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Urza's Guilt
Sorcery
Each player draws two cards, then discards three cards, then loses 4 life.
Optimator on
Mermaider
3 years ago
Exsanguinate, Torment of Hailfire, Painful Quandary, Breathstealer's Crypt (love this one!! Like, a lot), Forsaken Wastes, Vile Consumption, Sovereign's Bite, Profane Command, Phthisis, Famine, Undermine (love this one!), Clutch of the Undercity, Twilight Prophet, Netherborn Phalanx, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Erebos, God of the Dead, Duskmantle Seer, Dire Fleet Ravager, Urza's Guilt, Laquatus's Champion, Howling Banshee, Pierce Strider
Nordlys on
U/b discard
6 years ago
Hi there, i'll share all the knowledge i've gathered after playing discard decks for more than 5 years (i've built monoblack creatureless discard, monoblack creature discard, UB discard, RB discard, Grixis discard, specter discard, etc.).
The first i see here is that you don't have anything to deal with the board, so you'll more than probably die to anything that hits the board, even a simple 3/1 two-drop. Your deck relies too much on damaging your opponent through giving him many cards and forcing him to discard not that many; the only card in your deck that punishes him this way is Liliana's Caress and that's it, it's not reliable. You also run two copies of Painful Quandary which it's ideal mechanics are to punish your opponent for having no hand, but since you are forcing him to draw so many cards, he'll always have the option to discard while playing a spell (only taking 2 damage from Liliana's Caress and only if you have the enchant on the battlefield).
You have many cards that allow you or your opponent to draw and discard cards, but you only have Alms of the Vein to exploit this mechanic, so get rid of those or stick in more madness cards.
The description says "the goal of this deck is to get your opponent as low as possible", but you can't do that quickly by relying only on 4 copies of Liliana's Caress while you'll be recieving lot's of threats and hits. Master of the Feast will for sure get destroyed by any of the thousands removal spells you'll force your opponent to draw, so it won't be dealing too much damage if any.
Suggestions
Let's work on the solution. First of all, you need your deck to have more consistant way to deal damage and you also need to get rid of your opponent's threats until you've reached mid-late game and you can develop your winning mechanics.
Since you have almost no creature, let's take advantage of that so that you can trade one card of yours for many cards of your opponent. Good cards to do this, depending on the money you want to spend are, for example, Drown in Sorrow , Yahenni's Expertise , Languish and Damnation.
You also need to be faster or at least to be able to delay your opponent's strategy. A way of doing this is by disrupting his early moves to wreck his plan. Cards like Inquisition of Kozilek , Thoughtseize , Duress and Despise excell at doing so.
To strenghten the draw and discard engine you have many cards at your disposal. I don't know if you want to keep the deck in the modern format or to build a casual free of legal restriction deck, so I'll recommend a variety of cards like Chains of Mephistopheles , Probe , Wheel and Deal , Ill-Gotten Gains , Urza's Guilt , Anvil of Bogardan , Whispering Madness , Dark Deal , Font of Mythos , Forced Fruition , Geier Reach Sanitarium , Memory Jar and Temple Bell.
You need more cards than Liliana's Caress to punish your opponent for discarding or drawing cards. All of these are good for the task, suit yourself: Underworld Dreams , Psychosis Crawler , Fate Unraveler , Waste Not , Megrim and Words of Waste.
Since you and your opponent will be drawing lots of cards, you will be able to discard cards too or abuse your card-drawing. This does not only work well for madness, but also with delve, retrace and other cards. Consider some of these: Chain of Smog , Last Rites , Big Game Hunter , Raven's Crime , Syphon Life , Cunning Lethemancer , Necrogen Mists , Psychotic Haze , Call to the Netherworld , Dark Withering , Gibbering Descent and also Sphinx's Tutelage.
You'll be forcing your opponent to draw many many cards, so you'll need cards that make him discard more than one to win the trade. Consistant massive discard cards are for example this ones: Brink of Madness , Mindstab , Mind Twist , Mind Shatter or Delirium Skeins.
Which ones and how many
Pick the ones you like the most according to their mana costs and their price. Also consider the ammount of black mana symbols in their cost, because you'll be playing a two colors deck.
Try to keep it as balanced as you can in terms of cards functions. Maybe 30% draw/discard engine - 30% draw/discard punishment - 20% massive discard - 10% 1drops quality discard - 10% board whipe. You'll have to test and adjust the numbers.
I know most of those cards are black, but you can keep it UB if you want to. Best version I've made of this strategy was using Grixis (Blue Black and Red) because there's a lot of red cards that force both players to discard and draw like Burning Inquiry and Reforge the Soul for example. Grixis also enables the use of Nekusar, the Mindrazer , Blightning , Sedraxis Specter , Blazing Specter and Dack Fayden.
I hope it's helpful! Best wishes!
WesomeNight on
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sedris (EDH)
7 years ago
Dreadbore seems kinda meh to me... You could use/find better removal. Damnation could be fine but consider Decree of Pain. Cruel Ultimatum only targets one opponent so its powerful but not effective vs the entire board. IMO Commandeer seems like a better option and if you are wheeling/refilling your hand it should make for an apt counter. Urza's Guilt surely you could find better instant speed draw effects. I understand that it affects all players, but it seems kinda weak tbh.
So I don't know why you don't run these but you should consider Hive Mind and Phyrexian Tyranny.. Both would help your deck.
Izu_Korasu on
YOU GET NOTHING! YOU LOSE! GOOD-DAY-SIR!
7 years ago
wheel effects like Jace's Archivist, Lore Broker, Windfall, Wheel and Deal, Whispering Madness, and i thing Day's Undoing works. and even cards like Edric, Spymaster of Trest help, but leovold is a huge target so Swiftfoot Boots, Asceticism, Lightning Greaves etc will be important.
and fun effects like Breathstealer's Crypt, Urza's Guilt and various discard spells will help you keep their hands empty (like Necrogen Mists) and maybe discard effect spells like Recall or Sickening Dreams ... oh and hand size increases like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Praetor's Counsel, Reliquary Tower, Thought Vessel, Venser's Journal.
the <> eldrazi may be difficult to reliably cast, and may not be worth it, especially with such a low cost/complex mana general, your going to want UGB on turn three the majority of games (or sooner)
Nordlys on
Discard Until Death
7 years ago
I made the same mistake when I first saw Liliana's Caress; I tried building a discard deck around her and the only thing that didn't work well was herself. Now she watches me win, from outside my deck, next to another useless dead weight known as Quest for the Nihil Stone.
If you want to save money and time, trust me, get rid of both. I've been playing monoblack discard since about five years ago and been trying everything since then to work out my lovely deck.
I'll admit that I also love Liliana's Caress, because of it's illustration and the flavour of the card itself. So, I did found a way to make a deck around her (I actually builded two totally different)...
One of them, is Grixis, and pretty much consists in making all players drawing and discarding each turn as much as it can; it's something that's bennefitial to you, but cruel to your foe who's under Liliana's Caress charm. Cards like Anvil of Bogardan, Burning Inquiry, Underworld Dreams, Urza's Guilt, Blightning, Whispering Madness, Font of Mythos, etc.
The other one is mostly annoying, and an original creation of mine, beware:
Hatefully Annoying U/B Deck
Casual*
SCORE: 1 | 59 VIEWS
Holtzman on
Nekusar's wheel
8 years ago
Urza's Guilt is amazing
do you find your opponents don't have enough cards to discard for damage, you might run Howling Mine, Kami of the Cresent Moon, Dictate of Kruphix, Temple Bell. It ramps up peoples discard pool and generates good feelings