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Wrexial, the Risen Deep
Legendary Creature — Kraken
Islandwalk, swampwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls an Island or a Swamp.)
Whenever Wrexial, the Risen Deep deals combat damage to a player, you may cast target instant or sorcery card from that player's graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that card would be put into a graveyard this turn, exile it instead.
UltimateRoxas40 on
Eldritch Captain of the Deep [Lovecraftian Primer]
9 months ago
Yeah, I've thought about cutting creatures like Wrexial, the Risen Deep or The Haunt of Hightower, since they are fairly high CMC and aren't Horrors. But they have strong ties to the Lovecraftian side of this deck, so I'd feel bad cutting them.
In any case, step 1 would be to actually get a copy of Lim-Dul's Vault first haha.
DreadKhan on
The Quackening
1 year ago
I have a Quest for Ula's Temple deck which does some similar things, I liked Dreamscape Artist because it can reshuffle your library as needed, incase you don't have a relevant creature to work with on top. It's technically only 1 mana and a card to Harrow (you get back 2 untapped lands, so it can also helping mana fixing) Blue, and I could be wrong but I think your Commander wants the odd Discard outlet too. A worse (but still potentially useful) piece of Blue ramp is Apprentice Wizard, it's not as good as Dreamscape, it's like Worn Powerstone, which is a good rock if you want bigger ramp to potentially cast a big creature a bit sooner. Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus are big ramp rocks with decent ratios. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Cabal Coffers are pretty good together, if you have a lot of devotion to a colour Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx can help, Deserted Temple can untap any land that makes extra mana. Less rampy and more of a big Scry effect, Soothsaying is a neat card if you care about your deck order. Scroll Rack is better but costs more.
Just a general idea, you might throw in things like Reconnaissance Mission, Bident of Thassa, and Coastal Piracy along with some Unblockable or Shadow creatures (Thalakos and Dauthi are the Blue and Black tribes). You can also throw in stuff like Sword of the Animist, Dowsing Dagger Flip, Prying Blade, Goldvein Pick, Grim Hireling, and any other attack payoffs you can find to generate more value over time. I understand you want a sea-monster theme, but you might want a way to draw some cards/get in some chip damage to soften people up. The only drawback to Shadows is that they can't chump block. If you really want your evasive creatures to be able to chump, there are some small flyers like Spectral Sailor and Thousand-Faced Shadow that have other upsides, these are risk free but are way less evasive than Shadows.
On that note, if you're worried about getting attacked you might look at Propaganda, War Tax, Flood, and Fatespinner are all great ways to make you hard to attack. Mass Diminish, Polymorphist's Jest, Sudden Spoiling, AEtherize, Aetherspouts are all great cards for people to fear.
Callous Oppressor is a funny repeatable theft effect, Ritual of the Machine and Helm of Possession can both steal stuff and are great with tokens, Thieving Skydiver can steal an artifact creature fwiw, Sower of Temptation is a so-so theft effect that shines bright if you can flicker or bounce it, Thalakos Deceiver is probably way better since he permanently steals whatever and can be reanimated, Inevitable Betrayal and Bribery are both pretty sweet.
The biggest (and perhaps best) theft effects are Mass Manipulation and Cultural Exchange, exchange requires bodies but can also be used aggressively to just ruin two players' boards.
Inkwell Leviathan, Lochmere Serpent, Spawning Kraken, Stormtide Leviathan, and Wrexial, the Risen Deep are some relevant creatures I use, some are better than others but there is nothing as bad as Sea Serpent or Bog Serpent, both cards I love but don't use.
If you like Whelming Wave, you might like Spectral Deluge as well.
Hope some of this helps, Big Dimir is a fun deck!
K1ngMars on
"Library.exe has stopped working" | Phenax Primer
1 year ago
Hi Syndras, thanks for the comment and sorry for the (very late) reply.
