Liliana's Caress

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Legality

Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Liliana's Caress

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life.

DarkKiridon on Any discard payoffs on mono …

2 months ago

There's also Dark Deal and the Waste Not on a stick for yourself creature: Bone Miser.

The Raven Man

Megrim is the other Liliana's Caress for one more mana if you need it.

Painful Quandary

Tergrid, God of Fright  Flip if you're feeling mean? :)

Rise of the Dark Realms

legendofa on Any discard payoffs on mono …

2 months ago

Waste Not and Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal  Flip are probably the best ones, and Liliana's Caress and Geth's Grimoire are worth considering.

Keep in mind that if you want to ensure that your opponents keep discarding, you need to make sure they have cards to discard. That Waste Not doesn't do anything if your opponents aren't moving their hands. If you want to keep your opponents' hands empty so they can't do anything, Shrieking Affliction and The Rack are the win cons of the 8-Rack deck.

So my next questions are, do you want to punish discarding and gain tempo and resources, or do you want to enforce empty hands and play control? Commander has room for overlap, but it's common to lean toward one or the other. And how competitive do you want this to be?

Davinoth on Davros, the Dastardly Dalek [Group Slug EDH]

2 months ago

Necramus: That's a card I hadn't considered! I love BCA!

It kind of falls into a category of cards with Liliana's Caress and Megrim, where it makes it more beneficial for my opponents to let me draw a card at the end step. Similarly (albeit a lot more than the two examples I gave lol) it doesn't necessarily help me achieve Davros' trigger up front.

It is a very powerful card but I feel it would often end up just being a "win-more" piece in the deck. I'm gonna think hard on that one! :)

legendofa on no hand ever

7 months ago

Once you get your opponent's hand empty, they're probably going to be drawing and playing one cards a turn, so there's no actual discard for Liliana's Caress. Caress wants your opponent to be discarding a lot, which means your opponent needs to refill their hand once in a while. Since this deck looks like it's trying to get the opponents hand empty, rather than constantly discarding, The Rack or Shrieking Affliction would probably be more reliable. If you want to build around Caress, cards like Dark Deal or Baleful Mastery might help here.

Acquisitions Expert is slightly better than Corrupt Court Official, if you want to keep the creature base the same.

Depending on budget, Liliana of the Veil is more reliable discard than Dreamstealer here, and the Orcish Bowmasters in the maybeboard are a good deterrent for, hmm, pretty much everything. Still $60+ each, though.

legendofa on madness ruling

7 months ago

When you discard a card with madness, you put it into exile instead of your graveyard, then you get a choice. You can put it into your graveyard, and nothing else happens. Or, you can cast it from exile by paying the madness cost. If you choose to cast from exile, it acts like another other cast spell--it goes to the stack and resolve normally.

This still counts as discarding for stuff like Liliana's Caress or Hollow One, even though it doesn't go to the graveyard. Also, older madness cards, like Brain Gorgers, have slightly outdated wording. New madness cards, like Alms of the Vein, have updated wording.

legendofa on Reinvented wheel

8 months ago

xipee808 The flash does help a lot. And I might be underestimating it. But I will suggest, like you mention, running the full playset is probably too much. Hullbreacher cuts into the mill plan (but I see the Laboratory Maniac in the sideboard) and the draw-damage pressure. I think I see where you're coming from, but just to be sure, could you explain the intended use step by step?

What I see is:

You're in a good spot now, you have resources and your opponent should be on the defense. A lot of those resources rely on your opponent having a reasonably discardable hand, though, so I assume you want to swing with Tourach and/or feed an Exsanguinate and end the game quickly.

I have to admit, I have more experience with pure discard than with wheels, so I might just need to see it in action, but I see Hullbreacher being a 1- or 2-of at most as a finisher, and not as part of the control plan.

How do you get your opponents to discard without them drawing for more than one turn, if you can "wheel and gain from Liliana's Caress and other enchantments"? Once they discard, their hand is empty, and Breacher stops them from significantly refilling their hand.

Still, this is a solid looking deck, so nice work! Have you been able to use it in live matches a lot?

legendofa on Reinvented wheel

8 months ago

One thought about Hullbreacher here is that it almost totally negates damage from Underworld Dreams and Sheoldred, the Apocalypse, and quickly gives Liliana's Caress and Waste Not nothing to do.

All these cards want the opponent to be continually drawing and discarding, which Hullbreacher shuts down. It works better as part of a lockdown prison or 8-rack deck alongside cards like Shrieking Affliction or The Rack.

It's still a viable card, and does good things with Sphinx's Tutelage and creates a lock with wheels in general, but I would move it to the sideboard or use it as part of a different deck. If nothing else, this deck should have a way to sacrifice it or get rid of it quickly when you have a bunch of the other payoff cards out.

Jimmithee on Fuck Me Daddy

9 months ago

Liliana's Caress Actually synergises with the commander too.

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