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I am become death, destroyer of decks

Commander / EDH Control Mill U/B (Dimir)




Death is only the beginning...

Main win con is the Duskmantle Guildmage + Mindcrank combo.

Quietus Spike attached to any of my unblockable creatures with Mindcrank half life plus a ton of cards into the graveyard..

Rolling plenty of opponents decks to their graveyard and pulling back to my control with the likes of Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Beacon of Unrest, Grave Betrayal etc...

Also the ability to damage opponents with Lilliana's Caress, Megrim , and Underworld Dreams

Combo with Cast Through Time and Tamiyo, the Moon Sage ultimate is just evil. Cast spell, exile it, cast from exile, returns to graveyard, then returns to your hand, rinse repeat.

+1 if you enjoy. All suggestions welcome.



Dandelo says... #1

have you double checked that is legal with Sygg as your commander since Homicidal BruteMTG Card: Homicidal Brute is red and there's no red in Sygg's color identity?

January 29, 2012 12:01 a.m.

iSpamMan says... #2

After research the official ruling is both sides of the dual faced cards do determine a cards color identy. Thanks for pointing that out I will be switching him out today.

January 29, 2012 10:08 a.m.

permhole96 says... #3

bro, can you check out my EDH control project...

its called deck:you-cant-even-play-a-spell, id love some help.

as for your deck, a +1 for using Forced FruitionMTG Card: Forced Fruition, that card is fucking awesome!

also, have you considered Sen TripletsMTG Card: Sen Triplets? it would be perfect for you deck!

March 4, 2012 2:01 p.m.

blasdoise says... #4

Mindcrank would go well with Duskmantle Guildmage or Bloodchief Ascension for a win con

March 15, 2013 4:52 p.m.

TriforceJunkie says... #5

I spy some nasty lol. Nice job putting it together, if you get time check out my Bloody Brainfreeze deck, I'm having a time of it trying to fine tune it.

April 3, 2013 8:24 p.m.

Lustrigia says... #6

Let's fighting love

April 3, 2013 11:16 p.m.

Maximization says... #7

May I suggest Keening Stone

April 5, 2013 1:45 p.m.

iSpamMan says... #8

nice ill have to look at picking up a copy of that.

April 5, 2013 2:21 p.m.

Manji187 says... #9

The title fits the art of Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker a hell of a lot better.


April 11, 2013 4:25 p.m.

apt142 says... #10

I'd swap out Megrim for Liliana's Caress . They are more or less the same card except one is easier to cast.

Great deck by the way! I was looking to do a Lazav deck myself and there are a lot of great ideas in here.

April 12, 2013 8:46 a.m.

iSpamMan says... #11

@apt142 Thanks! My play group hates this deck but it is such a blast to play. Ill definitely look at including Lilliana's Caress

@Manji187 definitely a cool card, I may include him into the deck but I really prefer Lazav for my general.

April 12, 2013 10:21 a.m.

apt142 says... #12

Another couple of suggestions:

Replace Tome Scour with Vision Charm

Also, consider adding in a Nephalia Drownyard . Jwar Isle Refuge are cheap and easy to get a hold of and would help with mana fixing.

Psychic Strike seems like it would be a good fit here as well.

April 12, 2013 10:47 a.m.

apt142 says... #14

You've inspired me to create my own Lazav deck. You can see it here: Mr Sneaky Pants

April 15, 2013 3:21 p.m.

iSpamMan says... #15

April 16, 2013 10:29 a.m.

NBK_SHREDDER says... #16

How about Oona, Queen of the Fae , unless you dont like her exiling the cards. Understandable.

April 16, 2013 6:08 p.m.

NBK_SHREDDER says... #17

also Grindstone ?

April 16, 2013 6:49 p.m.

iSpamMan says... #18

I would love to have a Grindstone if I get the chance to ever pick one up. Oona, Queen of the Fae is nice but yea the exile just doesnt go with the theme.

April 16, 2013 6:58 p.m.

NBK_SHREDDER says... #19

Yeah that's what I thought, I have an EDH Mill deck myself, I have found that the exiling with Oona is very powerful because people can still play with the graveyard.


April 16, 2013 7:01 p.m.

diogonb says... #20

Awesome deck man, you have great cards here, it made me think about doing my commander, but, I don't think that the combo with Cast Through Time and Tamiyo, the Moon Sage works, because, please correct me if I'm wrong, the spells doesn't come back from the exile after the rebound works. And I also would suggest Brain Freeze it's a great milling card

April 17, 2013 6:47 p.m.

apt142 says... #21

Chancellor of the Spires and Diluvian Primordial might be a blast (quite literally) with all of those fully packed graveyards.

April 17, 2013 8:08 p.m.

iSpamMan says... #22

Nice suggestions ill definitely take them into consideration.

diogonb I do believe that is how Cast Through Time works , the ruling on Gatherer states "6/15/2010 If you cast a card from exile this way, it will go to your graveyard when it resolves or is countered. It won't go back to exile."


