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When Cast Out enters the battlefield, exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls until Cast Out leaves the battlefield.
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Cast Out Discussion
21 hours ago
To see if these new Challenger decks can in fact be good out of box for $30 with no upgrades I've been testing Counter Surge vs the rest of the decks.
Counter Surge is good out of box it's wrecking the rest of them mostly because the manabase is so much better than Vehicle Rush and Second Sun Control because of 8x Golgari dual lands Aether Hub and Foul Orchard. Being able to produce enough energy to power Hub gives the deck a huge advantage.
3x Verdurous Gearhulk is basically not fair compared to the other decks. Blossoming Defense wrecks Hazoret Aggro. Glint-Sleeve Siphoner wrecks Second Sun Control because Aether Meltdown doesn't stop it from attacking gaining energy. Longtusk Cub and Walk the Plank are the worst cards in the deck and could easily be cut for Servant of the Conduit or Merfolk Branchwalker and Moment of Craving. 3x Dreamstealer is one too many.
Budget upgrades for Counter Surge:
- Cut 4x Cub for 4x Servant or Branchwalker
- Cut 1x Dreamstealer and 2x Walk the Plank for 3x Moment of Craving
- Cut 2x Appetite for the Unnatural for 2x Naturalize
- Cut 1x Slice in Twain for 1x Lost Legacy
- Cut 1x Cartouche of Ambition for 1x Crook of Condemnation
Vehicle Rush has a great decklist out of box, the best of the decks, but the manabase is shit. It's also missing Abrade in the 75 cards. The manabase is relying too much on Spire of Industry it needs 4x Inspiring Vantage. Aether Hub doesn't make sense for the deck other than using this land as an appealing reason to buy this product. Buy it for the complete decklist and put some money or trade into upgrading the manabase with Vantage. 4x Heart is a big draw it's still Standard legal for the rest of the year. A card or more could be printed in the next few sets that could break Heart again.
Budget upgrades for Vehicle Rush:
- Cut 3x Hub for 3x more Vantage
- Cut 2x Evolving Wilds for 1x more Dragonskull Summit and 1x more Swamp
- Cut 2x Lightning Strike for 2x Abrade
- Cut 3x Harsh Mentor for 1x more Abrade, 1x more Cast Out and 1x Ixalan's Binding
Hazoret Aggro is not good out of box it lacks punch; it needs Earthshaker Khenra and Invigorated Rampage to make up for having only one Hazoret. Harsh Mentor doesn't do enough for the deck to warrant main deck spots. It's a sideboard card in Vehicle Rush, but some reason it's a main deck card in Hazoret Aggro?
4x Fanatical Firebrand is very lackluster. 8x main deck burn spells that can go to the face and 4x Ahn-Crop Crasher are saving graces for the deck. Crasher is the best card in the deck because you draw it much more than singleton Hazoret, Chandra or Glorybringer. 4x Chandra's Defeat in the sideboard is strange as it hits very few cards vs all the other decks. 2x Defeat and 2x more Abrade is better to stop Verdurous and Heart. Buy this product purely for the three stand out cards: Chandra, Hazoret and Glorybringer.
Budget upgrades for Hazoret Aggro:
- Cut 3x Mentor for 3x Earthshaker
- Move 2x Pia Nalaar from sideboard to main deck replacing 2x Firebrand
- Cut 2x Magma Spray for 2x Invigorated Rampage
- New sideboard: 3x Spray, 2x Mentor, 2x more Abrade, 2x Defeat, 2x Kari Zev's Expertise, 2x more Rampage, 2x Key
Second Sun Control is the worst of the decks out of box. You need more time to cast Approach of the Second Sun better cards to delay your opponent. The manabase could be better needs budget 4x Meandering River or 2-4x Aether Hub or both. You need to be able to hit double white, but 12x Islands which includes 2x Ipnu Rivulet is not helping. Aether Meltdown and Glimmer of Genius can power Hub.
The lack of Essence Scatter in the 75 cards is confusing, to upgrade start by including 3-4x Scatter. Kefnet is not a very good second win condition, but it's the Mythic in the deck, can't cut it right? A second copy of Settle the Wreckage would of been better than a second Kefnet.