Regarding Bloodchief Ascension, I agree with you with both observations: in fact, I tend to never play that card on turn one as all my opponents will just start attacking me. However it happens sometimes that I am able to get some form of large blocker early on against aggro decks, at which point they are forced to attack else where and "gift" me one or two counters. I can rarely get the enchantment to three counters, as that generally means I immediately win/kill someone, but that speaks to its undoubted power. Moreover, it is a good lightning rod for removal, for just one . Do not forget, that due to how life exchange works, Tree of Perdition's effect meets the condition of "life loss" required by Bloodchief Ascension, so long as the opponent we are targeting has at least 15 life.
As for Ruin Crab, albeit being powerful in 60 card formats, it is generally too little too late for commander, at least in my opinion, unless you start looping large amounts of lands, something probably more suited for a Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck.
Regarding Bitter Ordeal, actually the main issue is that Gravestorm counts each permanent put into a graveyard this turn, but milled cards, despite featuring permanent card types are not permanents since they do not go to the graveyard from the battlefield, and as such do not count towards Gravestorm. Moreover, as you already said, due to my playgroup's additional rules, this card is not playable as it would count as a "reverse tutor".
Captain N'ghathrod is certainly interesting, as it could provide incidental advantage to the 5 Horrors in the deck. However, the most important effect would be its last ability, which albeit powerful, would probably suffer from the same fate as Wrexial, the Risen Deep. I will keep an eye on it, I could try it out and see how it performs, thanks for the suggestion.
Gilver on
Between Bad And Worse
2 years ago
thefiresoflurve
Well, Sol Ring is really the only exception and has a place in every single deck (included in every precon) xD. Things like Mana Crypt is what I am really talking about.
The problem with Ancient Brass Dragon is that you don't really want to cheat it in early game, however, it can be great during mid to late game to help you revive your dead BigStuff or dead threats of your opponents. Gyruda, Doom of Depths helps me to build up graveyards and is great if you can cheat in Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni or Wrexial, the Risen Deep later on to use the milled cards of your opponents. I was unsure about Ancient Silver Dragon, it is acutally an insane effect but cards like Magus of the Wheel could be fearful if you draw 10+ cards every turn or you might even end up with 0 cards in your deck at some point xD. I was really not a fan of its effect but it is still a pretty good option to run in Satoru Umezawa. Thanks for the suggestions, appreciate it!
Epicurus on
Always Loot the Bodies
2 years ago
Misconception Thanks for the comment!
You are absolutely right about Commander's Sphere. I have trouble thinking about that when I'm only in two colors. I'll make that swap ASAP.
Lavaz is good, but I removed it at some point to fit something else in (though I don't remember what it was). Honestly, I like Dimir Doppelganger better. And I have a solid balance of grave robbing already. I may replace Wrexial, the Risen Deep with him at some point, because I don't usually get a lot of value out of Wrexial.
I hadn't heard of Sepulchral Primordial until just now, so I'll give that guy some consideration. The CMC is a bit steep, and I don't have a ton of ramp, which is by design.
Frankly, I've been thinking about removing Teferi's Tutelage altogether. It tends to sit in my hand. So if I do, I don't think I'd replace it with a similar effect.
Removal of any kind is always good, so if I do cut the Tutelage, perhaps Feed the Swarm could be what I could add.
Cheers!
Epicurus on
Satoru Umezawa, the green ninja
2 years ago
A couple evasion creatures that I like to use with Ninjutsu are Soulsworn Spirit and Fogwalker, because of their reusable ETB triggers on top of being unlockable (or, at least hard to block, in the case of Fogwalker).
As for your big creatures, the Eldrazi are all awesome just for having big bodies, but remember that you don't get the "as you cast" triggers when you use Ninjutsu to cheat them onto the battlefield, nor would their attack triggers activate (i.e. Annihilator). So I would limit how many of them you use down to just Kozilek, the Great Distortion, because it has a good activated ability. I'd replace the others with creatures that either have ETB triggers or damage triggers.
I have a running list of creatures I'd like to use for Satoru, but I don't want to name off a million cards. The highlights, though, are:
And even that is a long list, so I apologize. Obviously, Palinchron would be great, even without the combo(s), but you already mentioned that.