April 17, 2013 9:09 p.m.

diogonb says... #23

I've seen it now, after reading the rules, I've understood that you actually take the spell out from exile before you cast it again, so it returns to the graveyard after it's resolved, good idea for a combo man!

April 18, 2013 1:39 a.m.

Mxyzptlk says... #24

This deck is awesome! I just built my own UBR milling/discard commander deck: Rogues Are We. I'm also running Duskmantle Guildmage and Mindcrank and I didn't even notice how awesome that combo is, especially the way I focus on unblockability. +1

April 18, 2013 12:34 p.m.

iSpamMan says... #25

Mxyzptlk thanks!! It is by far my favorite EDH deck to run. When the Duskmantle Guildmage Mindcrank combo goes off, the look on my opponents faces is priceless.

April 18, 2013 12:40 p.m.

dcarpntr says... #26

Nice! I am going to steal some ideas from you. Thanks for the deck link!


April 19, 2013 2:03 p.m.

farKENoath says... #27

Ay bro. I've been working on a similar deck with some great results. I noticed that you are rocking a few unblockables, have you considered Ninjitsu creatures like Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni or Silent-Blade Oni ?

Awesome Mill strats, but you want to be careful of Eldrazis like Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre and similar cards. Bribery , Bitter Ordeal and Sadistic Sacrament can deal with these.

Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth will suit your Nirkana Revenant , you could also consider including Cabal Coffers to that effect.

I like your Hedron Crab , nice and cheap and with a sweet mill effect, might have to steal that one from you.

Check out my brew if your keen. It is a little less mill intensive but focuses on diversifying my win-cons. Lazav, Necrotic Mind Enslaver

April 21, 2013 12:41 a.m.

NBK_SHREDDER says... #28

Totally forgot about this card but Curse of the Bloody Tome might be a nice cheep addition

April 21, 2013 1:02 a.m.

iSpamMan says... #29

farKENoath thanks for the suggestions, I definately want to get a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth at some point, the Cabal Coffers would be a nice addition as well. I had not even thought of the Ninjitsu ill have to think about that. Hedron Crab is one of my all time favorite milling cards, usually doesn't last more than a round lol.

April 21, 2013 1:02 a.m.

iSpamMan says... #30

NBK_SHREDDER hey thanks, Curse of the Bloody Tome would definitely fit, ill have to take that into consideration.

April 21, 2013 1:05 a.m.

Long_Con says... #31

Mesmeric Orb is a must!

April 22, 2013 11:51 a.m.

OrigamiRobot says... #32

Eel Umbra is so good in response to a boardwipe.

May 10, 2013 3:32 p.m.

Tickles1929 says... #33

Jester's Cap , Sadistic Sacrament , and Extract and quite good with mill.

May 11, 2013 12:31 a.m.

Well, I don't care for mill in EDH, but.....

Hinder + Tunnel Vision .

I run it in my jhoira deck, as an alternate win-con.

May 27, 2013 12:17 a.m.

akivain says... #35

Lurking Informant . It's slow, but also the ability to control what your opponent draws is quite good.

In general, I'm not sure I like milling as a wincon, because its hard to work on a different goal than the rest of the group. Still, there's a player in our group I should give a lesson on what happens when he forces me not to play casually. This deck seems like a good, frustrating option.

May 27, 2013 9:13 a.m.

Joking101 says... #36

+1 for J. Robert Oppenheimer quote.

August 20, 2013 7:30 p.m.

jaredtritsch says... #37

Can I ask why you chose Lazav for the commander and not Oona or Szadek? They would seem like a more reliable source of mill than Lazav....

October 23, 2013 4:06 p.m.

jaredtritsch says... #38

Thassa, God of the Sea could do wonders here...

October 23, 2013 4:07 p.m.

Raphiezar says... #39

Phenax, God of Deception is insane for any mill deck, especially with the Consuming Aberration you have, along with Eater of the Dead , Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and any creature equipped with an Umbral Mantle .

May 28, 2014 6:52 a.m.

iKevin1215 says... #40

Deck name is a reference to a book, right?

November 27, 2014 11:39 p.m.

ecmmyers says... #41

Hey there!

Cool reference to either Oppenheimer (or the Bhagavad Gita). I was thinking of naming a Mimeoplasm deck the same thing.

If your main wincon is DuskCrank combo, I might recommend Muddle the Mixture and Dimir Infiltrator as tutors for those two pieces. Cut Inkfathom Infiltrator and Cathartic Adept.

Whispersilk Cloak and Thassa, God of the Sea are good evasion when you want a creature to connect (e.g with the spike). Plus he protects Szadek (although he is usually too slow to do much good).

Scion of Darkness looks ridiculous. The casting cost is all too often going to be simply uncastable. Why not use a Lord of the Void for a repeatable version of the same effect, for cheaper, and with extra mill/ exile.