The best thing about Meltdown is flash, but overall it's not a good card because it doesn't prevent the creature enchanted by it from attacking which is not good vs Bomat Courier or Glint-Sleeve, two of the best cards in these decks vs Control. It is however good to stop Heart of Kiran, but I would cut some for Baffling End because it can exile Scrapheap Scrounger, Earthshaker, Dreamstealer as well as Glint-Sleeve or Bomat all these creatures are hard for Control to deal with. 4x Cast Out, 4x Censor, 4x Supreme Will, 3x Fumigate, 1x Settle the Wreckage and 4x Irrigated Farmland are the reasons to buy this product. This is a nice a starting core of a Control deck, but not sure it's worth an investment of $30.
If budget upgrading I would make a lot of changes. New main deck:
- 1x Kefnet
- 4x Censor
- 3x Scatter
- 3x Will
- 1x Cancel
- 4x Glimmer
- 1x Pull from Tomorrow
- 4x Cast
- 2x Baffling
- 2x Meltdown
- 1x Farm
- 3x Fumigate
- 2x Settle
- 3x Approach
- 4x Farmland
- 4x River
- 2x Hub
- 2x Ipnu
- 6x Island
- 6x Plains
- 2x Ruin
In the end, if I was to buy one of these decks to just play right out of box I would get Counter Surge. If I wanted the best constructed decklist I would buy Vehicle Rush, but it requires upgrading the manabase to compete with Counter Surge. If I want the most monetary value for my $30, but the deck is not good out of box then I would get Hazoret Aggro.
The only deck I would avoid is Second Sun Control because I feel it's no good out of box requiring too many upgrades and Kefnet is a let down. Too bad the Mythic wasn't Torrential Gearhulk.
1 day ago
2 days ago
ulmo, I actually did make an edit of this deck and I was posting it last night before I passed out, it took out the black and put in blue to use Arcane Adaptation. It's so fun, except when you face U/B Scarab God and they steal your Crested Sunmare and Anointer Priest. I got an exile on the first Scarab God, but, I was a fool and used Cast Out instead of Ixalan's Binding. As for the other edits I made, I took out Vraska's Contempt, Renewed Faith, a couple lands, an Anointed Procession, and an Anointer Priest, I added in three
Ugh, I don't want to try and remember all of this, so, I'll remake the deck on TappedOut when I get home and send it to you so you can see it. (That last part was to both ulmo and Spazik008) (I'll test out the Pride Sovereign when I get home)
2 days ago
@mindness looks good, I would like to see Settle the Wreckage somewhere in the deck maybe Essence Scatter, Ixalan's Binding, or Cast Out. Also I made a deck similar but Abzan instead of esper. Abzan Zombie Apocalypse.
3 days ago
So after a long time with my cat deck I really don't like Feral Prowler. I go 4 of on Sacred Cat, 4 Adorned Pouncer, 4 Pride Sovereign, 4 Prowling Serpopard, 4 Metallic Mimic, and 4 Regal Caracal. I find that the rest of the deck is personal choice at this point, and what I mean is, I see most people run these cats. Could be me, but I like my playsets of cats, and the ones present are great. My own paper and MTGO cat deck also include Huatli, Radiant Champion cause she's so good here. The rest are combat tricks/extra ways to draw. The ones I see for you are fine, once again. I like the Verdant Rebirth, but I don't run it myself. Do you not like Blossoming Defense? I realize it works for spot removal, but I find nowadays an extra combat trick or two can push you for the win. I use Shapers' Sanctuary myself, but only as a 1 of, and another in the sideboard. In my current deck my combat tricks are 2 Blossoming Defense, 1 Appeal / Authority, 3 Cast Out, and 1 Prepare / Fight. It's weird but it works. I'm starting to like these spell cards that work from your graveyard, it may make your opponent switch into extra graveyard hate, which is great since this is more tempo/aggro. 2 Radiant Destiny, 1 Shapers' Sanctuary, and 2 Huatli, Radiant Champion are the only non-cats other than the combat tricks.
3 days ago
Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares, Comeuppance, Rout, and Settle the Wreckage would give you some good instant-speed removal, and Banishing Light and Cast Out would give you extra O-Ring effects for pesky permanents. Maybe also a Reconnaissance, Serra's Blessing, and/or Teferi's Protection to smooth out combat.
Mageta the Lion might also be a helpful honorary cat.
Have fun playing!
4 days ago
Well uhm... i guess you are going to play "modern" somehow so...
I can leave you my enrage deck's link here, maybe it can help you: Angry Dinos
5 days ago
You have 5 copies of Cast Out in the deck: 4 mainboard & 1 sideboard