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Rules Q&A
Liesa, Shroud of Dusk
Legendary Creature — Angel
Rather than pay for each previous time you've cast this spell from the command zone this game, pay 2 life that many times.
Flying, lifelink
Whenever a player casts a spell, they lose 2 life.

















DemonDragonJ on Greed or Lunar Convocation?
2 months ago
I have a copy of Greed in my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk EDH deck, but I am considering replacing it with Lunar Convocation, because that card has additional abilities; yes, the additional mana for the card-drawing ability will add up over time, but the other two abilities are very useful for that deck, so I do believe that the card would be a very nice addition to it.
What does everyone else say, about this? Should I keep Greed in my Liesa deck, or replace it with Lunar Convocation? I certainly am eager to hear your responses, on this subject.
DemonDragonJ on Advice for a Green/White EDH …
4 months ago
I am planning to build a green/white EDH deck, with Sigarda, Host of Herons as the general, so I would like to ask for advice on constructing it.
Most decks that have the original Sigarda as the general tend to be either "Voltron" decks (i.e., making the general as powerful as possible) or "enchantress" decks (i.e., focusing on enchantments), so I would like to make my deck slightly different from the typical Sigarda deck; specifically, I plan for the deck to have three major themes: a focus on gaining life, but not quite to the extent of my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk deck; a focus on generating creature tokens, but not to the extent of my Ghired, Conclave Exile deck; and a focus on putting +1/+1 counters on creatures, but not to the extent of my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck; in other words, it shall be a "jack of all trades" deck, but with plenty of synergy and overlap between those themes. Sigarda does not directly contribute to any of those themes, but I chose her as the general, because she is very difficult to remove, once she is on the battlefield, and I feel that this type of creative and unusual deckbuilding is good and should be encouraged.
First, for gaining life, I am considering cards that make it easy to do so, such as True Conviction, Dazzling Angel, Archangel of Thune, Trostani, Selesnya's Voice, Sunscorch Regent, Oracle of Nectars, and Lathiel, the Bounteous Dawn, as well as cards that offer payoffs/rewards for gaining life, such as (again) Archangel of Thune, Lathiel, Trelesarra, moon dancer, Blossoming Bogbeast or Trudge Garden.
Second, for generating creature tokens, I am considering Vernal Sovereign, Aura Mutation, Trudge Garden (again), Selesnya Guildmage (possibly), or Scepter of Celebration, and, for cards that reward me for generating tokens, I am considering Juniper Order Ranger, Cathars' Crusade, Dazzling Angel, and Trostani, Selesnya's Voice.
Third, for placing +1/+1 counters on creatures, I am considering Shalai, Voice of Plenty, Archangel of Thune, Juniper Order Ranger, Cathars' Crusade, Sunscorch Regent, Forgotten Ancient (possibly), and (possibly) Vigor, and, for cards that allow me to use those counters as payment for other effects, I am considering Fertilid, Mindless Automaton, (possibly) Ooze Flux.
Notice how many of those cards have synergy and overlap, allowing me to pursue three themes in a single deck, and I also plan to have a number of generically good cards that I use in many of my decks, such as True Conviction, Mirari's Wake, Seedborn Muse, or Sigarda, Font of Blessings, as well as several cards that I have not used in any of my previous decks, thus far, such as Hydra Broodmaster, Pledge of Loyalty, Camaraderie, Commander's Plate, Behemoth Sledge, Shield of the Oversoul, or Veteran Beastrider. I also am considering putting either Valkyrie Harbinger or Kalonian Hydra into this deck, but I do not wish for this deck to be too similar to any of my other decks, so I would prefer to avoid putting those cards into this deck, if I can avoid doing so, and I also am not yet certain about Doubling Season, staff of completion, or Selvala, Explorer Returned, since those cards would be awesome in this deck, but I do not wish to use them in every deck in which they would be a good addition.
What does everyone else say about this? Do you think that this is an interesting idea, and what suggestions can you make, for me? Thank you, very much, and I certainly am awaiting everyone’s responses!
DemonDragonJ on Does Vault of the Archangel …
4 months ago
I have copies of Vault of the Archangel in several of my EDH decks, and that cards makes sense in my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk deck, but I am less certain if it works with the themes of my Sen Triplets or Tariel, Reckoner of Souls decks.
