Undermine

Undermine

Instant

Counter target spell. Its controller loses 3 life.

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Set Rarity
Duel Decks: Ajani vs. Nicol Bolas (DDH) Rare
Invasion (INV) Rare

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Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Highlander Legal
2019-10-04 Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

Undermine occurrence in decks from the last year

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.0%

Undermine Discussion

DemonDragonJ on Double Masters

1 month ago

Why does the promo version of Mana Crypt have flavor text when the regular version does not?

I know that they are not likely to be reprinted in this set, but I would like to see both Undermine and Recoil reprinted, to keep them available and inexpensive, since Absorb was reprinted, recently.

Chromatic Lantern would be another nice reprint, to keep its price low and its availability high.

ShreddedByCrows on Surrakar tribal challenge

5 months ago

Cool concept, even if it's pretty hard to match. A bit of an easy take on your theme, but why don't you play some Shapeshifters as a way to have more Surrakar? Tribal cards also could help.

As Surrakars' living places are mostly wild forests and underground rivers, there's a lot to do with that without having to back up only on the Zendikar's expansions.

1.) River cards:

  • River of Tears not the best land you could find, but fits in there

  • Underground River certainly an essential

  • Bad River cheap fetchland fitting the theme

  • Rushing River great removal, really underplayed, fits the theme / you can try something revolving around self land destruction if you decide to give it a try (Crop Rotation, Crucible of Worlds, Wasteland, etc.)

  • River Kelpie interesting creature, which design feels otherworldly and weird, according to the Surrakars /n needs a graveyard gameplan to be effective, and that will seem fine (obvious synergy is [card:Cauldron of Souls] and it's a playable card in there) / pretty good interactions with Yarok / card draw

  • Carpet of Flowers staple in lots of decks for mana production, depends on your playgroup though

  • Dire Undercurrents excellent synergies with Yarok, enabling your creatures without etb-abilities to be more effective / card draw, card advantage

  • Undermine weird counterspell, not really that good, not bad either / illustration matches with the theme

2.) Cave cards:

3.) Cloning your Surrakars cards:

  • Mirror of the Forebears not the most flavourful one, but gives you a cheap way to get more Surrakars so it deserves being at least mentioned

  • Fated Infatuation same comment as for the Mirror, with the advantage of the more abstract card name / waterpoint in the illustration

  • Mimic Vat classic card, not the most flavourful

  • Wall of Stolen Identity more of a Ravnica-themed card, but worth mentioning

  • Phantasmal Image if you can alter a bit the card's image, it could be some Surrakar there / otherwise, it's a good card, and the illustration is strange enough to not injure your theme-deck-style imo

  • Metamorphic Alteration also a nice one

  • Mirror Image not as good as the others, still a wildish illustration style according well with Surrakars

  • Unstable Shapeshifter funny card, a quality+ illustration

  • Bramble Sovereign Surrakars also living in the Guum Wilds/Tangled Vale, this one feels really good / has some interactions with Yarok

  • Rite of Replication Zendikar-themed, water-themed, excellent card, good interactions with Yarok

  • Supplant Form let's just assume for a while that this is Surrakar's magic lel

  • Dual Nature yeh it is slow, but it is strong / interactions with Yarok

4.) Tribal outlet:

5.) Yarok outlet

6.) Other cards

I hope you'll find something helpful amongst those suggestions, keep on brewing and thanks for sharing it!

Ziabo on Thousand-Year Kess

5 months ago

Jace_Nalaar

Sorry it's been a minute but finally getting around to physically upgrading this deck.

I appreciate all of your imput and please don't think it's gone unnoted Here is the list I currently have for replacements

Manalith - Arcane Signet Think this would just work better IMO

Crumbling Necropolis - Coalition Relic ^

Fetch - Temple of the False God Think this would be better due to having more mana rocks.

Fetch - Izzet Boilerworks - ^

Dissipate - Swan Song - You're right.

Rewind - Muddle the Mixture - You're right.

