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, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.
2 weeks ago
With so much potential loss at stake, I would imagine it would quickly turn into a class action lawsuit. Correct me if I am wrong, please, but if potentially hundreds, perhaps several thousand, investors came forward to each individually sue for the detrimental loss in value, I could see a firm picking this up and making it class action.
I bring up Rudy from time to time on here, because he and I have exchanged messages back and forth and he assisted me with some investing in the card market, as well as books and resources for the stock market.
Let's just say they are $100,000 each. It just makes the math nice and easy. That's $11,000,000 in value. If it drops even 2%, that's a loss of $220,000 on his end. That's just one card, out of all 570+ reserved list cards, out of just one investor.
So yes, I believe it would become class action, easily.
2 weeks ago
In this video The Professor lays out why the reserved list is a lie. Something about two years later, WOTC releases their 30th anniversary packs with 60 reprints, including dual lands and Black Lotus as proxies.
So, is he right or wrong? And why?
3 weeks ago
@Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor: It's the modularity of it that seems nuts to me. It's obviously not like you're casting Animate Dead on a Griselbrand. But you can use it as a value card on something like Kitchen Finks, a combo enabler for Thopter Foundry, or even a Desperate Ritual when used on Black Lotus.
And a lot of these cards fit neatly into decks like Bomberman or Stoneblade.
1 month ago
Garth One-Eye can go infinite with Displacer Kitten (blink garth with displacer kitten to get infinite Black Lotuses, keep on blinking to get infinite Shivan Dragons, and deck your opponents with Braingeyser, and if anyone kills the kitten, use Regrowth to get it back)
1 month ago
Abaques, markerts are difficult to predict because you really are divided into two categories on a topic like this. Those who want the original printings (Be it alpha, beta, revised) and those who merely want a card and don't really care about print runs.
Take me, for example. I own a Gaea's Cradle. Caveat: I own a $250 gold bordered Gaea's Cradle. That card is not legal in any tournament setting. However, if an EDH group is okay with it, it can be used within one of my decks. That's what Rule 0 is for. And yes, I've had groups at the LGS say sure, and others say no. I respect the table and play accordingly.
To me, $250 for a card WOTC did in fact print (albeit for a different reason, that being a prize handed out) is superior to just writing "Gaea's Cradle" in black marker on a Forest. All the same, a card is a card is a card.
Do the $250 gold Cradles detract from the value of the original? No, not seemingly. Are there collectors who would like one? Yes. I've been offered my selection through trade binders, as well as cash. I've even had a store owner ask me if I'd like to trade for a few boxes of equal value in my selection of sets.
I personally would never spend $1,000 on a single card. I would for a complete deck, but not a singular card. In fact, I have a $1,400 deck that does absolutely nothing. (All 10 fetches, all 10 shocks, chrome mox, mox diamond. Was a Golos 5c God Tribal deck that no longer exists thanks to the ban).
Point being, for a consumer like me, no having an officially printed proxy does not demean value in any way, shape or form.
That being said, there are collectors and investors who sit on dozens of cards from the Power 9 and the reserves list.
Rudy from Alpha Investment is a great example. There were originally 1,100 Alpha Black Lotus printed and he owns about 100 of them. You should see his binder, it's magnificent.
Will Rudy freak out? No. He was a career Walstreet investor. He knows markers better than likely anyone on this entire website.
- Hi Rudy, if you're in here!
But someone who maybe has a serious stake without the same knowledge? I could see a panic happening. And there's the crux of it all. Markets are determined by supply and demand, but also intrinsic value. If 1/2 of all investors fear their holdings lost 30% overnight and being to panic sell, guess what happens? Self-fulfilling prophecy. Their assets lose value.
I could see a very minor short term shift, but it'll balance out once investors realize there's a silver lining here. They too can buy these silly $1,000 packs and hold.
Those proxies BLs and Ancestral Recalls will likely fetch $300 - $1,000 each. Far less than the real things, but well worth the efforts to invest in and own.
But as with all investments, only time will tell. If you worry about short term gains, you'll always be chasing your tail.
1 month ago
So who is pumped about the announcement of gold back boarded cards like Black Lotus that isn't tournament playable?
Is this just the best "Un" set ever or something? Is this meant to be as funny as it is?
Like is it just me or should this just have been something that took the place of a token slot in general upcoming booster packs this year?
Here is a link to read about it in better detail if WOTC Article/Announcment
2 months ago
I agree for the most part with suspensions. Cards can become unbanned but it does seem to be rarer and a more tedious process. There are some cards that deserve to be hard banned (like Black Lotus in Legacy or Lutri in Commander) but they're few and far between imo, and those could just be mainstays on the suspension list.
I've always been an adamant supporter of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn being unbanned in Commander, and I will continue to stand by that. I think unbanning it, looking at how it changes the format, then going from there would be perfectly healthy.
Part of the reason why this doesn't happen I assume is to make it so that players don't have to constantly buy or sell cards to keep up with changing suspensions.
So yes, that's a neat idea that I hadn't thought of before.
2 months ago
TheSnuggleLord I agree strongly that the standardization of the Commander format has led to insane power creep, and this is because Commander occupies a unique design space that should not be catered to excessively just by its very nature.
Vintage has the same card pool as Commander, except that cards that warp the entire game, such as Black Lotus and Channel, are legal, so it's not easy to create cards that sway the direction of the format.
Modern, on the other hand, has a more limited card pool, and didn't really suffer from insane power creep until recently, because cards that are designed for Standard aren't necessarily great for Modern. This obviously changed with the introduction of the Modern Horizons sets, each of which caused massive changes in the Modern format. As it turns out, creating intentionally pushed cards for a given format makes that format much more powerful.
Commander sets pushed the power level of the Commander format as a whole further forward each and every time they were released, which isn't necessarily bad until you release a new Commander-tailored set of pushed cards every single set. Then it becomes an issue.