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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Common|
|Core Set 2019 (M19)||Common|
|Rivals of Ixalan (RIX)||Common|
|Commander 2017 (C17)||Uncommon|
|Hour of Devastation (HOU)||Common|
|Oath of the Gatewatch (OGW)||Uncommon|
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Cinder Barrens enters the battlefield tapped.
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Cinder Barrens Discussion
3 weeks ago
I don't see the use in adding white as an extra color for a creature here.
What I would do is remove Leonin Squire , Arid Mesa , Godless Shrine , Plains , and Sacred Foundry . Substitute the creature with one of these: - Trading Post - Skeleton Shard - Fortuitous Find - Myr Retriever , OR - Scrap Trawler
The Arid Mesa , Godless Shrine , Plains , and Sacred Foundry can be traded out for mountains and swamps, as well as: - Cinder Barrens - Canyon Slough (this has Cycling, so would be good for drawing) - Akoum Refuge - Blackcleave Cliffs - Bloodfell Caves - Dragonskull Summit , AND/OR - Buried Ruin , which would give you additional room to return artifacts
1 month ago
Made some changes according to what I could get my hands on. For the time being, removing everything in my "Maybe" list.
Added in Rekindling Phoenix , Squee, Goblin Nabob , Feldon of the Third Path , Lightning Greaves , Bloodhall Ooze , Reassembling Skeleton , Bloodcrazed Paladin , Mastermind's Acquisition , Liliana, Dreadhorde General , Second Harvest , Casualties of War , Spore Frog , Gluttonous Troll , Cinder Barrens , and another Swamp. My mana base still favors red a bit but with my mountains so low, I think it will work. I should be able to play the deck for the first time next week!
3 months ago
Alright, let's get down to it! Anje Falkenrath is relatively new and I'm not yet sold on her validity as a vampire commander. My primary hang up is the overall weakness of madness as a mechanic. It is still critically underrepresented on cards, and of those that do exist only a handful are actually any good. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I am skeptical that it can compete with existing vampire archetypes.
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I try and avoid tap lands at all costs if possible. When running a low-to-the-ground deck like this, the loss of tempo from a tap land can be more damaging than the loss of color availability. In addition, I would discourage the use of artifact lands unless you are going for a specific artifact theme. This is simply because artifact lands are easier to destroy than regular lands and aren't worth the risk with literally no benefit in this particular list.
- Ancient Ziggurat
- Blood Crypt
- Bloodstained Mire
- Graven Cairns
- Luxury Suite
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
I feel that any of these lands would be strong adds to your list. While some of the cards are a bit on the pricey side, I do feel they would improve the flow and power level of the deck.
- Bloodcrazed Neonate
- Bloodhall Priest
- Bloodsworn Steward
- Erdwal Ripper
- Falkenrath Reaver
- Heir of Falkenrath Flip
- Incorrigible Youths
- Markov Crusader
- Stromkirk Mentor
Many of these creatures are either too costly or too under-powered for this format. It is important to remember that in EDH, efficiency is key. I would discourage playing any creature that falls short of the formula (Power+Toughness)/2=Converted Mana Cost (e.g. A 2/2 for two mana or better) unless it is especially crucial for your deck to function.
In addition impact is crucial. Bloodhall Priest for example is fairly costed, but doesn't do enough to advance your board state for the cost.
- Champion of Dusk
- Cordial Vampire
- Dusk Legion Zealot
- Malakir Bloodwitch
- Stromkirk Occultist
- Twilight Prophet
- Vicious Conquistador
These creatures are all what I would describe as impactful or highly efficient. When I mean impactful, cards like Malakir Bloodwitch make a big splash when they hit and are still relevant after the fact due to their efficient bodies. In terms of efficiency, Vicious Conquistador can put in a lot of work in the early game as a cheap, go-wide card.
I don't have any good tips for adds here, but I would encourage you to look for modal or mass effect type cards for this category.
These all seem like good choices to me and many of them double as potential madness triggers essentially negating their downsides.
Basilisk Collar is a solid equipment, but this is neither a voltron nor combo build that can effectively utilize it. I like Eldrazi Monument for its power; however, you lack the ability to produce enough fodder to sustain it long-term. Finally, Rakdos Cluestone is simply outclassed by other mana rocks, most notably my suggestion Talisman of Indulgence .
