Tarmogoyf

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Tarmogoyf

Creature — Lhurgoyf

Tarmogoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1. (The card types are artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, phenomenon, plane, planeswalker, scheme, sorcery, tribal, and vanguard.)

DreadKhan on Need help pls (too many cards)

3 days ago

If you're hoping to play vs fairly competitive decks in Modern, I wouldn't run many (ideally none) 5, 6 or 7 drops, even 4 drops are slow and can clog up your hand. In a format like Modern, you want to be doing things in the most efficient manner possible, meaning you want low to the ground spells. If you have more than 1 spell of MV > 4 in your opening hand, it's very hard to make that hand a keep! Also, effects that only gain you life are terrible in practice. Blockers are usually not helpful, they end up too small/ineffective, so I'd hesitate before running cards with Defender in Modern unless you have a big payoff for them. Bodies that aren't big for their MV that lack abilities other than life gain often fail to progress the game, keep in mind that Tarmogoyf has lost huge amounts of popularity, and that could be a 3/4 or better for 2 mana. I feel like Ondu War Cleric is not a very impactful card, the 2/2 body isn't very big and the ability does very little. Tine Shrike seems like a strange inclusion, it's not a bad card in the right deck I suppose, but in this one it's clunky at 4 mana and Infect doesn't 'stack' with regular damage, so you could get the opponent to 1 life, and be stuck with only Shrike and need to deal 10 more damage to kill them. Either run lots of infect or probably skip it. Auras are generally not good cards, it's too easy for your opponent to 2 for 1 you by removing the creature. 4 mana for an aura is not where you need to be in Modern. Angelic Gift is probably more fine, since it replaces itself and Flying is a useful ability to have.

Smite the Monstrous feels awful beyond words in a format where people run stuff like Path to Exile, Generous Gift and maybe Fateful Absence in mono-White, 4 mana to have situational removal that only can hit creatures feels pretty bad.

If you want a low to the ground option to trigger lifegain and deal damage, Healer's Hawk is a nice flying lifelink 1 drop.

If you find it hard to cut cards, I think Yorion, Sky Nomad is Modern legal still, and requires you to use an oversize deck of 80 cards, and it's a fairly beefy flyer you always have access to if you need it, which definitely isn't a bad thing.

Gidgetimer on Judge rules incorrectly + Player …

1 month ago

Since you were not directly involved with either scenario there is no responsibility for you to take any actions. You can encourage the player who would benefit from the correct ruling to appeal to the head judge or give them the information you think you have on the correct way something should have played out if the judge that made the call was the head judge, but it is up to them to advocate for themselves. If the Tarmogoyf's stats were being represented in a physical manner you, as a spectator, could inform a judge of a tournament rules violation you observed of failure to maintain boardstate. However; that seems petty and if you feel an overwhelming desire to step in it would probably be better to just inform the controller.

Delphen7 on Judge rules incorrectly + Player …

1 month ago

I was playing at my LGS and ran into the following situations:

1) A judge was called over to the table next to mine. He was told what happened and made a ruling. However, I happened to know it was an incorrect ruling.

What should I do? (I went up to him afterwards and let him know why it was wrong)

2) The table on my other side (I was bored) was Jund vs Murktide. I noticed that Jund has miscounted his Tarmogoyf’s stats, and both players were operating with incorrect info. I let this one be, but is there something I should’ve done?

Guerric on Deck Archetypes in EDH

4 months ago

Hi all! There's an interesting question I've been pondering lately, and I thought I'd share some of my reflections on it and get input from all of you. In sixty card magic we have deck archetypes, namely aggro, control, midrange, combo, and tempo. In commander obviously things look pretty different, and several years ago on the Command Zone podcast they said that like in limited, there aren't really deck archetypes this way, just different flavors of midrange.

As the format has developed and changed a lot over the years I do think something like these archetypes exists in commander, they're just different. For those familiar with sixty card formats some of the hard and fast rules for those archetypes in sixty card magic do not apply, and there certainly is more fluidity on commander and other unique multiplayer strategies as well (ex. Group Hug). Nonetheless, I think the outline of most of these archetypes is still relevant. Here is how I think it plays out-

1) Aggro- I think something more like classic aggro has only become viable in commander in the past couple of years, but I think it is definitely a thing now. In sixty card magic, most creatures are in the one to three drop range, there is often no focus on card draw, and everything in the deck serves to get a single player to zero as quickly as possible. Obviously in commander we need raw engines, some ramp, and are going to play more powerful cards. That being said, I think strategies built around attacking with high value, low cmc creatures from the early game onwards characterizes aggro in commander. This wasn't viable a few years ago due to the lack of board state protection, and really only token pump decks and creature cheat decks tended to do well. But the printing of many premium white board state protection spells like Flawless Maneuver, Teferi's Protection, and Semester's End has changed up the formula a bit. Attacking low to the ground and early is a keystone of aggro strategies, but so are on attack triggers. We have so many of these now, and they incentivize keeping our force swinging every turn. Commanders like Akiri, Fearless Voyager and Trynn, Champion of Freedom incentivize attacking in order to draw cards, make tokens, or do other things the deck is going to want to do. Unlike sixty card magic, we will need to be able to draw cards, and play some removal and interaction, though we'll play fewer pieces of the latter here than in other decks since they compete with resources to keep up the attack. We also need to play one-sided board wipes wherever we have the option, because we can't afford to lose our own board state. We'll also need a way to get through for damage once our opponents' defenses are up, and as such things that give our creatures menace, landwalk, flying, deathtouch or indestructible are key as they help us keep up the assault. We're also very in favor of a few key pump spells to help us finish out the game like Jazal Goldmane or Coat of Arms.