Undermine - Disallow - Looks better

Liliana - Narset, Parter of Veils - Idk about this but will give it a shot

Comet Storm - Anger of the Gods - Better removal

X - Finale of Promise - Idk what to sub...

Dreadbore - Fire Covenant - Better removal

Fabricate - Demonic Tutor - Duh lol

Toxic Deluge - Black Sun's Zenith - Life's a resource yeah?

Rakdos Signet - Fellwar Stone - Easier Filter Ramp

X - Lightning Greaves - Kessy Likes to draw attention to herself...

Basic- Talisman of Dominance

Basic - Talisman of Indulgence

X - Past in Flames

Basic - Commander's Sphere

I know you've spent a lot of time in your previous suggestions, and I really appreciate the effort man Honestly. Would you mind taking a look at what I've come up with and see if there's any room for the X's?

About to put an order in for an upgrade on this. Kessy is going to be my first cEDH deck I wanna upgrade.

The Budget has been increased but still things like Mana Drain, Yawgmoth's Will and stupidly priced cards like that are still a no go for obvious reasons lol.

Jace_Nalaar on Thousand-Year Kess

7 months ago

Ziabo, no worries dude. For a meta that plays that big, I can definitely see the need for slightly slower cards in favor of wider effect. In that case, I would see if you can slot in Mindbreak Trap for Undermine (yet another one I totally forgot about). Free is always better, and that'll eliminate the stack entirely. I think in a big meta like that Flusterstorm would only be better. More spells make it harder to deal with. Also, totally missed the Increasing Vengeance when I looked through. Hundred Card lists are hard to see for the whole thing sometimes lol.

Regardless, it looks like it's a lot of fun and I hope you hit flow on it next game!

Jace_Nalaar on Thousand-Year Kess

7 months ago

Love the match-up. I run TYS Kess as well, and it can run super smooth. I have a few quality of life upgrades I can recommend, but ultimately everything has to come down to what works best in your local meta.

For starters, I would reduce the land count by about 3-5. Particularly, I would cut Nykthos and then a combo of islands and/or swamps. Devotion works well in mono to two color decks, but TYS relies on you pulling spells more than lands or permanents, so you won't get as much value out of it here. Instead, I'd recommend Temple of the False God . Most times, you can get it online fairly regularly and having one land that taps for 2 colorless is pretty dope. I'd also recommend either the Dimir Aqueduct or Izzet Boilerworks . Karoo lands may set you back just a bit, but you want as much value as you can get out of it. Ultimately, I'd say drop back to 34 lands, and add Temple and a Karoo land of your preference into that mix.

Next, you have a decent creature-base, but I would tweak and trim that a little bit as well. I'd sub out Hypersonic Dragon for Backdraft Hellkite and remove Crypt Ghast and Consecrated Sphinx . All of those are solid choices in most cases, but Ghast hits the same issue that Nykthos does. Hypersonic is decent for value, but opening your graveyard further with Backdraft so you're not limited to just 1 card per turn is huge on your storm turn. Lastly, Sphinx is an absolute monster of a card, but it might come out a little too late to really get you ahead. I'd add a Mystic Remora , but that's personal preference. Honestly, Sphinx could go either way depending on your meta.

As for Instants, I'd sub out Boomerang for Chain of Vapor , Counterflux for Flusterstorm , Countersquall for Negate , Dissipate for Swan Song , Reverberate for Increasing Vengeance , Rewind for Muddle the Mixture , and Undermine for Disallow . My reasoning for Chain is that most people won't sacrifice a land to copy it, and if you really need to save something, you can do it to yourself, sac a land, and then bounce someone else's permanent. Not to mention, it's a good way to keep something heavy off the board if they use a ritual to sneak a threat in early. As for the counterspells, some of them in there seem a little narrow compared to the ones you had (i.e. they target specific card types), but the most threatening things you'll deal with on your main storm turn are instants and cards with flash, so conditional counters work as good defense for off-turn threats. Also, Muddle the Mixture is a great tutor if you have a lot of 2 CMC cards, because it will fetch you any of them for just 3 mana. It also doubles as a counterspell sometimes. For Increasing Vengeance , I always recommend this over other red copy spells because it gets so much more value out of the graveyard, even more so if you cast it with Kess. Instead of having to pay the flashback, you play its normal CMC and get a double-copy for the price of one (not to mention its interaction with TYS).