What does everyone else say, about this subject? Does Vault of the Archangel make sense in my Sen Triplets or Tariel decks, or should I replace it?
DemonDragonJ on Should I Keep Greed in …
7 months ago
I have a copy of Greed in my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk EDH deck, because that enchantment is such an amazing resource in that deck, but I am contemplating replacing that card with one of two other cards, so I would like to ask everyone else here, for advice, on this matter.
The first card that I am considering as a replacement for Greed is Erebos, God of the Dead, since he has the exact same mana cost as Greed, as well as being indestructible, preventing my opponents from gaining life, and potentially being a 5/7 creature, but my only concern is that his activated ability costs 1 more mana than does that of Greed, and that additional cost shall add up, over the course of a game.
The second card that I am considering is Lunar Convocation, because that card is less expensive than is Greed, yet has several amazing abilities, but, again, its primary ability costs 1 more mana than does that of Greed, so I am not certain if I can justify replacing the existing enchantment.
What does everyone else say about this? Should I keep Greed in my Liesa deck, or should I replace it with one of the other two cards? Is it worth paying 1 additional mana to draw a card in exchange for the additional abilities? I certainly would appreciate any feedback that anyone here may have to offer.
DemonDragonJ on How Can I Put Bloodthirsty …
7 months ago
WotC shall finally be printing a creature version of Exquisite Blood in foundations, in the form of bloodthirsty conqueror, and I obviously shall be putting that card into my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk deck, but I am not certain what card it should replace, so I wish to ask for advice from the other users here, about that matter.
It would be nice to have redundancy with Exquisite Blood, so I could replace Defiant Bloodlord with the conqueror, as I would still have plenty of cards that replicate the effect of Sanguine Bond, and doing that would also lower the mana curve of that deck, but, on the other hand, the bloodlord is a very nice flying beater, which I can also give lifelink, and Exquisite Blood costs 5 mana to cast, but does nothing on its own, so I also would have no difficulty in replacing it with its creature counterpart, as well, so it is a difficult decision, for me.
What does everyone else say about this subject? How can I put bloodthirsty conqueror into my Liesa deck?
Also, as a side note, why is it that bloodthirsty conqueror has the same mana value as Exquisite Blood, while Defiant Bloodlord is more expensive than is Sanguine Bond?
DemonDragonJ on Is Staff of Completion a …
11 months ago
What does everyone here think about Archivist? Four mana for a 1/1 creature with no protection is rather risky, but it requires no additional investment of mana, can be used as an instant, and can be used repeatedly, and benefits only its controller.
wallisface, what criteria should I use to search for those cards on Scryfall?
RiotRunner789, several of my decks could actually use Staff of Compleation, such as my Jenara, Asura of War EDH deck, my Marath, Will of the Wild *f-etch* EDH deck, and my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk EDH deck, all of which have sufficient amounts of lifegain to be able to pay the costs of the abilities of the staff and all of which could actually benefit from the proliferate ability. Unfortunately, my Liesa deck is the only deck of mine that can gain life reliably enough to justify the inclusion of Well of Lost Dreams, and I definitely like Idol of Oblivion, but the only deck of mine in which that card would be reliable is my Ghired, Conclave Exile EDH deck, and I am not certain what card I would remove from that deck, to make room for the idol.
DarkKiridon, I am almost afraid to ask, but why do you dislike Otherworld Atlas?
CommanderMeanderer on
A Taste of the Divine
1 year ago
Love the deck!
Did you mean to add Liesa, Forgotten Archangel over Liesa, Shroud of Dusk? Seems more synergistic when you don't have your commander out and you can sacrifice her if he is out.
I'd also suggest considering Skeletal Scrying over Necrologia. It can still be used to fill your graveyard at your end step if you want, but I find it to be more flexible for times when you want to actually draw cards/leave mana up and draw right before your turn.
DemonDragonJ on Should I Put Doom Whisperer …
2 years ago
I am considering putting Doom Whisperer into my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk EDH deck, because of its obvious synergy with that deck, but I would like to ask for advice, first.
The demon would be an easy replacement for Crystal Ball, because, while it does have a higher casting cost, its ability costs no mana, only life, which this deck excels at gaining. If the demon had the scry mechanic, rather than surveil, I would already have had it in that deck, but, since that is not the case, I need to be more cautious.
Does my Liesa deck have a sufficient amount of graveyard recursion to justify putting Doom Whisperer into it? What does everyone else say about this subject?
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