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Clutch of the Undercity
Return target permanent to its owner's hand. Its controller loses 3 life.
Transmute (1)(Blue)(Black) ((1)(Blue)(Black), Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same converted mana cost as this card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library. Play only as a sorcery.)
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Clutch of the Undercity Discussion
3 weeks ago
I like the build you have here, and I certainly understand the stax elements involved, especially since you have access to white, but I might suggest running a more linear build that focuses more on getting to your combos as quickly as possible as opposed to trying to slip in a few stax options to slow down your opponents. My Aluren-based deck is a Muldrotha build, which skips white obviously, but becomes even more consistent as a result. Adding several additional cantrip creatures and multiple combo options (Torment of Hailfire, Grim Guardian, Kalastria Healer, Walking Ballista) that can potentially function with or without both Aluren and Cloudstone Curio on the board has helped to make the deck much more consistent in ending the game immediately once I find the pieces to one of the combo options, and turns 4 through 6 are fairly common. The potential for recursion with Muldrotha also makes many of the options in this deck far more difficult to deny, as outside of graveyard hate, exiling enchantments and artifacts can be tough. Check it out here - and sorry for the lack of a description just yet, I didn't upload the decklist to the site until a few months ago.
Commander / EDH*
A couple of notes I will make otherwise for you to consider in your build - I find Grim Guardian and Kalastria Healer as more consistent options for the combo kill than Parasitic Strix, as neither of them are targeted abilities, and they both trigger the Curio when they ETB, eliminating the need for a specific third creature in the combo (any will do). Prowling Serpopard basically makes the deck unstoppable, and definitely deserves consideration. Dimir House Guard and Clutch of the Undercity are essentially uncounterable tutors to grab Aluren, which are really helpful. Deceiver Exarch, Rishadan Cutpurse and Sedraxis Alchemist are all excellent at forcing your opponents to use up their resources, which can potentially help take the place of stax pieces or just tap or eliminate their mana sources prior to going for the kill.
Hopefully there are some helpful ideas in here to help you get to the decklist that best suits your meta. Happy building and happy holidays.
3 months ago
Solar Flare was an old standard Esper control list based on ramp with signets and the like, and existed around kamigawa-ravnica standard, http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/12799_The_History_of_Solar_Flare.html has more info on the topic, but it ran sweepers, big threats, ramp, recursion, counterspells, card draw, and removal, as any normal control list does.
The main threats Solar Flare ran were Angel of Despair, Meloku the Clouded Mirror, Yosei, the Morning Star, and Kokusho, the Evening Star, and had really cool interactions such as using non-land ramp like Dimir Signet in conunctions with karoos like Azorius Chancery to get mana through Hokori, Dust Drinker and used effects that discard like Sift and Compulsive Research along with Zombify.
Some of the countermagic it ran were along the likes of Mana Leak and Remand, it had sweepers like Wrath of God, and removal ranging from Mortify to Condemn, and even ran discard like Persecute. It ran Clutch of the Undercity as removal, burn, and a tutor for Wrath of God, Persecute, Zombify, Sift, Ivory Mask, and Hokori, Dust Drinker, and made it have extreme versatility.
5 months ago
Cool I thought that it was cool that Fleshwrither (The only card to use the keyword Transfigure), could fetch Zur the Enchanter. If you want some more tutors on a budget for Zur the Enchanter, Fleshwrither, Dimir House Guard, and Clutch of the Undercity all work, and the transmutes also fetch Replenish/Retether
11 months ago
I like Torment of Hailfire well enough. One way or another, it is pretty punishing. There are a lot of token decks in my meta, and it is not the best at punishing them. I find Choice of Damnations to be very underwhelming. I frequently find it ends up being an inefficient damage spell at somewhere between 6-10 single target player damage. An Exsanguinate is often better in both of those slots, especially in decks that like to extend the game.
As for a lot of those enchantments, I have a hard time introducing even light stax into my meta. This deck as is has made people balk, and this is even less stax-y than yours. I have to work in ways that punish deck archetypes, but still allow people to play their decks. That is the beauty of Queen Marchesa: Politics, Aikido, and Control. Everyone gets to play their deck out, people fall one at a time, and then someone faces off against Marchesa. About 80% of the time, she scrapes out a win, and everyone seems to think it is a plain lucky win that happened because everyone just handed it to me. Little do they know that it is because I have engineered a board state that very subtly supports that outcome. Stax tends to make games unfun for my friends. I have to go very light on stax, and then make my stax-esque pieces avoidable if they just don't attack me. That is sort of my goal here as well.
I am thinking about my endgame tactics after a few games. Bloodchief Ascension and Zur's Weirding are cool together, and gives very strong control, but it is slow, and people seem to hate Zur's Weirding. I am thinking about strengthening the Paradox Engine combo, adding some specific hate for common deck archetypes that synergize with the rest of the deck, and then adding a few bomb finishers that are good for control decks. At this point, I am thinking:
Man-o'-War -> Unwinding Clock Take out a duplicate bounce and add to the power of the mana rock suite. And that artwork is amazing. Need it in foil. May go further and add Vedalken Orrery for playing on other people's turns. A sort of ad hoc semi-Prophet of Kruphix.
