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Dragon Arch Discussion
1 day ago
No Fetches in the mana base?
So you said you're looking for cuts, here are some cards I particularly LIKE from your list (in no particular order):
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice, Coiling Oracle, Corpsejack Menace, Deathrite Shaman, Intet, the Dreamer, Maelstrom Archangel, Maelstrom Wanderer, Mercurial Chemister, Prime Speaker Zegana, Rashmi, Eternities Crafter, Thrasios, Triton Hero, Vorel of the Hull Clade, Weaver of Currents, Winding Constrictor, Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder, Yore-Tiller Nephilim
Maelstrom Nexus, Mirari's Wake, Pernicious Deed, Flesh / Blood, Hull Breach, Merciless Eviction, Slave of Bolas, Unexpected Results, Villainous Wealth, Abzan Charm, Jund Charm, Naya Charm, Sphinx's Revelation, Trap Essence, Chromatic Lantern, Door to Nothingness,Dragon Arch, Legacy Weapon, Lightning Greaves, Planar Bridge, Prismatic Geoscope, Sensei's Divining Top, Sol Ring, Thran Dynamo, Vedalken Orrery, Ajani, Mentor of Heroes, Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker, Sarkhan Unbroken
Other cards I really like that you might want to consider (20):
Chromanticore, Trace of Abundance, Kiora's Follower, Wargate, Derevi, Empyrial Tactician, Knotvine Mystic, Gilder Bairn, Kiora, Master of the Depths, Captain Sisay, Ral Zarek, Karametra, God of Harvests, Ghave, Guru of Spores, Crystallization, Cavern Harpy, Fleetfoot Panther, Ivorytusk Fortress, Reyhan, Last of the Abzan, Duneblast, Congregation at Dawn, Bring to Light
If you relax your gold and artifact only restriction you can get a couple more fun toys (4):
Cards I see on your list that I have seen others suggest, that I think are ok, but not necessarily as awesome as above:
Other cards I've seen others use, but I'm not quite as hot on (8):
2 days ago
This particular problem is solved by a turn 2 drop aswell as a turn 1 drop, it requires a critical mass of cards to provide a reliable start instead of an occasional lucky game.
I would keep the Sensei's Divining Top it is incredibly powerful with fetches and other shuffle effects.
Commander's Sphere is a 3 drop, the drop we are trying to move past.I would probably drop Chromatic Lantern aswell, unless you feel your manabase requires that card to work.Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh doesn't look particular powerful either, have I missed a synergy somewhere?
I think dropping Dragon Arch would be a good choice, it probably isn't as powerful in practice as it looks on paper, but you know that better than I! :)
I would cut Shaman of Forgotten Ways, cmc 3 mana dork.
The last card I can come up with is Kilnmouth Dragon but I haven't tested it in practice, use your own judgment!
2 days ago
Signets are good but they are mainly used for mana fixing more than ramping in cheap lists that don't run duals and fetches...and when you start top decking them mid to late game they are useless. Hang onto the Dragon Arch and Quicksilver Amulet (because casting dragons at instant speed is just too good) and score some real mana rocks e.g a Mox Diamond, Mana Crypt and Lion's Eye Diamond replacing Commander's Sphere the Top and the Nicol Bolas Planeswalker. Oh yeah, Scourge of Valkas has to be in the deck if you are running Sarkhan Unbroken - if you Ultimate with Sarkhan the amount of damage is insane thanks to the scourge and three red mana is easy to pull off with the Chromatic Lantern, fetches etc..
2 days ago
Great suggestion,a good signet package would really help the early game. And wheel would for sure be a good add, both for a hand restock and a few targets in the graveyard for reanimate spells. What would you take out for them? Maybe Dragon Arch, Quicksilver Amulet or Prismatic Geoscope
3 days ago
1 week ago
Ok smiffdemon, you sold me on the Fist of Suns. Though just fyi, if i am casting him from the command zone for the second time or more, i'll still have to pay the Commander tax, though it'll take three casts to exceed his original cost, so that ain't bad either. I know about the tax because i play an Ezuri, Renegade Leader EDH deck, and Aluren is one of my favorite cards in it. :) I gotta pick up a Dragon Arch, it just oozes flavor and function.
THanks again so much. This website and people like you have helped me grow so much as a magic player, especially in such a card rich format like EDH.
1 week ago
Nice budget build! I'll try to stay away from really expensive upgrades.
Stormbreath Dragon is only a few dollars and can wreck those high draw spell control decks that you see at commander tables when it turns monstrous. I also like Moltensteel Dragon because you can power it up without any mana investment. Kilnmouth Dragon is a beast especially with double strike. Dragon Mage is awesome hand disruption for you opponents and a wheel effect for you when you dont have the right cards in hand. Knollspine Dragon fills a similar role, allowing you to often draw a massive amount of cards with the damage you're gonna be shelling out. Always good in Gruul colors. Speaking of, I'd definitely pick up a Harmonize and throw it in there. That card is reliable in any deck with green.
Ramp super hard and you can probably even consider Dragonstorm. Alternatively, if you find yourself struggling to get enough mana to play multiple spells Quicksilver Amulet, Belbe's Portal, and Dragon Arch are winners.
1 week ago
No problem! I used to play a 5 color dragon EDH deck myself but have long since retired it. I can't believe how hard it is to find some of these cards now that the new 2017 deck is out though - the dragonlords and other popular dragon tribal cards have doubled or even tripled in price in some cases. I'm hoping once demand dies down they'll lower again cause I could use a few extra dragonlords myself for other decks!
I can see your concern about Fist of Suns, though, I would say that using it to cast your commander for 5cmc over and over again is a pretty good reason to include it. Otherwise you're looking at 10CMC, which is going to be very hard to get out once let alone twice without devoting all your resources on a turn to just summoning The Ur-Dragon. That being said, at least has a good effect in the command zone for you. Alternatively you could try to get your hands on a Command Beacon to put your big flashy commander into your hand and then throw him down with Dragon Arch or Quicksilver Amulet... both of which are just kind of awesome to have when dealing with high costed dragons anyway.