2) Midrange- In sixty card magic midrange is characterized by playing some of the most powerful cards on every point in the curve, and play more removal than aggro decks. Oftentimes they are characterized as "the growing threat." A classic and famous example was the classic Modern Jund deck that Reid Duke piloted several years ago. One of its touchstones was playing Tarmogoyf on turn 2. The goyfs could attack or block where necessary, but they would grow more unstoppable as the game went on, until they were dropping haymakers like Liliana of the Veil. They would use cards like Dark Confidant to keep their hand full till they could inevitably win. In a way, these sorts of decks mirror something of what we see in all commander decks in that they play removal, draw, and powerful cards. Yet what I think sets them apart is this idea of the growing threat, and that they play more removal than aggro decks. One way in which I think some midrange commanders work is to have abilities that allow them to turn other cards into Tarmogoyf like threats. Ezuri, Claw of Progress and Giada, Font of Hope use +1/+1 counters to turn small evasive threates into significant ones. In this sense, I think a lot of counter decks fit well in the midrange categories. These decks will attack, but they don't have to like aggro decks, and are more willing to conserve resources and work on developing board state where feasible. They often have engines that benefit their board passively from the passage of time, and as such they can play more removal and let their board build itself. They still want to protect their board state, and some of the cards from aggro decks that do this or simply counterspells can help with this, and one-sided board wipes are usually th best kind for midrange decks as well.

3) Control- Control decks in sixty card magic are built on trying to shut down almost everything an opponent is trying to do via counterspells and removal until you can work towards a win con. This obviously is not possible in commander where you can not shut down three other players with just counterspells and removal alone, and isn't always necessary since opponents can also shut down each other. As such, controlling strategies fit into two categories: stax and regular control. With stax pieces that shut off lands and mana rocks, eEDH controlling strategies indeed can effectively shut down three other players, usually finding a way to work through it themselves in order to build towards a win con. In standard EDH, heavy land-based stax like that is frowned upon, but cards that disrupt play in other ways (ex. Blind Obedience as well as counterspells and removal are fair game. These decks are still building towards a win con by slowing opponents down, and will devote far more slots to disruption and removal than aggro and midrange decks. They may win with an infinite combo, a planeswalker, a few premium attacking creatures, or in other ways, but most of the deck is devoted to protecting themselves and disrupting opponents. Controlling decks are more likely to play reciprocal board wipes, and generally benefit from keeping the board clear of threats at most times.

4) Combo- Combo decks also exist along a spectrum in EDH, though this archetype is most similar to sixty card magic. The formula is almost unchanged for cEDH, where most of a deck is devoted to playing and protecting a single combo. Outside of cEDH, it is worth mentioning that infinite combos can be included in almost any archetype in the format as a backup win con when other plans go sideways. What makes it a combo deck is that the entire deck is focused on pulling out one of a variety of sometimes elaborate combos, and these decks are generally geared more towards Johnnies than Spikes. A good example would be combo decks built around Teysa, Orzhov Scion that can put together the Darkest Hour in a variety of ways, as well as play Reveillark + Karmic Guide and/or Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood in order to win. These decks play out as trying to put together a combo while fending off opponents with removal and interaction.

5) Tempo- Some might argue that there is no such thing as tempo decks in commander, but it's worth mentioning that they're pretty rare even in sixty card magic across formats. In sixty card magic tempo decks adopt a "disruptive aggro" philosophy, where they slowly chip away at an opponent's life total with small, cheap, evasive creatures, while always holding mana open to protect their board and disrupt threats. While "chipping away" life totals isn't much of a strategy in a multiplayer strategy, I do think there are decks that play out along the lines of this disruptive aggro strategy. As an example, Ranar the Ever-Watchful and Alela, Artful Provocateur can be played this way, where the flying tokens they generate are the main win con, and the rest of the deck is devoted to holding mana open to protect this main game plan and stop others from winning. Unlike in sixty card decks these may win all at once with token pump effects or other affects, but this is the main way.

What do you all think? Do you think there are deck archetypes like this in EDH? Why or why not? What qualifications would you add or take away about them if you do?

wallisface on Jund

8 months ago

Some cards to consider running as playsets:

Some cards that are decent, but probably better as 3-ofs (as drawing multiples can hurt)

Drewfyre on Jund

8 months ago

Hm I understand, but I have a hard time deciding which cards are worth keeping an which can be thrown out.

Obviously something like Tarmogoyf would be good to keep multiple times but it is also one of the most expensive cards.

LekTek on Golgari Superfriends

8 months ago

cyeRunner, Oath of Nissa is a good suggestion, and I did try it out. The issue is that it kind of works against the deck's strategy. The deck is built to control/pressure the early game with discard, removal and the Tarmogoyfs, in preparation for Carth the Lion and Superfriends to come down and take over the game. If Oath of Nissa comes down early, then it can skip past the spells that are needed for the early game.

Omniscience_is_life on Eidolon of the Great Revel

8 months ago

There's only one number a burn player needs to care about: their opponent's life total. Anything else is just a distraction, because it takes a deck's full attention to burn your opponent from 20 to 0.

If you waste a Lightning Bolt on an opponent's Tarmogoyf (old-school style!), that's essentially three life that your opponent gained from you not using the bolt on them.

All that is to say that when piloting burn, you'll take whatever sources of good burn you can get--because burning a player entirely out of the game is hard if you don't. And sometimes those sources of burn happen to hit you too.

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