Planeswalker — Narset
+1: Look at the top card of your library. If it's a noncreature, nonland card, you may reveal it and put it into your hand.
-2: When you cast your next instant or sorcery spell from your hand this turn, it gains rebound.
-9: You get an emblem with "Your opponents can't cast noncreature spells."
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|Dragons of Tarkir (DTK)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Narset Transcendent Discussion
4 months ago
dude you just try to win with 1-2 attacks. why should I infect my deck with Narset of the Ancient Way? I would rather play Narset, Parter of Veils, Dack Fayden, Narset Transcendent or a card which I completely overlooked Strionic Resonator. Sry mate: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-way-of-a-jeskai-monk-budget-1/
4 months ago
@Annexus: Yes like you said there's not a really healthy conversation going on on the discord and like you said,
I already exchanged Dack Fayden with Teferi. I get your point with Narset, but I don't know what to cut. Same with Whirlwind of Thought... I think this card is good, but it's always better to just play a turn spell or like you mentioned Narset Transcendent because you can choose, to draw or to rebound a spell.
4 months ago
@smilodex Hi again! Seems like we're getting some great talks here. Good to see that we agree on the Timetwister replacement, but it's okay to disagree with the wheeling thing. I do think too that Wheel of Fortune is incredibly powerful, I just haven't been playing it in my own pile. Could be that I'm horrifyingly wrong on that call. Sad that the price recently went up on this card, it's gonna be holding me back from getting one fairly soon, as it's currently not a good time. I am however willing to really try this card out and can see the merit of using it. My prime worry on wheels is the fact that, as pilots, we draw a hand that's full of unplayable cards due to high manacosts. I am wondering: did this already happen to you and if so, what did you do in that scenario? Because if that hand is filled up with Tturns cards, this deck is going to have a bad time.
I'd like to touch on the Thousand-Year Storm inclusion. I've been mulling it over in my head and to be real, that card can be incredibly bonkers. The fact that it says cast instead of "from hand", that makes this incredibly effed up beyond belief. I'm currently calculating and goldfishing the card, to see how big this can get. It might be an inclusion in my own list.
Narset Transcendent is a very interesting walker. Not only does it hit flavorcity, it also is relatively versatile as you said. The +1, as I use it, is mostly there to scout ahead before an attack. Is there something that I don't want and that needs to go? Narset T gives the info. The ult is relatively good, but also pretty unused mostly. The -2 however, is what sells me on this card. Giving something rebound and coming back for nothing is pretty powerful. You could just take time to cast a rebounded Time Stretch or, if you're in a pickle, a removal option. There's a good bunch of things you can do with this card. It is, however, a bit costly on the mana. Flipping her, however, feels real good. Something similar comes from Narset, Parter of Veils. Not only does it synergize well with wheels, it also serves as a hatepiece against a large portion of the cEDH decks out there. That anti-draw ability has come in pretty handy, as many combo decks will be shutdown without any form of removal. It buys a lot of time and has a good upside when Spiral/Echo/Wheel hits. See the wheel plays as 'win-more'.
I do own an Aggravated Assault. Wonder if it's gonna be good here. Might just test it.
I wonder though, what are the thoughts on Teferi by the discord? It seems really nuts and feels pretty good in this deck. I think pieces like that are what pushes this type of deck in an Adaptive playstyle rather than full combo. Also: there's a discord now? I didn't even know! As for Xmage: I don't have that... yet. I do have Cockatrice, could make Xmage.
4 months ago
@Annexus: Yes I totally agree with your thoughts about Timetwister but not with those to Wheel of Fortune. Budget options for those 2 cards are for sure / Time Spiral and Echo of Eons but you definitely need some wheels in your deck and Wheel of Fortune is the really strong, but the deck wouldn't lose much strength if you play Windfall and Echo of Eons/Time Spiral instead of Timetwister/Wheel of Fortune.
The two other Narset are cool flavourwhise but I personally thought that there were simply better alternatives:
I think the deck has only like two slots at maximum for "win more" cards.
