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Each player returns to play all artifact, creature, enchantment, and land cards that were put into his or her graveyard from play this turn.
Second Sunrise Discussion
4 days ago
Oh yep yep, I'm quite familiar with British slang so I get it. I.. still think it's both extraordinarily dumb and fun in equal parts, but I get it.
Right so, anywho, I've had a look at the deck. There are three main points I'd like to address.
The first and overarching point is consistency in the deck. There are a number of good effects that are useful, but only on a couple of cards. For example, Brought Back is a good card on its own (and I appreciate that it is the best of the three), but I think if you specifically want this effect then it would probably be worth running Faith's Reward and Second Sunrise too. If not, then it might be worth cutting in favour of some consistency in other areas, or perhaps more interaction. COntinuing along with this, for another Arcane Lighthouse effect, there's Detection Tower . For the Geode Golem effect, there's Command Beacon . For Ghostly Prison , there's Windborn Muse and perhaps Sphere of Safety ; either I think you should be running both there Sphere & Hall of Heliod's Generosity or neither. Considering the main goal of the deck seems to be wiping the board and gaining life, even though these are the most consistent elements of the deck, I think that probably it could still do with a few more of each.
Another thing is just a bit of consistency in your mana rocks to make a ladder. I'm not sure what the common lingo for that is, but the idea is to have multiple mana rocks at 2CMC, and multiple at 4. The idea being you play a 2CMC mana rock on turn 2 (or turn 1 if you have a Mana Crypt or Sol Ring , because those are amazing and defy any other plans and go in every deck if you have them), then follow up with a 4CMC rock on turn 3. Though there are plenty of good mana rocks at 3CMC for their cost, usually it's better to get a 4CMC rock down if you can consistently ramp into it.
Finally, your commander connecting for lethal commander damage seems to be you main win condition, so I think you might need a few more ways of making this happen. There aren't many other voltron thingies in your deck, so because you aren't that worried about having to target your commander with things, Whispersilk Cloak seems pretty much perfect for this. Trailblazer's Boots are also pretty good. Haunted Cloak is in there, so maybe consider Chariot of Victory as well.
Anyway yeah I'll leave it at that and stop rambling now, but can go into it a bit more if you like. I hope this helps, have fun with the deck!
3 weeks ago
Hey guys, I play commander almost exclusively and as a result I am pretty lost when it comes to other formats.
I found a sweet synergy between the cards Squandered Resources or Overlaid Terrain , Lotus Cobra , and Second Sunrise . The end result is that it can generate an insane amount of mana and cast Emrakul, the Aeons Torn on turn three.
The problem is that Squandered Resources , Overlaid Terrain , and Second Sunrise are not modern legal. What format should this deck be played in? and is there any payoff other that Emrakul, the Aeons Torn I should be running?
1 month ago
Now you may have noticed Bishop of Wings and Divine Visitation makes for an interesting combination, why not further abuse it with Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar (or even Spawning Pit ) and you can go infinite. on their own they're also not half bad trading tokens and no longer important creatures for ramp. You can also run Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward to further abuse the sac outlets while also being board wipe protection.
1 month ago
The first thing I notice is that your mana rocks are less than ideal. The Talisman cycle is good, and I'm glad you included it; however, Chromatic Lantern is a questionable inclusion. You have a lot of non-basic lands to help your mana-fixing situation, and three-mana rocks are significantly worse than two-mana rocks. I think you'd be better off running Orzhov Signet , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone or even Thought Vessel .
Gamble is an excellent tutor for any red deck, and I think you should strongly consider running it. Enlightened Tutor is expensive, but it'll help tutor up some of the curses you want to use. Similarly, Replenish is an expensive card, but it has a Second Sunrise effect without the requirement to cast it on the turn an opponent died. Academy Rector helps grab Overwhelming Splendor early.
I think Ancient Tomb is (almost) strictly better than Ancient Tomb . If you have access, you should try swapping them. Prismatic Vista is way better than Evolving Wilds , so you should run it if you can. Silent Clearing is good in addition to your Sunbaked Canyon . You have a bunch of double-colored-mana-costs; consider running Reflecting Pool as a sort of ETB untapped tri-land.
Card-draw/selection is at a premium in EDH. Consider Painful Truths , Night's Whisper , Read the Bones , Twilight Prophet and Faithless Looting . In all likelihood, your general and Phyrexian Arena will take care of most of your card draw; however, having a few other sources of card advantage is good.
Crackling Doom is a Mardu card I always liked -- it acts as a 3-for-1 in most games, and aims at the fattest creatures your opponents have. Fire Covenant , Ashes to Ashes and By Force are similar X-for-1s. Despark is an interesting removal spell, and may be great depending on your meta.
Blind Obedience is good as a source of life and as a stax piece. It hoses a lot of decks, including mine (I play artifact-based storm), and has generally impressed me.
Reanimation enchantments may be interesting with all your enchantment recursion. Being able to repeatedly cast Animate Dead , Dance of the Dead or Necromancy seems pretty good, especially if you have ETB or death-triggers on the creatures you target. Your Sun Titan and Bitterheart Witch are pretty good with the reanimation cards; adding Grave Titan or Massacre Wurm would make it better.
Alright. That's all from me. Good luck!
1 month ago
Thank you for your comment and for you ideas. I appreciate it and will follow your advices.
