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Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
-2: Draw a card for each tapped creature target player controls.
-8: You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size" and "Whenever a card is put into your graveyard from anywhere, you may return it to your hand."
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Tamiyo, the Moon Sage Discussion
4 days ago
If you want more stories, I shall grant them to you.
After all, it's my new favorite EDH deck, so I've played it a few times and I can recall my last game quite well.
I was playing against three opponents, the same people as before, but with different decks this time. One was Arcanis the Omnipotent, one was Riku of Two Reflections and one was Omnath, Locus of Mana. I was prepared for the hate that would come towards me, especially from the mono blue deck - I automatically assume a ton of counterspells from those.
My starting hand was pretty decent - I didn't have many lands, but I had Sol Ring, so I felt okay. Arcanis had a pretty amazing ramp engine - he played Mana Crypt, Mana Vault and Everflowing Chalice with three counters on his turn 2, which made everyone worried. I played a Propaganda early, but my opponents' decks weren't exactly creature decks, so nobody really attacked anyone. Except for Omnath later on. Arcanis cast Day's Undoing pretty early, which I could counter with Insidious Will, but I decided not to - I was pretty stuck on lands.
The stuff I drew was pretty good, but in the meantime, Omnath became a threat as well. His commander was rapidly growing and he started bashing Arcanis. In fact, his Omnath grew so big it could probably kill Arcanis with the next attack. I cast Fervor, preparing for the Narset turn. I also drew Strionic Resonator thanks to Day's Undoing, so it was looking pretty great for me.
However, Omnath became extremely threatening all of a sudden. He killed Arcanis with a 13/13 Omnath. Arcanis flashed in Snapcaster Mage to chumpblock, but Omnath cast Berserk from Mosswort Bridge's Hideaway. Then he used all of his gathered mana in the postcombat main phase, ramping up even more, playing Brittle Effigy and Yeva, Nature's Herald, among a few other things.
Now that Arcanis was out of the game, I could safely cast Narset, since Riku was tapped out. I attacked Riku and the trigger revealed Command Tower, Walk the Aeons, Spectra Ward and Conqueror's Flail. Brilliant.
My bonus turn begins. I cast Steel of the Godhead on Narset, then I equip her with Conqueror's Flail. With Boros Charm in my hand, I am able to give her double strike and finish Riku off. The trigger reveals Chandra, the Firebrand, Izzet Signet, Ashling's Prerogative and Sunder. Knowing that Omnath is a land-based deck, I don't hesitate to cast Sunder. On Omnath's turn, nothing happens because he has no mana, so he plays a Forest and passes the turn.
On my turn, I copy Narset's trigger with Strionic Resonator, revealing eight spells. One of them is Omniscience, which allows me to cast my huge hand for free. I play Temporal Trespass, Tamiyo, the Moon Sage, Elspeth, Knight-Errant and many other things. On my bonus turn, I buff Narset with Elspeth and swing for victory.
Once again, just one attack caused a hugely explosive turn. Omnath decided not to attack me because of my Propaganda, and instead aimed for Arcanis - because he had a ton of mana. In fact, he later told us that if he could have had another turn, he would've won the game on that turn, so Omnath prevented that. Which allowed me to take the win instead. Nonetheless, it was a fun game, at least for me. :)
I love this deck so much.
1 week ago
Here's his list. My hyperlinks are kinda broken sorry.
1 week ago
Counterspell? Blasphemous Act? Preordain? Mystical Tutor, Melek, Izzet Paragon? Venser, Shaper Savant, the guy that walked around in the desert being stupid (read planar chaos!!)? Dack's Duplicate? Anger of the Gods? Turn / Burn? Sensei's Divining Top (go sensei ryu!! and read time spiral)? Paradox Engine? Fevered Visions? Blood Moon (make sure this doesnt kill you)? Chandra, Torch of Defiance? Jace, Unraveler of Secrets? Tamiyo, the Moon Sage? Windfall? Jace's Archivist?
2 weeks ago
Things to Drop
Potentially getting to the point of too many sweepers, but I think its ok.
Mind Unbound - Consider the fact that it isnt a may ability
Dovin Baan - Really not that great
Things to Consider
Sol Ring!!!!, Enlightened Tutor, Mystical Tutor, Sun Titan, Blind Obedience - Technically just a white color identity, Tamiyo, the Moon Sage, Luminarch Ascension, Land Tax, Frozen AEther, Chromatic Lantern, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, Cryptic Command, Capsize!!!, Forbid, MindStone, Commander's Sphere, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, AEtherize, Mystic Confluence, Quarantine Field, Austere Command, Entreat the Angels, Mystic Remora, Thassa, God of the Sea, Jace, Architect of Thought, Venser, Shaper Savant
2 weeks ago
Also I know you said you would consider cutting Tamiyo, Field Researcher. I wan't to let you know she combos with the Tamiyo, the Moon Sage. If you have both ultimate emblems then any card you have in hand you can cast an infinite amount of times. So lets say you have both tamiyo emblems and Vindicate in hand. You can destroy everyone's entire board.
