Liliana's Caress

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Legality

Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Liliana's Caress

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life.

legendofa on Reinvented wheel

3 weeks ago

xipee808 The flash does help a lot. And I might be underestimating it. But I will suggest, like you mention, running the full playset is probably too much. Hullbreacher cuts into the mill plan (but I see the Laboratory Maniac in the sideboard) and the draw-damage pressure. I think I see where you're coming from, but just to be sure, could you explain the intended use step by step?

What I see is:

You're in a good spot now, you have resources and your opponent should be on the defense. A lot of those resources rely on your opponent having a reasonably discardable hand, though, so I assume you want to swing with Tourach and/or feed an Exsanguinate and end the game quickly.

I have to admit, I have more experience with pure discard than with wheels, so I might just need to see it in action, but I see Hullbreacher being a 1- or 2-of at most as a finisher, and not as part of the control plan.

How do you get your opponents to discard without them drawing for more than one turn, if you can "wheel and gain from Liliana's Caress and other enchantments"? Once they discard, their hand is empty, and Breacher stops them from significantly refilling their hand.

Still, this is a solid looking deck, so nice work! Have you been able to use it in live matches a lot?

legendofa on Reinvented wheel

3 weeks ago

One thought about Hullbreacher here is that it almost totally negates damage from Underworld Dreams and Sheoldred, the Apocalypse, and quickly gives Liliana's Caress and Waste Not nothing to do.

All these cards want the opponent to be continually drawing and discarding, which Hullbreacher shuts down. It works better as part of a lockdown prison or 8-rack deck alongside cards like Shrieking Affliction or The Rack.

It's still a viable card, and does good things with Sphinx's Tutelage and creates a lock with wheels in general, but I would move it to the sideboard or use it as part of a different deck. If nothing else, this deck should have a way to sacrifice it or get rid of it quickly when you have a bunch of the other payoff cards out.

Jimmithee on Fuck Me Daddy

1 month ago

Liliana's Caress Actually synergises with the commander too.

legendofa on MBC: 8-Rack

5 months ago

Waste Not wants the opponent to be discarding regularly, not just topdecking with an empty hand. Effects that draw before discarding give it the most juice--Burning Inquiry is probably the best option, but cards like Prismari Command or Lore Broker also could work.

Basically, when you get your opponent's hand empty, do you want to play more restictively or more dynamically? Shrieking Affliction and The Rack want an empty hand, Liliana's Caress and Waste Not want discarding.

Icbrgr on MBC: 8-Rack

5 months ago

Ok today I have been jamming in a crap ton of games with Waste Not.... It's exactly how I remember it and I have such a love/hate for this card. SOMETIMES it works and can draw into the spell that wins the game or provided that life saving/game winning 2/2 token; but when its bad its just terrible... and im assuming Liliana's Caress is worse.

My Issue that I have with it is that I only get 1 or 2 triggers off of it when its in my opening hand and having enabling discard spells to cast. And If I ever find myself in a game state where I have stabilized and topdeck it on Turn four or later... its just a brick whereas drawing into The Rack/Shrieking Affliction either begins the clock of 3 damage/life loss a turn or just greatly accelerates an already existing clock.

Does anyone else have a different experience using these cards? Because I really want to use them but I just feel like either im doing it wrong maybe or just need to move on from them.

Icbrgr on MBC: 8-Rack

5 months ago

oh that's sick! I always disregarded Funeral Charm thinking it was sorcery speed jank... that certainly makes it a lot more interesting now that I look closer at it (I blame the retro boarder lol)... I am coming around to the idea that if not mainboard I will NEED to have some number/combination of Waste Not/Liliana's Caress in the sideboard to bring in for either the opponents artifact hate or Leyline of Sanctity (does anyone run that anymore?).

DMFF on MBC: 8-Rack

5 months ago

Icbrgr when I last tested it, I was running 4x The Rack, 4x Shrieking Affliction and 3x Waste Not, though I feel Waste Not could go down to 2.

Liliana's Caress actually could be a decent idea. I know that you mentioned not knowing of any instant speed discard, so I will be happy to show you Funeral Charm. While the other two modes aren't great, running a copy or two along side Caress could be another viable strategy.

ChocolatePuma on MBC: 8-Rack

5 months ago

Icbrgr The 8-rack I had set up was for Legacy and ran almost no creatures, so having multiple copies of The Rack, Shrieking Affliction and Liliana's Caress on the board ended games QUICK. Ideally, my opening hand would have a couple of Dark Rituals, which would lead into Liliana's Caress, and then a bunch of discard cards, ending in my opponent losing close to half their life total on turn one. Hymn to Tourach is quite demoralizing to your opponent too, I would recommend it.

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