At the moment I play Thousand-Year Storm and Aggravated Assault. TStorm cannot be cut because I won almost every game with him as soon as he touched the field. But maybe Narset Transcendent could be a replacement for Aggravated Assault. Narset is a bit more versatile but sometimes you don't hit any extraturn/combat and then narset is a lil bit worse than the Assault, because with the assault you gain another try with Narset, Enlightened Master and if you hit Time Spiral you get ANOTHER attack and with the assault you always have atleast 2 attempts per turn to hit a another turn/combat spell.
Narset, Parter of Veils is a good card but for me atleast I found a lot cards I liked more but can be a budget option JTMS. If you pla atleast 3+ wheel cards in this deck, she could be worth, but with only 2 wheels, there's lacking synergy.
JTMS is just insane and has fallen out of favor or forgiveness just like Narset, Enlightened Master, JTMS is a walkin Brainstorm and toolbox. It's a great feeling when Time Stretch is stuck in your hand and you can put it back on your deck.
Dack Fayden is also pretty good to steal your opponent's ramp pieces but I think he's the one who could maybe replaced by Winter Orb or like you mentioned Teferi, Time Raveler. I loved Teferi, but some dudes from the Narset Discord have somehow talked me out of Teferi...
Man I would really enjoy to play some 1vs1 games of different lists/cuts, to scientifically prove which list is the fastest and after that to test it in a real environment against legit decks to check which card/list is good in the current meta. (Do you have Xmage?)
I see your point on Gamble, sure this card has the opportunity to fail, but narset is just a "if you have luck you win deck" and with this cards I'm also gambling high, but yeah cards to replace gamble are: Idyllic Tutor/Merchant Scroll or like you mentioned Ponder/Preordain.
I tested Jace, Wielder of Mysteries a lot and in 99% of the time he was a dead card or not needed... when you draw your entire library you just win with Nexus of Fate/Beacon of Tomorrows but most of the time you opponents surrender before that ever happens after like your 5 extra turn... And if you really want another wincon then I would always prefer Bribery because this card is savage and in almost every cedh match somebody is playing Thassa's Oracle or another winon which you could possibly steal. Or just play the good old Approach of the Second Sun.
4 months ago
@smilodex It's a downright shame the Mythos is Mardu, I was very much excited for it as well. Sadly, the little B pip in there makes it impossible :( Oh well...
Anyways: I think Timetwister is very optimal, but I lack the card too, so that makes it a bit awkward to test it out, especially since it's really expensive and I refuse to pay that much money for a piece of cardboard. Therefore, I'd like to put it there as the best in slot, but not really the most legit in slot. It might be worth it to play both Time Spiral and Echo of Eons alongside eachother to counteract the lack of twister.
I don't know if I like Wheel of Fortune too much, since we're trying to abuse our library with the Narset trigger. A Wheel effect could be good, but I think this would only work if we create an asymmetrical situation with something like Narset, Parter of Veils (on my list of cards to test). I do believe that these kinds of effects are very strong in our pile, since we get to cheat stuff out. Maybe a Windfall as budget option?
I do like the inclusion of a little staxy pieces. I myself am also testing out Teferi, Time Raveler in the list, as it provides a good way to cancel out interaction on our turns. Also trying out Narset Transcendent in order to max out tutor value and card selection when needed, coupled with removal.
As for Ponder and Preordain, that's a tough call really. I personally don't like Gamble a whole lot, since it very often reads "discard tutored card". Something like a Trinisphere maybe, but I can very much see the merits behind that card. It's pretty hard to choose and also very dependent on the pilot of the deck, I guess :)
I also see Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and I'm currently thinking that the card might be an excellent wincon. Especially with ETI and Omni. How's Aggravated Assault been in your list? What about JTMS and Dack? Really feeling this discussion!!
5 months ago
5 months ago
Cards I love for superfriends are Pir, Imaginative Rascal and Oath of Teferi. They allow you to get to your ultimates really quickly. I also like including as many planeswalkers with game ending ultimates as possible. That's why I use Narset Transcendent, Tamiyo, Field Researcher, Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, and Venser, the Sojourner. I just wish I owned a Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. If any one of those planeswalkers gets to their ultimate it puts you at a huge advantage.
6 months ago
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