Undermine

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Duel Decks: Ajani vs. Nicol Bolas (DDH) Rare
Invasion (INV) Rare

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Undermine

Instant

Counter target spell. Its controller loses 3 life.

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Undermine Discussion

triproberts12 on Psychic Strike or Thought Collapse?

6 days ago

The thing about Dream Fracture and Arcane Denial is that they aren't card advantage for opponents. If you're in a 4-player game, countering a spell, costs you a card, and one opponent a card. So, you're at -1, and the table is at an average of -1/3, meaning you're at 2/3 of a card's worth of disadvantage. If you Dream Fracture , you're down no cards, the owner of the target spell is down no cards, meaning you and the table are at parity. If you Arcane Denial , you end up down no cards, the owner of the target spell is up one card, and the other two players are unaffected, meaning you're at 1/3 of a card's worth of disadvantage relative to the table. A few life isn't worth card advantage in Commander. Countersquall only makes the list because it's a second copy of Negate , which is good because it's 2 mana. Undermine is bad, since to cost 3 mana, you need to get some utility. A lot of people compare scry in 60-card formats to half a card, since lands are useless in the late game, but it's more like a third of a card in Commander, but even with that adjustment, Dissolve and Sinister Sabotage only put you down a third of a card relative to the table. The others I mentioned are all more circumstantial, but to get much better, you'll have to drop big bucks on Mana Drain and Cryptic Command .

DemonDragonJ on Psychic Strike or Thought Collapse?

6 days ago

So, it seems that the general consensus here is that I should not have either card in my deck unless that deck has a dedicated milling strategy; I already have both Countersquall and Disallow in that deck, but I still appreciate those suggestions.

Of all the cards that everyone else has suggested, Dissolve appeals to me the most; Arcane Denial and Dream Fracture are nice, but I do not wish to give my opponents card advantage.

What about Undermine ? Is that a worthy replacement, or would it be redundant, as I already have countersquall in that deck?

cdkime on Ravnica Allegiance: Spoilers and Speculation

3 weeks ago

Let’s not forget that Ionize does, in fact, deal more damage than Undermine . Everything that triggers off life loss will trigger off either; anything that triggers odd damage will only trigger off Ionize .

Darkshadow327 on Ravnica Allegiance: Spoilers and Speculation

3 weeks ago

Basically because of the deck they would be in coltron518. Izzet will deal a lot of damage quickly, and Ionize just helps with that. Odds are good that I won't be able to recover. While Undermine does technically deal more damage Dimir tends to be slower, this means that I can recover.

Basically the damage means little to me I guess (in a vacuum). What I'm more concerned about is the deck that these cards go in.

Darkshadow327 on Ravnica Allegiance: Spoilers and Speculation

3 weeks ago

I think what I was more trying to get at was the situation the 2 cards are used in. In the case of facing dimir I would be more ok with looses the 3 life from Undermine . Dimir is more controlly so it doesn't do as much damage, whereas Izzet tends to do a lot of damage faster.

IDK, I guess it's more personal preference than anything else. I would honestly rather get hit by an Undermine than an Ionize (I think I'm just weird like that, lol).

coltron518 on Ravnica Allegiance: Spoilers and Speculation

3 weeks ago

DemonDragonJ: because Ionize deals 2 damage while Undermine does 3. one is a Counterspell with a Shock attached, the other is a Counterspell with a Lightning Bolt attached.

DemonDragonJ on Ravnica Allegiance: Spoilers and Speculation

3 weeks ago

Darkshadow327, that is exactly what Undermine does, so I fail to see why Ionize is acceptable, but undermine is not.

DemonDragonJ on Ravnica Allegiance: Spoilers and Speculation

3 weeks ago

Mark Rosewater mentioned in his article last week that, when WotC decided to reprint Absorb in Ravnica Allegiance, they also were contemplating reprinting Undermine in Guilds of Ravnica (since both sets were obviously in development at the same time), but ultimately decided to not do that, because they felt that making a player lose life was more powerful than making a player gain life, a decision that I feel is ridiculous, since they printed Ionize in the first set, a card that is almost as powerful as Undermine .

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