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Liliana's Caress Discussion
2 months ago
2 months ago
Hey, TheoryCrafter, thanks for the comment! First and foremost, I must say that, due to the pandemic, I got very little chance to hang out with my friends to play EDH with, BUT I've continued to follow releases and sets regardless. I came up with an extended update list that I wish I'll be able to share on here too as soon as possible. With this in mind, I'll go onto your comment. I tried to check your deck, but it seems to be private: let me know where to find it and I'll gladly check it out!
Regarding adding cards that give me value when my opponents discard, I tried to avoid them due to the fact that in my pod there is already a Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder wheel/discard deck, so I tried to now follow the same path. Regardless, I have thought about introducing cards like Windfall and Whispering Madness as incremental advantage, but even then, I probably won't include cards like Liliana's Caress .
Graveyard exile effects like Planar Void / Leyline of the Void really mess up my gameplan, since the deck's main wincon relies on using all possible X/X creatures like Consuming Aberration that count cards or creatures in opponent's graveyards (see this deck's description section "The Big Bois"): if graveyards are empty, those creatures won't mill at all. In order to contrast graveyard decks, such that I can mill them without helping them out, I instead included (or will include) cards like Grafdigger's Cage , Weathered Runestone and Silent Gravestone : in this way, graveyards can be full, but nobody will be able to take advantage of it, apart from me.
Evasion is a mild subtheme I will try to add, but instead of Aqueous Form , I was thinking of something more enduring like Thassa, God of the Sea or Dauthi Embrace . It's a good idea, sometimes I face decks with cards that reshuffle graveyards, so being able to knock them out in another way is a good option to have.
As for Ruin Crab and Hedron Crab , I don't really think they mill enough to be relevant during the course of the game, so I left them out. Moreover, I don't run enough fetch-like lands as of now, so I won't really get such an advantage from running those two anyways.
In the update list I mentioned at the start, Fleet Swallower will get swapped out for Maddening Cacophony : it's a good card, can be cats a turn earlier with respect to Swallower and doesn't need haste. The combos are the same as before, so that's a good funcitonal update.
As for tutors, my playgroup banned them. If I were to run some, I would run many other mana-cheaper tutors like Grim Tutor . Regarding commander rules, I have to tell you that, unfortunately, wish effects like the second choice of Mastermind's Acquisition don't work: this is due to the fact that "from outside of the game" really means "from your Sideboard", but in EDH there is no Sideboard. I know, no fun allowed, at least according to WotC.
I'll go onto update the description of this page once I'll get all the new cards I need.
2 months ago
I also have a Phenax deck, though its build more around blue spells. I do have black but most of those spells share blue. If you're still interested I have some suggestions:
If and when you decide to return Jace's Archivist to your deck, you may want to consider adding Liliana's Caress as well. This combo will get around Wheel of Sun and Moon and cards like Cranial Archive by not only forcing your opponent to discard, but cause the opponent to lose life as well.
I know you're not a fan of exiling the graveyard but I hope you will reconsider Planar Void . When your opponents' graveyards are big enough, you play it on the battlefield and it won't affect the cards already in your graveyard.
As for evasion I run Aqueous Form in my deck. It will make a creature like Consuming Aberration unblockable and allows you to scry as it attacks.
Speaking of Consuming Aberration, I once had an opponent exile his own graveyard to kill it. I now keep a Nighthowler in the deck as a fail-safe since it takes your graveyard into account as well as your opponents'.
While I have Altar of the Brood in my deck, I also have Hedron Crab as well and hope to add Ruin Crab at a later date. All of these allow me to have extra mill opportunities either through playing lands like Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse or an extra Phenax activation. If you choose to go all in on this you may want to include, but not limit yourself to Fabled Passage and Grixis Panorama . Use Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to give some of these cards some extra mana production until you're ready to sacrifice them.
Honestly, if you already have Fleet Swallower and Traumatize you might as well add Maddening Cacophony. In fact, even if you only have room for two of the three, MC is the best option of the three because you can use it early in the game, bring it back with Mystic Sanctuary, and then cast it again for it's kicker cost--Which mills everyone's graveyards--later in the game when Fraying Sanity is on the Battlefield.
If you choose to add Diabolic Tutor, Don't forget Mastermind's Acquisition . It's essentially a functional reprint with the added bonus of allowing you to grab a card from outside the game.
Well that's about all I've got. Thank you for reading me out. I really enjoyed your page. The interaction and how well you explain your motivations are the reasons why this became my first deck upvote. Happy Hunting!
3 months ago
With how much discard you're running, I thought I'd suggest Megrim Liliana's Caress and Fell Specter so you can bleed your opponent to death. Works great with Dark Deal which is already in your build.
3 months ago
I've got a couple of ideas for your build. Megrim and Liliana's Caress for bleed whenever they discard. Mind Slash for a sac outlet for Mindslicer and you choose what they discard for 1 black and Geth's Grimoire so you draw off their discard.
3 months ago
I guess it would/ could be considered win more, I think that i'm utilizing Memory Jar for Tergrid and in the deck itself presents both the best card draw and theft effect, I guess I was just considering how to win with it at that point when in reality Tergrid wins through resource theft and denial so yeah I think I could skip over the megrim effects until further notice. also totally forgot about Liliana's Caress , simply a cheaper Megrim good looks on that curve, also forgot about Sangromancer more bang for the buck, you're right.
4 months ago
Have you considered any combination of Fell Specter , Liliana's Caress , Raiders' Wake ? While all of these have the same function as Megrim, Liliana's Caress comes in at 1 mana less; Raiders' Wake may come in 1 mana more than Megrim, but can force multiple discards; and Fell Specter is also a creature.
If your looking for lifegain, Sangromancer could be a boost for Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose.
Also, Syr Konrad, the Grim allows for a damage boost. I used it in a Commander game with Mindcrank and shut down a lot of my opponent's spells through milling.