Grinding stone is also a bit slow. Mesmeric Orb is amazing mill tech for the whole table. Although it works better in conjunction with a reanimator package. Altar of the Brood is also a good substitute that mills without any extra mana input.

The altar I mentioned is sweet with Undead Alchemist, who turns your hard earned milling effort into a weapon. A groaning, shambling weapon.

Cut Dralnu because he is a huge liability. One Blasphemous act will annihilate you (pun intended). I would rather have a Guiltfeeder or a Sepulchral Primordial

These are just a few things that I enjoy about my Lazav deck, which is a lot of fun to play.

March 3, 2015 3:13 p.m.

ecmmyers says... #42

+1, and Happy Milling, btw!

Thought I'd remind you about Bloodchief Ascension , which also combos with Mindcrank as someone mentioned.

and Phyrexian Reclamation is good recursion. Also Extract from Darkness.

OK, I'm done now.. haha, thanks for reading and being a good sport with all these suggestions. I have experimented with several cards, and thought I'd suggest a few of the good ones that I didn't see mentioned here.

March 3, 2015 3:17 p.m.

triflame says... #43

i would suggest removing any damage from discard cause you honestly dont have enough discard effects to actualy make it function properly plus the chance of have one of your discard effect and megrim or lillian's caress at the same time is slim and non they will mostlikely be a dead card in your hand

May 20, 2015 11:45 p.m.

poopooQ says... #44

You get +1 upvote because ORIGIN \m/,

December 22, 2015 10:54 p.m.

sgd says... #45

You definitely want a Bloodchief Ascension. Also I understand what you're going for with Circu, Dimir Lobotomist but it's pretty redundant in your deck/not mill.

December 26, 2015 1:02 a.m.

poox523 says... #46

You should check out the decks made by Perfect_Phyrexia, they are insane.

March 8, 2016 11:41 p.m.

soulofsteel0 says... #47

Nice deck, I went a slightly different direction, care to give e insight? Deck Killer

May 7, 2016 9:58 a.m.

lefty117 says... #48

if you are going for deck destruction I would have to suggest that you remove Chancellor of the Spires Based on the fast you have to have him in your opening hand. an that's he only way to get his ability to trigger. his second ability I find kinda lack luster. you can get a similar affect with Snapcaster Mage and Yawgmoth's Will for roughly the same cmc.

now I would slot in Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger exiles the top 20 on attack putting your opponent on at most a 5 turn clock to get decked, exiles 2 problem permanents upon cast, and is harder to remove being indestructible.

Replace Dragon Arch with Quicksilver Amulet so your mono color creatures can be flashed in on end of turn

also Leyline of the Void might be helpful.

May 28, 2016 11:57 a.m.

KailDaemon says... #49

Check out my mill deck: Phenax EDH... mind find sime useful combos to help ya out. Example: Pili-Pala + Grand Architect + Phenax, God of Deception + Chrome Mox= mill everyone infinitely by early as turn 3. Play a Leyline of the Void to get around Eldrazi graveyard shuffling.

May 28, 2016 3:27 p.m.

GayGatsby says... #50

I would highly recommend a Tormod's Crypt because of cards like Kozilek and Ulamog. Not to mention how many decks interact with the graveyard, so it's always nice to have a failsafe when they try to do something stupid like casting Living Death. Another good "anti graveyard" card is Eater of the Dead. Also I'm a huge fan of that Telemin Performance. I've never seen that card and all of my friends run pillow fort decks so the onloy creatures they run are MASSIVE so that'll be helpful in my deck.

If you want any more suggestions check out General Mills

July 1, 2016 4:07 p.m.

KarnAgGolem says... #51

I will suggest Eater of the Dead + Phenax, God of Deception as a combo. not only that, but Phenax, God of Deception also becomes extrememely powerful with your creature base.

July 7, 2016 4:15 p.m.

Fleetwood-Mat says... #52

Hey, for some milling pieces, might I suggest: Altar of the Brood, Mesmeric Orb and Altar of Dementia (goes really well with Consuming Aberration)

September 29, 2016 12:07 p.m.

Fleetwood-Mat says... #53

BTW, I love the Bhagavad Gita line you incorporated into your deck name.

September 29, 2016 1:29 p.m.

Kiyomeii says... #54

seems quite slow ;)

October 31, 2016 8:30 a.m.

Faustislost says... #55

I didn't see anyone mention it, but Grave Betrayal doesn't trigger from milling because the creature didn't "die". You included it in your combos, so I just wanted to make sure you knew.

January 7, 2017 2:50 p.m.

kamelyan says... #56

I run Temple Bell in my UB Mill deck, and it works well with Notion Thief. Perhaps you could add Temple Bell to combo with Underworld Dreams, Mindcrank, and Duskmantle Guildmage -mill all opponents with a tap (and an activation, but whatever).

July 6, 2017 11:53 a.m.

MrTitanic says... #57


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