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Yawgmoth's Bargain Discussion
22 hours ago
I added Yawgmoth's Bargain as a sink for life for cards. I wanted to be able to draw when I wanted to.
5 days ago
LuketheCool Thanks for the upvote! Instead of looking at Yawgmoth, Thran Physician as the finisher threat, look at him as a massive value machine. He rarely kills anyone himself. Instead, he's like a boardwipe strapped to a Yawgmoth's Bargain for . The deck usually kills by a mix of token swarm and burn to the face, with flashback support for bolts and helixes from Chandra, Acolyte of Flame . The Yawgmoth+Chandra synergy is actually super important to the whole thing.
I've been tinkering with Mardu in modern since Dragons of Tarkir gave us Kolaghan's Command , and this is definitely the most durable iteration I've put together.
1 month ago
@Tyrant-Thanatos, By the same token Iona, Shield of Emeria costs 9 mana and is still on the banlist. In fact if you read the Official Format Philosophy Document of July 2019, nowhere does it mention that a card can only be ban-worthy if it's CMC is low. On the contrary the banlist change of July 2019 states how presuming a card should not be put onto the banlist due to its high casting cost is erroneous thinking in of itself as there are ways to cheat high cost cards into play as well as the fact that a high casting cost alone is not enough of a downside if its effect heavily warps the game in detrimental ways.
I digress, commander does hold a plethora of 2-to-3 card infinite combos, but that doesn't justify every card combo to ever exist. So what if Griselbrand can draw your library with one of any number of cards in deck? Enter the Infinite exists and yet that card isn't banned. Well, the issue is you can't have Enter the Infinite as your commander, nor does it give you a 7/7 flying, lifelink, blocker who can give you said draw power at instant speed when it would be most convenient to do so. If that card draw enabler happens to be Ivory Tower you're going to be gaining absurd amounts of life on top of that. Enter the Infinite doesn't offer any level of protection when it comes to putting your whole deck in your hand while also offering each opponent a turn to respond. Even if you have another card in deck that makes Enter the Infinite even more broken like Quicken it will not ever reach the same level of bustedness as the Griselbrand + Ivory Tower synnergy. Furthermore that would require finding two specific cards in deck whereas Griselbrand already starts in your command zone.
While Yawgmoth's Bargain can still give you the same level of card advantage with Ivory Tower or Venser's Journal it can not be used as your commander nor does it give you an effective chump-blocker to help protect you. On the contrary however in addition to being a potential infinite card draw engine it can also be an oppressive lock-down engine with Words of Waste . It would be one thing if this synergy had you out-right win the game as any game-winning combo piece that can literally draw up it's other half is already problematic in itself. This synergy however is worse as it just flat out denies all opponents from playing the game at an extremely cost-effective rate. If I lose the game to Deceiver Exarch + Splinter Twin I can at least play another game right away, whereas with this combo no one gets to play this game or the next game for an extended period of time unless everyone agrees to give-up their already established board-state and concede. Having one single card with the potential to both create infinite draw and permanently lockdown the game and be able to dig for either of those enablers while taking advantage of your already high starting life total is simply too strong and can not be easily compared to any run-of-the-mill two-card synergy.
1 month ago
Griselbrand and Yawgmoth's Bargain are broken with Ivory Tower . It practically ensures drawing out your entire library for literally no cost or drawback. If you also run Reliquary Tower you can start gaining ridiculous amounts of life every turn to the point non-commander damage doesn't even matter anymore. Throw in a Aetherflux Reservoir or Sickening Dreams as a finisher.
Also Yawgmoth's Bargain creates an instant lock on your opponents with Words of Waste . The two cards can easily remove your opponent's hands and makes it so they never get to play any spells as you can force them to discard the card drawn on their draw step before their main phase. If you have a simple way to gain any kind of life then you've effectively locked everyone else from playing the game. This is one of the big reasons why Yawgmoth's Bargain is banned and not Necropotence as Necropotence doesn't say "draw a card" anywhere making it unable to work with Words of Waste and even if it did you wouldn't be able to draw that card until your endstep - not whenever you want.
1 month ago
I think Griselbrand is kinda in the same boat as Yawgmoth's Bargain . He's harder to get out, and theres more applicable removal, but owwie you can draw 35 cards or more. I like the idea of GriselUnbanned because he would likely be a tier 2 commander, but would it make the Flash hulk decks splash reanimator and just speed up the meta?
How about unbanning Braids before Griselbrand? :D
1 month ago
Fellin22, Hermit Druid maybe be strong, but being such a fragile card, needing a turn of no removal to get around or another piece in a haste enabler and I doubt it is truly a menace to the format. Nearly 0 cEDH lists I have seen in Maximum power run it anymore, as doing so for a major wincon does require a lack of basics and some build around, and that just gets crushed by Back to Basics or Blood Moon , while making painful manabases.
Nerdytimesorwhatever, I agree, I believe in many ways that Flash is an unhealthy card for the format, that or ban its partner Protean Hulk again. Perhaps both. I feel like Channel isn't banned for that reason though, it is banned more along the lines of Yawgmoth's Bargain , where due to the 40 life, it is even more unfair than normal. Not sure, maybe a bit of both. It is also a major reason due to why in the cEDH scene Thrasios/Tymna is by far the best deck.
2 months ago
"When black gets better draw"
Did I just read this string of words?
Why would you make me read this string of words? Yawgmoth's Bargain is banned. As is Griselbrand . You're not going to get better draw power in black than Necropotence without it being banned. I'm not sure why you'd need it though, Necro is quite possibly the best draw card ever printed.
2 months ago
Just for reference, this is the entire ban list for oathbreaker.
Ad Nauseam , Ancestral Recall , Balance , Biorhythm , Black Lotus , Channel , Doomsday , Emrakul, the Aeons Torn , Expropriate , Fastbond , Gifts Ungiven , Griselbrand , High Tide , Library of Alexandria , Limited Resources , Lion's Eye Diamond , Mana Crypt , Mana Geyser , Mana Vault , Mox Emerald , Mox Jet , Mox Pearl , Mox Ruby , Mox Sapphire , Natural Order , Painter's Servant , Panoptic Mirror , Primal Surge , Primeval Titan , Recurring Nightmare , Saheeli, the Gifted , Sol Ring , Sundering Titan , Sway of the Stars , Sylvan Primordial , Time Vault , Time Walk , Tinker , Tolarian Academy , Tooth and Nail , Trade Secrets , Upheaval , Worldfire , and Yawgmoth's Bargain .
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