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1 day ago
Thank you to everybody who commented, sorry about the delayed response. Good ol' fashioned life getting in the way (not to mention I wasn't getting notifications for a while).
DrukenReaps: The extra tech with Tez is nice. Ultimately, the reason I like him so much is that once he's down, it's an ability which fetches the artifact and puts it straight into play. He can also get a mana rock (read Mana Vault ) turn N and Isochron Scepter turn N+1. The untap is the icing on the cake, but not why I would play him. The double blue is a bit of a shame, but what can you do. I think he's a relatively strong contender for the slot.
Joe_Ken_: I think I'm goingto swap Impulse for Spellseeker - she just seems better (albeit at sorcery speed). It's a shame she doesn't have flash, but I get why she doesn't have flash. And I think I agree with you on Whir of Invention , while the deck can hit triple blue, you effectively need quad blue held up to resolve it.
jaymc1130: I both agree and don't agree with you. First off, I'll touch on Mystic Forge - I don't mind the combo but I don't think it has a place in the deck. The thing about PE was that sure, there was a combo with Sensei's Divining Top , but more than that it tied the rest of the combo packages together in the deck and acted as a nice piece of redundancy against losing access to reversal/scepter. And I don't think that Mystic Forge does the same thing.
On the topic of 3+ CMC tutors - while I agree to an extent, I don't want to discount them either. Grim Tutor is probably the worst tutor in that paying 3 mana is basically a bad Demonic Tutor (which, granted, is one of the best tutors in the entire game), but even still there is zero restrictions on what it can get.
The rest of the tutors however provide some kind of additional value, most of them in the form that they deploy the tutored card into play, effectively uncounterably (yes, I know that Stifle is still a card). So while you are paying ultimately 1 additional mana, you get to test the waters a little bit. And in that light, the difference is a single mana. Dark Petition is a bit different, but again the ability to get anything is super strong. Not to mention that when getting then playing an Isochron Scepter , there is no cost difference between it and D Tutor. But on the flipside, I'm not going to be cramming Diabolic Tutor into my deck anytime soon just to increase the tutor density.
As for the whole fast v slow matchups, again, I agree and I don't. sure, expensive spells are generally bad against lightning fast decks, but that also comes down to what else is going on in my hand. Generally the faster a deck, the more glass cannon-y it is, so in those games I'm focused more on a counterspell or two anyway - I'm playing the slower game. But that doesn't always mean I'm going to generate value with Tymna. A common table for me is Kess storm, OG Sisay combo/beats hybrid and Tasigur control (I appreicate this may not be toppest of top shelf cEDH but they're still not casual, pub-stomp games). Kess will be about on par with me speed wise, but all of the other decks outcreature me. At this point, I don't mind paying a bit more for a value tutor - especially since most tutors I'm interested in do more than just putting a card in my hand.
On the topic of your Tymna/Thrasios deck, I had a look and it looks really cool. It's interesting to see the amount of proactive hate the deck runs, which is not as common to see these days compared to just packing a deck full of counterspells (which is I guess what you're going for). That being said, in my playgroup and for my playstyle, it's not the deck for me. If all I was versing was fast combo it would be much more appealing. But as it stands, I'm happier with the direction the deck is currently taking and given my group, I think the list has more potency for what I'm up against (not to mention it seems like it would be a lot more stressful to pilot :P).
The transmute cards are interesting. I think that Muddle the Mixture is by far the strongest of the three (which is why I re-included it). Shred Memory is nice GY hate, but feels like it's just a tutor and at that poing costs the same as Grim Tutor . And Dimir Infiltrator is cool (especially with Tymna) but you want ot cast it as soon as possible for CA, which tehn means it's no longer a tutor.
I hand thought about Tribute Mage but he just feels too narrow.
I don't like Reshape here - I'm basically eating mana rocks to get the thing which combos with mana rocks.
Long-Term Plans is a cool card, but yeah, it feels a bit weak here. Good in Melek though.
StopShot: I had thought about Diabolic Intent before and the benefit that worst case scenario you just eat your commander. I'm still on the fence about it though. Again, I don't want to eat a thing to fetch a thing which combos with what I just ate.
I completely forgot about Wargate though and I have to say I'm very intrigued by it. The fact that it can fetch a part of any combo (except Dramatic Reversal and even then it can get Spellseeker assuming I make space for her) is very nice and the fact you don't sacrifice the end goal card if gate is couterspelled is really cool. The mana coast is a bit tricky but I think it could be a strong contender.
Scroll Rack is nice, but potentially a bit slow and can feel really empty if you're stuck topdecking for whatever reason. It's good wheel insurance though. I'll have a bit more of a think about this one.
I had thought about Tainted Pact , however the mana base will cause issues since I run 4 Island s for High Tide (which is surprisingly good). If I cut this down to 2 I could do the whole land/snowland trick, but I'm not sold on it.
Again, thank you all for your comments - there is a lot to digest here but I very much appreciate people's thoughts on it. Also, I think I really overthink card swaps :P
2 days ago
Hey there !