Cheers!
multimedia on
2 years ago
Hey, nice version, you have 13 ways to help to setup Runo to transform including Rack, lots of counterspells including Drain, plenty of reanimation and the five best huge sea monsters (Hullbreaker, Spawning, Depths, Junk, Stormtide) to copy with Krothuss. The amount of ramp is a little low, but if it's working for you then great.
A unique interaction with Krothuss are effects that let him copy himself and since he's a Kraken each time he does it he creates two copies of himself. This can get out of hand quick since then each copy of Krothuss can copy Krothuss or other Krothusses resulting in tons of attacking Krothusses. To be able to do this you must remove the legendary rule or control a nonlegendary Krothuss to copy. Sakashima of a Thousand Faces, Spark Double and Mirror Box achieve these effects with Sakashima/Box removing the legendary rule and Spark becoming a nonlegendary Krothuss.
Box is new a card in new set NEO and it also increases the p/t of original Krothuss for each copy of himself making original Krothuss huge. Sakashima can also become a copy of Krothuss. The drawback of Sakashima/Box is if an opponent removes one of these cards then all the legendary copies of Krothuss are also removed leaving only original Krothuss in your control.
Spark is different than the others because it becomes a nonlegendary Krothuss. When you copy nonlegendary Krothuss with a Krothuss it creates token copies of nonlegendary Krothuss. If opponent removes Spark it doesn't remove all the copies of nonlegendary Krothuss, they must also be removed.
These three cards have just as much interaction with other legendary creatures such as Wrexial, the Risen Deep or even Marit Lage.
Hullbreaker Horror can be much more devastating to your opponents by adding one card, Everflowing Chalice or any other 0 CMC artifact, preferably a mana rock such as Mana Crypt. When you control two or more Hullbreakers thanks to Krothuss then Chalice + Sol Ring is infinite casts to bounce all your opponent's nonland permanents. You can keep doing this combo on your main phases to deny your opponents from having nonland permanents including blockers.
Hullbreaker + Sol + Chalice is infinite casts as well as infinite colorless mana without needing to control another Hullbreaker since each time Sol taps for mana before it's bounced it pays for itself + one extra colorless. If you control another mana rock that can ETB untapped such as Arcane Signet then infinite colorless can be infinite blue/black mana. Instead of bouncing Sol, bounce Arcane + Chalice (tapping Arcane for mana before it's bounced). When you add another Hullbreaker that's when things get scary for your opponents.
I'm a big fan of Lazotep Plating in blue, it's really underrated as a protection spell for all permanents you control and it can also protect you. Which can be huge protection if an opponent's infinite combo win condition requires to target you such Aetherflux or Artist.
If you're interested in adding any of these cards here's some possible cuts to consider: Disentomb, Essence Scatter, Nemesis of Reason, Fleet Swallower, Wizard Class.
You have plenty of powerful reanimation, Disentomb isn't needed. You have many excellent counterspells, Scatter isn't needed. Nemesis and Swallower only trigger when they're declared as attackers meaning that when copied by Krothuss those attacking copies don't trigger. In my opinion this makes these creatures too slow to get value from them with Krothuss.
Good luck with your deck.
theGentlemanSeal on
Devoted to two Gods
2 years ago
Great deck!
Helm of the Ghastlord would be a great addition to beef up all your blue/black creatures. Also, Oona's Gatewarden is an easy fit in here. Some more dimir fundamentals would be Baleful Strix, Cemetery Puca, Dimir Guildmage, or Dimir Guildmage.
In terms of finisher cards, you could add: Gyruda, Doom of Depths, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Dragonlord Silumgar, Silumgar, the Drifting Death, Ghastlord of Fugue, Blizzard Specter, Dire Undercurrents,
A version of the deck will a mill wincon could also make use of Ashiok, Dream Render, Phenax, God of Deception, Lurking Informant, Nemesis of Reason, Psychic Drain, Mind Grind, Nightveil Specter, and the many more mill focused cards from across blue and black.
A deck that leans more into flash could use Slitherwisp.
Overall, I quite like and want to see it down the line!
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