Unfortunately I had time to play just three games with this deck and twice my Birds of Paradise or Dryad Arbor got hit by a Lightning Bolt or similar card. I love Bloom Tender but it usually eats removal asap (any card that may generate more than 1 mana is usually hated in my meta). Anyway I need some chump blockers and if I use more mana dorks, some of them could survive .. I had some bad experience when I used to play Prossh in the same meta and at the end I had to avoid mana dorks as much as possible, otherwise everybody was killing my ramp.
Second Sunrise and Faith's Reward - both are great suggestions, I have Teferi's Protection in my collection, so it could be even better than any of the forementioned cards (since I have almost no ETB creatures). You are right with Swords to Plowshares , I will switch it immediately. Gaddock Teeg should fit in as well.
When I goldfished this deck the card draw was the biggest issue. When I have creature tutor and some enchantments, I am able to draw a lot of cards. In one of my other decks (Bant Enchantress Combo v2.1) I was using self returning enchantments to be able to draw some cards with enchantresses (when I had no enchantment in my hands). I am thinking about Flickering Ward - it would give me evasion (I may choose the color protection based on color of defending player's creatures) and with an enchantress on battlefield I may return it to my hand and play again. Crown of Flames seems to be another option as well. I am considering Runic Armasaur . It could draw a few cards in every game and 2/5 is quite ok for blocking.
Some other card draw possibilities:
- Colossal Majesty is slow and I need to have Uril on the battlefield.
- I am tempted to run Selvala, Explorer Returned , it is ramp & card draw, but it's slow and gives cards to my opponents as well.
- Do you think that it would be worth to add Mesa Enchantress ? I don't like the double cost and I am not sure if I need another enchantress.
This deck is my second / third deck which I want to play as maybe 75 %, not cEDH. Anyway I want to win some games and in all the games so far Uril got a lot of hate, because everybody was afraid what happens when he hits the field. Right now I want to avoid mass land destruction, but it maybe needed in the end. Realm Razer seems to be ok. The lands are not destroyed, but it's not possible to use them and if anybody has an instant removal, he may float some mana and then kill it.
1 month ago
I’m really surprised you aren’t running mana dorks; this is what makes green a color worth playing in EDH. Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , Fyndhorn Elves , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Arbor Elf , Orcish Lumberjack and Bloom Tender all ramp harder than artifacts ever can — these should be strongly considered, and likely played. Note that Arbor Elf gets a lot better with Utopia Sprawl or Wild Growth on a forest. I advise removing Coalition Relic and/or Talisman of Conviction to make room.
If you choose to add dorks, thirty-six lands will be too many. I’d cut at least three or as many as five, depending on your preference.
Swords to Plowshares is better than Path to Exile in EDH. Ramping an opponent is very dangerous in a format where people routinely go big, and 5 or so life points don’t typically matter — especially if you aim to kill with commander damage.
It says in your description you find this deck too slow for cEDH. While the current build may be, there’re ways to slow down opponents to the point where you’re winning the long-game. Root Maze , Rule of Law , Stony Silence and Blood Moon are all powerful enchantments to slow down your opponents, though the last one does need a crafted mana base. Since you’re not playing off-color fetches or planeswalkers, Suppression Field is on the table. Gaddock Teeg is infamous among my friends for holding off pretty much every boardwipe, with the important exception of Toxic Deluge . Other hatebears (like Aven Mindcensor or Spirit of the Labyrinth ) should also be considered.
Card draw/filtering in Naya is typically pretty difficult. Faithless Looting is a card you should consider, as it makes a lot of marginal opening hands significantly better. Adding Gamble is typically an improvement for card-selection. However, GSZ+ Argothian Enchantress , which you already have, is a real good draw-engine in this deck.
This seems like a good deck to run Cataclysm . With Uril out and an enchantment on him, it’s likely to seal the game in your favor. Same goes for Armageddon / Ravages of War . Fair warning, though: All three of these cards tend to produce salt, and even if they don’t, they’re hard to play with and need practice using.
Punishing Fire with Grove of the Burnwillows is a synergy I’ve always wanted to pull off in EDH, but I don’t typically play Gruul. I recommend trying it, as it seems that it could be very powerful in the right sort of meta, though also very week in the wrong sort.
Good luck, man. I gotta go, but if you need more help I’ll take another look.
2 months ago
I love Kaalia! +1
Some cards to consider are
Angel of Serenity great three for one spot removal
Moonveil Dragon because it's disgusting lol
Doom Whisperer can give you card selection
Unburial Rites can help after a boardwipe as well
Lord of the Void seems nasty in the right meta
Hope this helps!
2 months ago
MahBoi100 Like Jack the Ripper, let's go by parts:
The first three cards are removal spells, we are not trying to control the board, we are trying to conduct towards a result that benefits us.
I really like the idea of Varchild, you strengthens your opponents while protecting yourself.
Scheming is nice and dangerous at the same time.
Crown didn't create any value for your own.
Mathas attract to much attention.
Flash is CMC 6, that's too heavy, but it's a alternative to Word of Seizing , a card that saw a lot of play in this deck in the past.
You blowed my mind with Master Warcraft , excellent card for the aikido strategy.
Disharmony is like a fog of one creature or a removal spell, since you can get and block another attacking creature with it, both of the effects has better options in magic.
Soul Snare I like the reason behind the use of this card. Nice!
Encircling Fissure you usually don't have creatures to abuse of this, but it's a nice fog, can enter in the place of other.
Treacherous and mindclaw are heavy, cmc 5, and a shot in the dark.
Coveted act likes the monarch itself, a second monarch for 6 manas.
Second Sunrise occurrence in decks from the last year
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