Another thing that jumped out is that you're running very few counterspells: do you find yourself playing from behind very often or do you dislike them ? Or does the deck really struggle without three merfolk for Kumena's draw ability ?
I also find your 3 drop slot a little packed, even though Kumena costs 3, have you considered trimming it to get some more quality 1 and 2 drops ?
Your 5 drops are very powerful, but they feel a bit win-more to me, have you found that they could scavenge nearly lost games ?
Anyways, this is a really cool deck ! I might try building a Kumena deck myself.
2 weeks ago
Hi aarnok! I'm not familiar with how to reply to you on my deck thread, or if you'd be notified, so I figured I'd try sending you a comment this way to see if it works.
Thanks for the feedback and suggestions! Here's some insight as to my process:
Sword of the Animist is definitely a bit of a corner case inclusion, but I've gotten plenty of value from it. If my Feldon is on the field and has no targets in graveyard, at least he can get me some lands by swinging away. Plus I've got plenty of low CMC creatures that can be equipped and ramp me some land. It's performed well in all the games I've seen it!
Liquimetal Coating is bonkers with things like Ingot Chewer and Manic Vandal . It turns Feldon activations into "destroy any permanent". I've used it to take out Gaea's Cradle , Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and even planeswalkers. It's fantastic.
Chandra, Flamecaller is used exclusively for the 0 effect. Dumping my hand and drawing a new one plus one is fantastic and desirable since I'm often dumping a ton of threats for Feldon to activate or a bunch of cards I don't need. Yeah, she costs 6 but it's not a huge problem most games.
Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded is absolutely a bad card. I run it for the fun of it. I'd definitely say Sarkhan is better in all cases and may consider adding him in addition, but Tibalt is just a fun pet card that I enjoy. :)
Nahiri's Wrath is a newer inclusion but I have it in the deck as an alternate way to pitch big dragons and other buff creatures to the graveyard. It's removal and a discard outlet in one. It's tested adequately thus far, but it's definitely closer to the "gonna get replaced soon" side of things at the moment.
Rowdy Crew is a sleeper hit. Discard effects on creatures is great as Feldon can recur them to keep fueling the graveyard more and more!
I used to run Gauntlet of Power and Caged Sun but removed them to tone the deck back a bit as it was getting a little too powerful. I tone a lot of my decks to match my meta which is pretty casual, so sometimes I sacrifice some super-powerful cards for the betterment of the group. GoP was why I had so many basics, but you're right - I could do to add a few more nonbasics.
Goblin Engineer and Drakuseth, Maw of Flames are both on my "to buy" list. Hazoret's Monument is a great idea and I'm not sure why I'm not running it already, thanks! Endless Atlas seems cool too! Warstorm Surge is definitely powerful but it's another card that was sacrificed for playgroup purposes. The deck is already quite strong, and Surge is a bit "win-more" in my opinion. Godo, Bandit Warlord isn't a bad idea either but I only have four legal targets in the deck. Sure, grabbing Illusionist's Bracers would be slick but getting Boots or Greaves would feel underwhelming for the cost.
Worldgorger Dragon seems super interesting as some insurance to protect against board wipes (though the delayed trigger getting Stifle 'd would feel really bad), but I'm not sure how much else we could really abuse him since all my creatures would get summoning sickness again. It would untap my lands so if I had something like Hanweir Battlements in play I could give Feldon haste and use his effect again, but I just don't know that I run enough instants / flash stuff to warrant it. I'll have to consider trying him out.
Thanks a ton! I'll take a look at your list and let you know any feedback there!
2 weeks ago
I haven't done any testing with the new talisman yet, but as the deck begins to lean more heavily to red, I may be looking at cutting something other than the signet for it. I'm playing on friday, so should be able to begin testing then.
3 weeks ago
Megalomania thanks for the card suggestion! I really like the idea and have added it to the maybeboard. I’m currently trying to think what card could be replaced to playtest it.
3 weeks ago
In today's spoilers, thunderkin awakener, tale's end, and brought back all caught my attention; the awakener will be insane with Ball Lightning , Spark Elemental , and Lightning Skelemental , and tale's end is a nice compromise between Stifle and Disallow .
1 month ago
Love the deck! Been looking into legacy recently and your deck is by far #1 on my list so far. Question for you though. I see the graveyard hate already in the sideboard, but what is your opinion on Stifle for people who side in Emrakul, the Aeons Torn or are playing them in the mainboard? Is it too niche of a card in the first place? Would love to hear your thought on this.
1 month ago
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The Earth Swimmer
Legendary Creature- Wurm Elemental
Sacrifice The Earth Swimmer: Put a card named The Earth Swimmer from your hand onto the battlefield.
Sacrifice a land: Put a card named The Earth Swimmer from your graveyard into your hand.
Never receding, it never ceases / the wurm that tears deep in the creases / with fluid skin all torn into pieces.
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Stifle occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.31%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%