Black Lotus

Artifact

{T}, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.

Legality

Format	Legality
Archenemy	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Oldschool 93/94	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (48)

Mortlocke on The Reserved List is a …

1 week ago

I've lurked on Reddit for years now, and from time to time I see threads and/or opinions such as "The Reserved List is bad - it's an outdated concept." "They need to reprint the ABUR dual lands - the reason why they're so expensive is because of the gatekeepers and evil investors".

The worst opinion, and the one I find absolutely beyond irksome is the "The majority of magic the gathering players support the removal of the Reserved List" this is a prime example of the invisible/silent majority fallacy when someone wants to make their personal opinion (or poorly thought out argument) seem more "valid" they say "well a group of unnamed and invisible people support my opinion, so that makes it true". For the sake of argument lets assume that 5 million of the supposed 7 million magic the gathering players worldwide came together and signed a petition officially declaring this demand - where the hell is it? Where is this official public stance? Did I miss something? Or is this just the commiserating of a few online denizens that live in the illusion of a premium reprint product containing some of the most powerful cards ever made in Magic: The Gathering's history be made some how...affordable? I feel like these individuals have their heads in the sand - or don't know how WotC works or private corporations for that matter.

I think the Reserved List is good, and has ensured Magic's longevity. If it wasn't for the Reserved List magic wouldn't have been able to convince people to invest in card pieces in the secondary market over the years. Not only did this ensure that there was always something to invest in and collect, but it gave developers incentive to design new card pieces that could emulate (to a lesser extent) those powerful and sought after effects (e.g. Black Lotus to Jeweled Lotus). Thus, ensuring a form of reprint equity that set designers can cash in on to make sure a product sells well and gives WotC the funds to continue to invest in new card development.

Wizards of the Coast and HASBRO are not in any way shape or form a friend of the Magic: The Gathering community. They do not care if a product is affordable or not - they simply want to make money - all of the money for all time. If a Reserved List reprint product were produced it would be so egregiously priced that it would make Magic 30th look tame. It would be beyond the reach of the average player and further strain the relationship between Wizards and it's customer base. My personal fear would be if the product did marginally well then Wizards would use these figures to justify an overall price increase on all future products. Sadly, we are seeing more and more expensive premium product (looking at you Commander Masters, Double Masters VIP Edition, Collector's Boxes in general, you get idea). I think the typical (uninformed) argument for an abolished Reserved List inspired the creation of Magic 30th. In my head the product was created by some out of touch CEO who was informed of the demand for reprinted RL cards. Thinking only dollar signs they were motivated to green light the most outlandish and greedy product in Magic's history. The propagation of the nonsense argument of this "majority" of players is only enabling more and more shameless behavior from the CEOs of WotC/HASBRO.

If I missed a petition of roughly 5 million players wishing for the Reserved List to be removed - then i'll at the very least admit that the argument has traction and it is indeed a legitimate demand of the community (But by the Mother of Machines that does not make them right). But I think most players don't give a crap about the Reserved List one way or another. I think it's removal will simply result in another controversy by Wizards pumping out another garbage tier predatory nonsense product that further pisses off it's customer base and doing more harm to the community.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Edit: Thread closed - and a shame. But logic still stands - if there is a majority of anything then numbers must be stated to some degree, not vague mentionings of surveys whose results cannot be found or clearly demonstrated in a discussion. That's how a majority works.

Edit Edit: @Caerwyn, I couldn't care less what names you call me but I absolutely stand by what I say. If you think I'm being disingenous then I invite you (and anyone else interested) to talk this out on the Tappedout Discord in a voice channel - Mortlocke#5493

DemonDragonJ on What is Your Opinion of …

1 month ago

Grends27, I most certainly will not use proxies of Black Lotus or the original moxen, but I think that proxies of the original dual lands should not upset most players in casual games.

SnowyPlaneswalker on Official missing/incorrect card/token thread

2 months ago

Black Lotus is listed as being legal in formats like Commander, when it's supposed to only be legal in Vintage

DemonDragonJ on What is Your Opinion of …

3 months ago

Some player use proxy cards, unofficial duplicates of official cards, either when they do not wish to spend an exorbitant sum of money on an expensive card that they desire, or when they already own such a card, but do not wish to use it in events.

Thus far, I do not have any proxy cards in any of my decks, because I have not needed them, since I do not use any cards that I cannot afford to purchase; however, I have been contemplating possibly purchasing proxies of certain cards to use in my decks, since it is very unlikely that I shall ever enter any WotC-sanctioned events, as I am not a very competitive player. I obviously would not be so cheap as to use proxies of Black Lotus, Ancestral Recall, or the original moxen in my decks, but I see no problem with proxies of Sol Ring, as it is now an inexpensive and ubiquitous card, due to numerous reprints, or the original dual lands, as they are powerful, but not game-breakingly so, and are on the reserved list, so WotC shall never reprint them (at least not in tournament-legal form).

What does everyone else say about this? How do you feel about proxy cards?

TypicalTimmy on 【Emotional】▷ RANT ◁ 30th Anniversary Edition SUCKS

3 months ago

Honestly, we should have seen this coming with Garth One-Eye being able to make Black Lotus tokens...

TypicalTimmy on Two years ago, The Professor …

4 months ago

With so much potential loss at stake, I would imagine it would quickly turn into a class action lawsuit. Correct me if I am wrong, please, but if potentially hundreds, perhaps several thousand, investors came forward to each individually sue for the detrimental loss in value, I could see a firm picking this up and making it class action.

I bring up Rudy from time to time on here, because he and I have exchanged messages back and forth and he assisted me with some investing in the card market, as well as books and resources for the stock market.

Rudy personally owns about 110 Black Lotus among their various editions. His binder has about 13 pages of just the Black Lotus cards, not to mention his graded stack.

Let's just say they are $100,000 each. It just makes the math nice and easy. That's $11,000,000 in value. If it drops even 2%, that's a loss of $220,000 on his end. That's just one card, out of all 570+ reserved list cards, out of just one investor.

So yes, I believe it would become class action, easily.

TypicalTimmy on Two years ago, The Professor …

4 months ago

In this video The Professor lays out why the reserved list is a lie. Something about two years later, WOTC releases their 30th anniversary packs with 60 reprints, including dual lands and Black Lotus as proxies.

So, is he right or wrong? And why?

sylvannos on Brother's War Spoilers

4 months ago

@Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor: It's the modularity of it that seems nuts to me. It's obviously not like you're casting Animate Dead on a Griselbrand. But you can use it as a value card on something like Kitchen Finks, a combo enabler for Thopter Foundry, or even a Desperate Ritual when used on Black Lotus.

And a lot of these cards fit neatly into decks like Bomberman or Stoneblade.