Tidehollow Strix -> Aven Mindcensor This would hate on anyone with too many tutors and fetches, and specifically slows combo decks. If this works well, I may add Mindlock Orb. If I do this, fetches and other tutors will be removed. Which may increase the need for my next change.
Clutch of the Undercity -> Lim-Dul's Vault Removal of a bad tutor for a not-really-tutor, to help get around Mindlock Orb. If this change happens, then possibly will need to remove Expedition Map for the same reason. Cards with alternate uses besides tutoring could stay.
Not sure how, but would like to add Energy Field and Rest in Peace, possibly some other pillow fort cards. I find Pillow Fort to be incredibly political. Maybe exchange Merieke Ri Berit for Zur the Enchanter, and may rework my utility creatures, planning to help speed up my Pillow Fort. This may conflict with Mindlock Orb. Not sure what is working and what is not.
Cultivator's Caravan -> A different mana rock. I can only crew this with Sen Triplets, an enemy creature I steal, or multiple creatures, unless my utility creatures get bigger. May trial this for a bit longer. Enemy creatures may become my mainstay for crewing this, but I have a feeling that this is less than optimal. I am considering Chrome Mox in this slot, or Grim Monolith. Either that or a finisher like Sun Titan or Consecrated Sphinx to get value and fill that finisher spot as well.
Wash Out -> Another mass bounce or straight board wipe spell. Stealing creatures to bounce them back to their owners' hands is not cool. This would work better in a different deck. Still, I need mass control.
Artifact lands -> Basics. Artifact hate may become too much for me to withstand. Need a balance.
Annyway, after some more play testing, I think I am narrowing in on the interesting style of control you can get in a Sen Triplets deck. It has been fun so far.
1 year ago
The deck in question is IntruZur Alarm | Zur EDH.
Zur the Enchanter helps a ton in the tutor department, but he can't grab everything.
The tutors I have so far are: Diabolic Tutor, Razaketh's Rite, Recruiter of the Guard, Open the Armory, Demonic Collusion, Enlightened Tutor. Please note that I'm only running the handful of $10 tutors because I already had them.
Now, this seems like a decent tutor package to me. But I wanted to know if there are any other budget tutors that might be slightly better. Also I suppose a good question would be: How many tutors should I run? Is 6 enough? Too many? Hopefully looking at the decklist and my beginnings of a primer will help you determine that.
Additionally, I've come across the Transmute ability and wanted to know what you all thought of it. Sub-optimal of course, but budget. Clutch of the Undercity, Dimir House Guard, Dimir Infiltrator, Dimir Machinations, Drift of Phantasms, Muddle the Mixture, Perplex, and Shred Memory all get one or two of my pieces, and have the added flexibility of being normal spells. Are any of these worth running over, say, Demonic Collusion or Razaketh's Rite?
Would love to hear any thoughts/opinions! Thanks in advance!
1 year ago
1 year ago
I would remove Clutch of the Undercity for Ensnaring Bridge or maybe Behind the Scenes just to make all your small vamps unblockable. This seems like a fun deck that goes off without much of a warning, great deck
1 year ago
Are you using Garza Zol, Plague Queen for any reason? The new legendary Inalla, Archmage Ritualist is pretty easy to get right now, and taps for effects(and lets you get copies of Trinket Mage and Inspired Sprite to get more draws/artifact search.) Praetor's Grasp is always an amazing card to find something in an opponents deck.
Since you have a combo you want to get out, you might like cards like Whir of Invention, Artificer's Intuition, the more expensive Fabricate to get paradise out, and for getting the Freed from the Real try Drift of Phantasms and Dimir Machinations. You can also run the other transmute's like Dizzy Spell or Clutch of the Undercity etc. to find other things in your deck too.
Racecourse Fury is not especially high on the threat list, so you can have essentially free haste-enable on the cheap.Quicksilver Dagger enables tap+damage+draw a card for cheap. Unscythe, Killer of Kings is a silly card that might find a place.Hematite Talisman and Lapis Lazuli Talisman let you untap other creatures to boot.
I'd lose some of the instant/one-off untaps- they're cheap but only good for one motion, whereas you want to be doing it over and over again. Same with ETB like Breaching Hippocamp. Chain Stasis is fun because you could pay 2 to do it again on another creature, making it 2 - trigger inspired. Tidal Bore can let you get out an extra untap or tap when you're strapped for mana.
Thassa's Ire isn't the most mana-effective option but it's a one-drop that lets you do it over and over again as long as you have mana. You also may want something like Fortuitous Find to bring back things. Recurr is always good! :D