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Artifact Creature — Angel
You can't lose the game and your opponents can't win the game.
2 months ago
king-saproling I've listed Platinum Emperion and Platinum Angel in the "flex slots" category of the primer to be swapped out for Recruiter of the Guard and Imperial Recruiter respectively. Swapping these out gives the deck more tutor options and plays more consistently as a result. I do think Moonsilver Key would be another good addition for obvious reasons, but if you had to pick something else to cut, what would it be? I'm currently considering cutting Mirage Mirror for it, but would be curious to hear your thoughts?
The whole reason for the flex slots category is so the deck can be played at higher power levels where infinite combos are more common and acceptable. Otherwise I usually just run the current list (at my LGS and with friends) so games have more variance and are more "fair" for the group.
Kimset That's actually a great idea. Thank you for the suggestion. I also have access to some pretty high quality proxies so that's always an option as well. My problem is I like to own at least one copy of every card I play, so we'll see. You make an excellent point about it being a legit WOTC product. I do like that.
4 months ago
Thats a good point, didn´t thought about Platinum Angel as a downside, but i guess you are right here. Just thought of it as a protection against Phage.
I totaly misunderstood Rule 800.4a too, i saw a post in another deck using it (with exiled), and didn´t questioned it. That was my bad, but in this case it really wouldn't be that bad to get her back.
Do you know how cumultaiv upkeep works together with Irenicus? Rule 101.3. says: Any part of an instruction that’s impossible to perform is ignored. (In many cases the card will specify consequences for this; if it doesn’t, there’s no effect.).. Does this mean they can´t choose to sacrifice the creature and always have to pay for it? But what would happen if they can´t pay it? Or dose this mean the effect simple doesn´t happen?
4 months ago
Good call on Phage, although Endless Whispers would have to sit in my hand in case I already gifted someone her (otherwise, if Page were to die, her former controller could just give her back).
Persecutor feels so-so; it seems mainly useful as a 1v1 pseudo-wincon in the vein of Platinum Angel, with the same weakness to non-sacrifice removal. Giving it out before 1v1 means that two or one of my opponents are being kept alive along with me, which nullifies it's use as a pseudo P-Angel and mostly just necessitating the killing of its controller. Maybe if you give it as a sole gift to someone while giving other people multiple creatures, since they might be tempted to take out the Persecutor trough player removal
Also, note that gifts are returned when their controller dies:
"800.4a When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game and any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end. /.../
(this is fine for the purpose of Phage so w/e)
4 months ago
And you don´t need to worry, if the player dies to Phage the Untouchable, Phage the Untouchable gets exiled when the player die´s to her trigger and the player can´t choose a new target for her with Endless Whispers.
4 months ago
Nine-Finger Keene is awesome and a candidate for my favorite legend of the set. That being said, three colors is quite the restriction as we only have 6 gates in those colors currently (including the 2 noew ones spoiled from this set). This set really needs to go gate crazy if Keene is going to work. Should've been 4 colors at least.
Legion Loyalty: I want to love this card. It's ability is very cool, but at 8 mana, you want your cards to be game ending or catapult you very far ahead on it's own. This requires you to already have a board state of creatures able to attack, and it gets perpetually worse the fewer opponents you have. The card should've been 5-6 mana.
Arhivist of Oghama, new white staple incoming. An excellent little value/tax piece.
Ascend from Avernus is an awesome mass reanimation spell and probably the best in white.
The various Orbs of Dragonkind are quite nice. Since dragons are costly, giving one haste (red orb) or hexproof until your next turn (green orb) are really nice effects. The blue orb is nice for value, but not on the same level as the red and green ones.
Displacer Kitten is going to be a problem, calling it now.
Campfire seems like a great card for all of those high cmc commanders. Phage the Untouchable especially likes it.
4 months ago
4 months ago
Hi decidingtoast! Thanks for the comments and suggestions! Idol of Oblivion is a great card in a token deck. Nonetheless, while we make angel tokens as much as is reasonable, we only do so in the most efficient ways, and I think tying draw to token generation will result in inconsistent draw. This ties into a misconception about the deck. I think some builds online that I've seen really try to go out on tokens. While free tokens are indeed great with Giada since she pumps them, she doesn't really incentivize them over cast angels. Since angel tokens are big and fly, game design makes them more difficult to generate, and if we leaned more into this theme we'd be committing a lot of mana to it and would be slowing down the deck quite a bit. Instead we really only play Angelic Accord effects where we get free angel tokens from our life gain, which synergizes with both the angel piece of our theme and the life-gain aspects of the deck. I've only recently added Eye of Vecna so the jury is still out, but its not even close to painful due to our life gain, and is unconditional and consistent, even if we do have to pay each time, which is the downside of the card. Nonetheless paying for our cards is a thing in white, and at least with Eye since its an upkeep trigger we'll always have the mana to pay if we want to (whereas if we gain life with Dawn of Hope out after tapping out it won't do us much good, since we won't be able to pay the ). Tome of Legends, on the other hand, is a card I have a lot of experience of and is nothing short of amazing. Since Giada flys and has vigilance we can usually attack with her every turn, and can then tap her to cast more angels during our second main phase, meaning we'll always have the counters to power it and will basically get one card for every turn, which is a great rate.
As for Faceless Haven, the reason this card is a consideration for the deck is because of a wacky combo with Snow-Covered Plains and The Book of Exalted Deeds. Basically if we make a haven a creature, we can then sac the book to put a divinity counter on it. At the end of turn it will revert to being a land but will keep the counter, basically meaning we have a land version of Platinum Angel. Since land destruction is less common this will be a major barrier to our opponents winning the game by any means, which gives us time to destroy them. Committing to Snow-Covered Plains is also seen as beneficial because for decks running Extraplanar Lens Snow Plains are seen as beneficial since they don't help your opponents. Both the book and Faceless Haven are tutorable with Search for Glory, which can help with putting this together.
There really isn't much of an argument against running this combo, and Mutavault would make it more consistent, so that's a good call! So far I haven't quite felt committed enough to pick up the set of snow plains and these cards, but having two ways to do it could push me over the edge. I'll definitely put Mutavault on the maybe board.
4 months ago
Drumbellower is a bit of a Seedborn Muse for sure, albeit for creatures only and in this case we don't have dorks to re-use for mana. Still, it could be an interesting engine in support of something, and white has a lot of tapping/untapping synergies. I'll have to ponder that! It's a cool card. It might be nice in some of my other aggro decks, and maybe here.
I forgot about Together Forever! I pulled a foil promo version of that out of a Battlebond prerelease kit, and had never found a use for it, but its perfect here! It can also protect Giada, which is an added plus. I've found in my limited play so far that the deck goldfishes past, but the card draw is slower than I'd like, and getting targeted and blow out is a constant concern. This card makes Sephara, Sky's Blade even better. The Ozolith is another great counters card that I forgot about. Extraplanar Lens is great, and definitely an auto-include once I can swing the price. It's be nice if Wizards actually reprinted it for a change. That Faceless Haven trick is neat! Stapled a Platinum Angel to a land for and make them play land destruction of they hope to beat you. That's a cool idea which I might do, especially since I'm playing the Book anyway.
Thanks again all for comments, suggestions, upvotes, and adds!