2 weeks ago
Your list is cool and I can see has already made many improvements since the last time I saw it, here is some constructive feedback you may want to consider. For the most part I avoided recommending creatures because it appears you are going for a very limited creatures sub theme.
Planeswalkers you should consider cutting:
Ajani Unyielding (minus ability seems good, but it's really win more because you have very few creatures. This means it's only good if you already have a lot of planeswalkers on the battlefield. Plus ability isn't good because you have very few creatures and Atraxa already has lifelink and vigillance. I also don't like that it's a 4 drop because it shares the same CMC as Atraxa and you are more likely to want to play them on the same turn.)
Jace Beleren (Decent, but there are better card advantage engines. Double blue is also strict for a budget mana base, but this card is very good if you only minus and Atraxa is out).
Tamiyo, Field Researcher (plus ability is decent at discouraging attackers, but it is difficult to guarntee card advantage because you have so few creatures. I also don't like that it's a 4 drop because it shares the same CMC as Atraxa and you are more likely to want to play them on the same turn.)
Sorin, Solemn Visitor (plus ability hardly does anything because you have so few creatures and Atraxa already has lifelink. Minus ability isn't really worth the mana. I also don't like that it's a 4 drop because it shares the same CMC as Atraxa and you are more likely to want to play them on the same turn.)
Planeswalkers you are not running currently but should consider including:
Kiora, Master of the Depths (plus ability is ramp/mana fixing and has good synergy with mana dorks, minus ability is card advantage).
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage (very powerful plus ability, and with proliferation, she can ultimate quickly which is very powerful. Her minus ability can also generate a lot of cards against some match ups).
Karn Liberated (unconditional removal that you can repeat is a no brainer).
Your removal suite is good but the spells have too high of a converted mana cost on average. Higher converted mana cost is ok for spot removal, but if this is the case, the cards should be very verstaile (i.e. Sultai Charm)
Nonbudget Options:Abrupt Decay
Budget Options:Painful Truths
Glint-Sleeve Siphoner (I know you aren't trying to run a lot of creatures, but it's a solid option)
Non budget options:Phyrexian Arena
I recommend you review my list to get an idea of what a 4 color optimized mana base can look like, but there will be some slight differences because you are running superfriends. From your list recommend you consider to cut Gavony Township because it doesn't produced color mana and you don't run a ton of cretaures anyway (although you have some tokens from your planeswalkers).
Temple of the False God also doesn't make colored mana, and doesn't do anything early game. Ancient Tomb is much better, but I'm not even running that one. If you were to run a colorless land, I would recommend Ghost Quarter or Wasteland.
I understand that you can proliferate Dreadship Reef but I don't think it's good because you have to pay mana to add counters to it, this makes it slow. Mirrodin's Core seems much better. Gemstone Mine you should be running for sure.
Feel free to check out my Atraxa list. It's different than your list because it is control and isn't superfriends, but I would imagine we both can learn from each other's lists and I'd love to hear any feedback you have.
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
@Dhominus I was actually thinking more on the lines of "what could a mono blue walker do if it wasn't Jace" kinda of thing.
As in how the first iteration of Tamiyo, Tamiyo, the Moon Sage, was built around lunar magic that was more telekinetic than telepathic. Restricting movement and action, but not their thoughts.
Tezzeret the Seeker to me also fell into a new archetype for mono blue which was less about being a master wizard as a master of engineering and machines. Manipulating metal and forming it into whatever shape the user needs similar to how a green or red mage might do with natural earth.
What I'm proposing as a discussion then is what other categories could a new walker fill that is mono blue? Simic colors take blue's need to explore ideas and marries it to green's need to constantly grow and expand, so Kiora is fine being U/G.
Saheeli maybe could be a mono blue walker, but being red helps partly to distinguish her from Tezzeret, and also to support her own aggressive nature that would be uncommon for mono blue magic user (she does like to duel with giant robots if you'll remember).
Honestly this is all getting off track, but my point is that I figure wizards is afraid of emptying whatever may be left of their well of ideas in regards to blue magic. Shapeshifter magic for instance is an area that no planeswalker to my knowledge has utilized, thus you could make an arguement for a new mono blue walker that can shapeshift into any creature as an ability, or alter another creature instead. Like having a Changeling walker basically.
So, anyone else know how we could replace Jace? Or else maybe help flesh out this would-be replacement? I'd especially like to here what berryjon thinks of this.