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Creature — Fish
When Deepglow Skate enters the battlefield, double the number of each kind of counter on any number of target permanents.
Deepglow Skate Discussion
6 days ago
I think its largely irrelevant to keep arguing. I think anyone that thinks they would be OP should just build a deck and playtest it in their group.
If you want to argue OP Planeswalkers, you should probably argue for something that isn't Elspeth, Sun's Champion which would be really bad no matter how you spin it. She makes a couple tokens, or board wipes, for a ridiculous amount of mana. She doesn't have any innate combo potential with The Chain Veil , she can't run Doubling Season or Deepglow Skate . Some Planeswalkers would be powerful, Elspeth would be pretty damn Casual. Let's not even get into the fact, Mono-White...
You need abilities that impact the game in a significant way. Teferi, Temporal Archmage is good because he has abilities that can win the game, and he can run Stax effects without hurting himself much. Any deck worth it's weight can give Teferi a run for his money though. He shouldn't be banned, because he isn't that oppressive. He wins games, sometimes, and there are plenty of decks that can beat him.
Think about how many Planeswalkers are actually worth running, then figure out which of those would be good in the Command Zone. Are those you have left over ban worthy? I don't think so.
I play cEDH and I have Atraxa Superfriends to play as my pimp/Casual deck. Planeswalkers are cool, they are fun, and I love them, but Planeswalkers =/= Competitive. 95% of them would be perfectly find in the Command Zone, and a few would build really good decks, but I don't see any as oppressive as Leovold, Emissary of Trest for example.
6 days ago
PhotogenicParasympathetic (love the name, forgot to mention that prior)
I think we are in agreement. Wizards should print walkers that aren't busted in the command zone from time to time, but not just make all walkers commanders. I love Aminatou, Teferi (the one that can be your commander), the commander Saheeli, the Izzet partner commanders, etc. I just don't think retroactively adding the commander text to all walkers is smart.
PlatinumOne I hope you didn't play in Theros Standard with Elspeth. It was a card that, due to its high mana cost, and lack of immediate impact, outside of a Captain's Call , wasn't expected to be strong. It took over standard, however, because if you didn't have creatures to deal with it, you'd die to tokens. If you didn't have creatures with trample, you'd get chump-blocked. If your creatures with trample don't have at least be ~4/4, they'd get triple blocked and killed. If the opponent DOES have those creatures, they get swept.
There were weaknesses, small evasive creatures, with flying, etc. can get in, removal for walkers is strong, giving them just the Captain's Call of value, or just a sort-of sweeper. Counter it. Fine. You won't be able to beat it though because it is a commander. It can be recast. It has value forever and is incredibly potent. UW Control in Modern, most every white standard list at the time, etc. It has shown to be a potent card.
I will say I agree with you on a lot. Kokusho, the Evening Star isn't a broken commander. It is a vulnerable deck, and isn't a strong deck compared to cEDH decks, nor is such a one-card engine like Elspeth that it can have a lackluster deck behind it and still do well in casual circles. You need to run reanimation, and most good reanimation costs a lot of money, so the deck sort of requires the money that would generally place it in higher circles than the casual crowd.
I only mentioned that cards like Doubling Season might be a problem for its price. Not effect. There are 20 worse combo enablers I can think of off of the top of my head. Laboratory Maniac / Demonic Consultation / Tainted Pact ... ugh. Anyway, for price concerns, I think you can see the issue, but if it got reprinted into the ground, along with Deepglow Skate / The Chain Veil , I would have no issues with it as a card.
The only true combo I see being broken is Tezzeret the Seeker never has mono-blue had a commander fetch the whole of a combo on its own, with just mana to cast it. Arcum Dagsson takes artifact creatures, and roughly 20 more cards in the deck to go off than a Tezzeret the Seeker deck, and Teferi, Temporal Archmage being the only deck close to Tezzeret, of which Teferi being a tier 1 cEDH deck I'd argue is only about ~2/3rds the power of Tezzeret is the issue. If the best decks in the format are only ~2/3rds the power of a deck (up to debate of course), then that deck is the new best deck in the format, with no decks equal to it.
Because of Fast mana and proper comboing, I expect this deck to average wins with interaction on turn 2-4. The average cEDH fast-combo deck can wins on turn 2-4 without interaction, and turns 3-5 with interaction from the opponents. I play mostly cEDH, and can say this deck is really scary. Against the current field I'd estimate a near 40% winrate, up from 25% for an average 4 player game.
That is my fear. Can you at least say ban Tezzeret or just not get mhim to be a commander if we make this change?
BTW Ugin sounds sweet as a commander.
1 week ago
Idk. I think the feel bads with cards like Doubling Season , Deepglow Skate (Imagine Venser, the Sojourner with it...), The Chain Veil all reaching astronomical prices if they don't get banned forcing player out of important decks in the meta.
Even if they do get banned, banning is bad for EDH, and the EDH rules committee has said they don't want to ban more cards.
1 week ago
You won't regret it. She actually does a lot for your deck. I mean blinking Deepglow Skate puts proliferate to shame. For the planeswalker its ETB followed by a blink should be able to max out everyone of them on the board. That's pretty insane.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Kiora's dambreaker is almost entirely worse than Deepglow Skate , except in rare instances where an opponent is one poison counter away from losing the game.
Angrath's anger is awesome, as it is less expensive than Bedevil and also circumvents shroud/hexproof, protection, and indestructibility, but the fact that it is a sorcery means that I prefer bedevil over it, since being an instant is easily worth 1 additional mana and is simply too major of an advantage to sacrifice for a lower mana cost.
3 weeks ago
Deepglow Skate occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%