Artifacts, I'd swap Manalith and Vedalken Orrery for Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Creativity . Extra mana rocks will help you get around land destruction, and provide you extra mana acceleration earlier. They also don't require you to filter mana the same way the signets do, but in exchange they do hurt.

I'd see if you can fit a Narset, Parter of Veils in place of Liliana. She works wonders for digging purposes, and totally shuts down everyone else's draw.

Lastly, for sorceries, I'd remove Barter in Blood , Decree of Pain , Fabricate , and Mana Geyser . In their place, I'd put Anger of the Gods , Cabal Ritual , Entomb , and Desperate Ritual . Anger absolutely nukes graveyard value, and if you hit it off storm it only gets stronger. Cabal Ritual works as a much more efficient black ritual once you hit threshold, which you should hit fairly quickly if you're cantripping and looting often. Entomb is just as good as tutoring to hand with Kess because if you're looking for a spell, just pitch it and cast it without conditions.

Wow, that was a lot longer than I expected. For some final additions, I'd recommend Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast , Narset's Reversal , Arcane Denial , and Fire Covenant . REB/Pyro works as a good defender on storm turn and can remove a pesky blue permanent that's complicating your life. Narset's Reversal is excellent at protecting your own spells from counters, providing you extra iterations of those spells if you have excess mana, and copying particularly useful spells from other players if you don't want to be effected by them. Arcane Denial is an excellent cheap counter that, though it draws you and an opponent cards, works as a decent political tool and can buy you an extra turn when you're storming off. Lastly, Fire Covenant is a great targeted wipe spell. If you put enough life in it, you can take out just about any number of creatures that are giving you headaches without losing your own in the process.

Overall, I see a lot of potential in the deck and think it could be super smooth with a few changes. The biggest enemy in EDH is inconsistency, so you have to fight that harder than most of your opponents. Also, life is a resource too. Starting at 40 makes it really easy to pay life into spells. I hope this almost dictionary of changes helps, and I look forward to seeing it progress!

Good luck!

DemonDragonJ on New commander products

8 months ago

This is very awesome, but I worry about being overloaded with products, that WotC may be focusing on quantity rather than quality; however, I shall make an effort to remain optimistic about it.

On a more positive note, I am very pleased to learn that there shall be a great number of reprints, since there are many cards that I feel need to be reprinted, and my most desired reprints are Book of Rass , Akroma's Memorial , Vedalken Orrery , Rhystic Study , and Reflecting Pool , but some other reprints that would be nice are Dromar, the Banisher , Undermine , Recoil , Fire Covenant , Fungal Shambler , and Tsabo Tavoc . I am certain that I shall remember more cards as time passes, so I shall mention them, here.

Also, is that a new incarnation of Baron Sengir? Yes, finally! I am certain that many long-time players have been waiting for years for this, and I know that I am one of those players; I have very high expectations for that card, since a character of his iconic status deserves nothing less than the best.

Will Commander Collection replace Signature Spellbook? I certainly hope not, since only two of those have been released thus far, and there are still many more characters who have not yet received their own.

patrickd117 on Scarab God Future

9 months ago

I'm not a big fan of: Butcher of Malakir It's a lot of mana, even if you're getting it reanimated. Stitcher Geralf has never impressed me. It's so slow and uses the same resource as Scarab. Unclaimed Territory has gotten worse and worse as you've cut more and more zombies. It's strictly worse than a swamp now, since you have no zombies that cost U. Undermine is just kinda worse than so many other options. Three damage just doesn't tend to matter. Same with Countersquall .

Generally, I think you want more ramp. Burnished Hart jumps to mind as a good option.

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