Herald's Horn is just a good card in any tribal deck and I would highly recommend it!
My overall impression is that you've got a decent base here, but have made several choices that I see a lot of new EDH players make in their early decks. In general, you could use more card draw and I would encourage you to take a look at EDHREC or other vampire decks on here for inspiration in terms of what kinds of effects truly shine in EDH versus other formats.
3 months ago
I really want to get some Priest of the Forgotten Gods for the deck. I’ve considered Judith, the Scourge Diva and Cruel Celebrant but initially dismissed the life drain effect since I like be more aggressive with cards like Falkenrath Aristocrat . I’ll definitely look into getting a few copies of them both.
I thought about using Fatal Push , but for my playgroup meta Tragic Slip is going to more effective against my groups Dino and indestructible focused decks. Spark Harvest replaced Bone Splinters since my playgroup uses a lot of planeswalkers. Dreadbore could be good so I’ll keep an eye out for those as well. My main goal is to get two more copies of Falkenrath Aristocrat and focus on sacrificing the humans like Doomed Traveler and Hunted Witness . Seraph of the Scales is awesome, but is also out of my budget. I like having Martyr of Dusk just in case my opponent has a way around Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet ’s zombie engine and it’s saved me a few times. Same with Shamble Back but I am looking for a better alternative since I don’t always have a creature ready to exile for it.
Thank you for the recommendations!
4 months ago
Check, but I think I don't actually have Talisman of Hierarchy
Replace: read the bones -> Mind Stone
[Worldslayer] -> Arcbond
gorilla war cry -> Worn Powerstone
murderous spoils -> Murder
gilt leaf winnower -> Ravenous Chupacabra
Maybe archetype of courage -> Chief of the Scale
Kill: (need to kill 5, at 105 right now)
8 months ago
May I suggest you Crumbling Necropolis , Frontier Bivouac , Opulent Palace , Savage Lands , Jungle Shrine , Murmuring Bosk , Sandsteppe Citadel , Seaside Citadel , Vivid Grove , Vivid Crag , Vivid Creek , Rupture Spire , Transguild Promenade , Gateway Plaza , Exotic Orchard , Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse
Bloodfell Caves , Cinder Barrens , Dismal Backwater , Forsaken Sanctuary , Foul Orchard , Graypelt Refuge , Highland Lake , Jungle Hollow , Rugged Highlands , Scoured Barrens , Stone Quarry , Submerged Boneyard , Swiftwater Cliffs , Timber Gorge , Tranquil Cove , Wind-Scarred Crag and Woodland Stream .
I think it will increase the consistency of finding your colors. You can even lower your land count to 39 this way.
9 months ago
I don't think it's ever worth it to run Rakdos Guildgate or Cinder Barrens or Urborg Volcano especially since you already have plenty of other better dual lands in the deck. Honestly it's better to even just have basic lands in their place.
9 months ago
cdkime, those are good points. In response:
It's true that new players tend to do that. I'm a very Johnny player and enjoy researching, buying, and trading for singles that make my deck tick, but some people just like to play the cards they have. It never had to be that way with Temple, though. Until it found its way into every Commander product, it had only ever been printed in Scourge. If Wizards was going to let lands from Onslaught Block like fetchlands remain inaccessible to newer players, I don't see a reason they had to put a new supply of Temples out there.
I agree wholeheartedly. I do think that the Bouncelands are good if you have a casual meta, though. They line up horribly against Blood Moon and Strip Mine , but for budget 3-color decks, I think they're a good way to avoid missing land drops in the mid-game. For example, I put them in my dollar Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck.
This one, I have an issue with. I think Temple is worse than a basic land in the vast majority of decks. Fetches and shocks are a manner of fixing, rather than power. Whether you have to fill out your manabase with Cinder Barrens or not shouldn't have bearing over whether or not your deck should be running Temple. If anything, colorless utility lands lose value if you have to run more tapped duals to fix your mana as a result.
I agree entirely, and that's why I think it's so damaging to put Temple in precons. If a new player sees an Ancient Tomb across the table and goes looking for a budget alternative, they'll have to weigh what to cut, and what benefits from the inclusion, which is the right way to evaluate cards.
Cinder Barrens occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.07%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%