Liesa, Shroud of Dusk
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Liesa, Shroud of Dusk

Legendary Creature — Angel

Rather than pay for each previous time you've cast this spell from the command zone this game, pay 2 life that many times.

Flying, lifelink

Whenever a player casts a spell, they lose 2 life.

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DemonDragonJ on Should I Put Doom Whisperer …

1 year ago

I am considering putting Doom Whisperer into my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk EDH deck, because of its obvious synergy with that deck, but I would like to ask for advice, first.

The demon would be an easy replacement for Crystal Ball, because, while it does have a higher casting cost, its ability costs no mana, only life, which this deck excels at gaining. If the demon had the scry mechanic, rather than surveil, I would already have had it in that deck, but, since that is not the case, I need to be more cautious.

Does my Liesa deck have a sufficient amount of graveyard recursion to justify putting Doom Whisperer into it? What does everyone else say about this subject?

Gleeock on Eminence: Do you like it …

1 year ago

plakjekaas Yuck, I forgot about Derevi. If you are including tax-evading commanders in the eminence conversation, then what do you think of Liesa, Shroud of Dusk? I've played against a few Liesa decks & I really like her, but she does evade taxes, do you think it is tax evasion done right? or is there NO "tax evasion done right"?

It does irritate me that tax evasion does become this sortof card-advantage deal, where if you are playing a good grindy resource strapped game a player will just choose to cast that commander over & over to just hold up more resources in hand than they should have had.

thefiresoflurve on Teysa, Orzhov Scion

1 year ago

Hey there!

Any current issues you're looking to specifically fix?

If you can spare the lifegain, Martial Coup as a replacement to White Sun's Twilight might synergize better with your commander since the created creatures are white.

Darkest Hour combines with your commander and any sacrifice outlet to make infinite ETB/die effects, if you're interested in that (although I see you don't have a lot of sac outlets).

With your CMC being so low, I might consider cutting Liesa, Shroud of Dusk, since you're likely to be casting a lot.

thefiresoflurve on Black white Liesa, forgotten archangel

1 year ago

Hey, there!

Skyline Savior and Gate to the Citadel are Alchemy cards, and not legal in EDH, if you play with people who care.

As far as commanders go, Liesa, Shroud of Dusk would probably get you a lot of mileage, since demons and angels tend to be higher mana cost spells, meaning you're paying that 2 life fewer times than your opponents. Demons also have a lot of good ways to kill your own creatures in case you need to turn the effect off.

Tymna the Weaver might also be a decent commander since you'll have a lot of flying creatures and lifelink to sustain the card draw.

Hope that helps!

zAzen7977 on KAALIA'S CATACLYSM - Aggro/Stax [cEDH Primer]

1 year ago

Damn XinZhao, how have I missed Blast-Furnace Hellkite?! Excellent suggestion! I’m definitely swapping Chancellor of the Annex for it. You’re right, Chancellor can be overcome easier than Liesa, Shroud of Dusk. Liesa is especially painful against decks depending on life consumption like K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth.

BF Hellkite joins the category of “damage doublers” like Archfiend of Despair and Gisela, Blade of Goldnight. Plus it encourages other players to attack each other.

XinZhao on KAALIA'S CATACLYSM - Aggro/Stax [cEDH Primer]

1 year ago

zAzen7977 I've been looking for good replacements for Chancellor of the Annex and Liesa, Shroud of Dusk I found one I think would be a super good addition, Blast-Furnace Hellkite has a pretty crazy effect that really adds pressure to the board and really turns your threats into outright unadulterated violence. I think Chancellor of the Annex is the choice here her effect is nice but I think most storm combos would be able to pay the extra mana as opposed to Liesa's effect which could just outright kill someone trying to combo off as well as whittle away opponents making it easier to close out a game.

zAzen7977 on KAALIA'S CATACLYSM - Aggro/Stax [cEDH Primer]

1 year ago

Great points XinZhao, I agree that the board state required to set up Bloodthirster is too complex to be consistent, I’d rather run something else.

Thanks for the suggestion Last_Laugh, I hadn’t seen Spirit Mantle before. I wouldn’t run it in this build, but it could be really handy in a more aggro-heavy deck.

I’m experimenting with the current decklist. As compared to the old list, I’m running more creature-based ramp (Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer, Dockside Extortionist, Professional Face-Breaker, Ancient Copper Dragon), more anti-storm stax (Chancellor of the Annex, Liesa, Shroud of Dusk), and every Rule of Law effect (making it easier to stick the RoL + Possibility Storm combo). I swapped Council's Judgment for Angel of the Ruins, and dropped Damn and Teferi's Protection for a couple extra lands to ensure consistent mana access. I’m going to test this version for a while and see how it goes.

Gleeock on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?

1 year ago

Punisher's with upside is not much for power creep, Cindervines is not exactly a powerhouse. Descent into Avernus is not too contentious. Liesa, Shroud of Dusk isn't overpowering the format. A little creativity on our groupslug/punishers is all I'm asking for. If you are looking for a "fair" way to punish storm-outs & solitaire play - tacking small advantage onto those "policing chip dmg" is a relatively lightly explored avenue. Roiling Vortex was a good attempt, except the "benefit" doesn't really put the caster ahead any & it still sits there until it eats removal on the player that it affects most. If a whole plethora of removal pieces can cantrip, I would think a few punishers could, at the very least, cantrip or have a more spicy benefit.

Stax with upside (as being disputed here) is much more contentious than cards that still allow options, just make you bleed a little for that decision.

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