punishes hard, and while Thalia can Crush Pheonix (Excluding their 3 Gut Shots and 4 lightning bolts and 2 Lightning axes), and Ad Nauseam hates her too, that makes the deck super reliant on finding Thalia to get enough time to put together a field of relatively weak creatures to kill. It just doesn't do enough without Stoneforge Mystic in terms of board presence. Splicer is close... but clearly isn't turn 3 Batterskull with Mother or Vial on 1 to help out.
Also, what is unfair about Lantern?
2 weeks ago
You say everyone sleeps on Wilt-Leaf Liege - a staple in some GW Little Kid decks as well as some legacy Chain of Smog decks, so you are clearly opinionated on this topic, however I want to make the point that while DnT and it's brethren are not the classical "control" decks. They are stax-like in their use of Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Leonin Arbiter , and Ghost Quarter / Wasteland (If you are in legacy) as opposed to the more mainstream control lists that are permission, using counterspells, 1 for 1s, and some card advantage to break parity on their own 1 for 1s.
Their biggest strengths and downsides are in the other name, "Hatebears". A Grizzly Bear is only aggressive in some limited formats, while in constructed it is weak as a way to close out games fast, whereas the stax elements of Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Leonin Arbiter are only very useful in formats where abusive or unfair decks thrive. Hatebears is a bad aggro deck with a really good matchup against unfair lists, but if you pair it up with a Zoo list it will fail, so modern isn't the format it belongs to; just a pile of efficient creatures and it will die.
TL;DR: Leave DnT to legacy IMO.
2 weeks ago
Death and Taxes. A sweet sweet deck that combines aggro and control. I've personally always been fascinated by the deck, though I never built it because of its supposed lack of power in Modern.
I feel like DnT is a bit underwhelming vs control, but Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is nuts against the Phoenix decks.
My question is simple : can DnT be an actual thing in Modern? If you think so, should we have to reconsider/rethink our approach of the deck based on the Modern Meta? I guess Humans is just better at what DnT does, even though the game plans are not entirely the same?
I'd love to hear you guys' opinions on the topic!
NB : I'm not a tournament grinder, and have been play mostly Burn for the past years. I guess a version of DnT would do it for FNM's, right?
2 weeks ago
Flooremoji, Mirrorweave can be cast in combat targeting Wilt-Leaf Liege to turn all your attackers into 4/4 lords that pump each other for +2/+2, if your opponent lets a couple tokens past their blockers it can easily do lethal out of nowhere. Alternatively you can turn all creatures into Stillmoon Cavalier and swing in past their board since all your attackers have protection from white and black and all your opponent's creatures become white/black, this can help for getting in the last bit of damage. (unfortunately can't pump and then copy, as the copies will still be 2/1s) Nobilis of War is also an option, but not quite as consistent as Wilt-Leaf Liege since they don't get a buff to toughness so opponents can still trade one-for-one.
2 months ago
You may want to look at Death & Taxes build. You should adjust the numbers a bit, such as:
- -1 Thalia
- -1 Scooze
- +1 Splicer
- +1 Aven Mindcensor
- -1 Resto
- Move Crusaders to Board then +1
- -2 E. Wit
- +2 Settle the Wreckage
- +2 Eldrazi Displacer
Even though you are missing Eldrazi Displacer in the current build, the deck is still considered Death & Taxes due to the number of blink and flicker effects. If you want to go a more Hatebears route, don't add Displacer and consider replacing Splicer and/or Flickerwisp with Loxodon Smiter, Wilt-Leaf Liege, and other heavy hitters. Hatebears doesn't utilize the blinking and flickering effects, but still relies heavily on the taxing and land destruction path.
I've found that Shalai, Voice of Plenty has become increasingly useful from the sideboard. If the game goes long, GW will be able to activate her ability, otherwise she's another 3/4 flyer that gives you and your stuff Hexproof.
3 months ago
I'm always glad to see another person join the growing ranks of the Selesnya.
The first thing I would say about the deck is try to make it as consistent as possible. This is normally done by running as many as possible of the better cards. I understand this is probably because of the fact that you have just started so your collection is limited but it might be something to keep in mind as you progress. The opposite is true with populate cards, with big tokens they make a big impact and with small tokens they do not do much.
Next decide fully what direction you want to take the deck. What are your win conditions and how are you going to obtain them? The two classics for tokens in this colour are either: Flooding the board with lots of smaller tokens or cheaply duplicating bigger tokens. This should help you identify which cards to cut. For example Tolsimir is brilliant when running lots of smaller tokens but his benifit is not doing as much if you are playing bigger creatures.
As for a side board it is a reactionary selection of cards. so really you need to think who you are playing against and what cards would combat their decks. For example i would say that authority of the consuls is more of a side board card, as even though it is brilliant against some decks it can be a bit of a waste against others. When I started (and i started with a low to the ground token elf deck) I did not worry about a side board because it is more for competitive play.
Wall of Roots is a perfect card for a big stompy deck giving you protection early game and mana to cast your bigger cards early.
I would also put some form of flying defence in the deck (or even the side board). Sandwurm Convergence can be a good one (although the mana cost is steep) I,m sorry for prattling on so much, I hope I helped. Any questions id be happy to answer.
Wilt-Leaf Liege occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.03%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
GW (Selesnya): 0.1%