Creature — Beast
When Obstinate Baloth enters the battlefield, you gain 4 life.
If a spell or ability an opponent controls causes you to discard Obstinate Baloth, put it onto the battlefield instead of putting it into your graveyard.
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|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Rare|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Obstinate Baloth Discussion
2 months ago
Loxodon Hierarch is a decent elephant. Ivorytusk Fortress is actual junk colors, but you would probably need to build around it more (works really well with Venerated Loxodon though). Loxodon Gatekeeper is a good hate card. Loxodon Smiter can be your version of Obstinate Baloth in the sideboard.
5 months ago
5 months ago
5 months ago
Hey I play tons of Ponza and have done for years. I play mostly on MTGO so you local meta might be different if you play at a store, but here is my take on the cards. I think I wrote a smaller book of a comment sorry about that.
first off Inferno Titan!, turn 2 moss into turn 3 titan is the most powerful thing ponza can do. Remember he can be pumped with his ability and often swing for 12 or more damage (when targeting face with the ability) plus he shoots stuff down planeswalkers and creatures alike both when he is played, but also when he attacks. The absolute best finisher for the deck.
I love Bonfire of the Damned and have played with everything from 1 to 4 copies in my main board, the one sided board clear feels so good, but I have come to realise it is just too conditional. It is too reliant on the miracle, i kept telling myself it wasn't but it really is, 7 mana for 3 damage is not worth it, you are already dead to aggro and if you have enough mana to shoot someone down with a big spike you should have already have won. Anger of the Gods in the sideboard are just better wipeing you own dudes does not really matter if the opponent just loses to a wipe and the exile of creatures is so important vs graveyard stuff.
You play Boom / Bust which i have experimented with as well, you say it cost less than Pillage, this is not true as you need 2 mana and a untapped fetch in order to play it, so that is 3 mana, plus you need a fetch to play it that is super conditional even with 8 fetches. And depending on Bust part to win the game is not something you should never wish to happen.
Artifacts, one thing Ponza loses to is Aether Vial, all the land disruption does nothing against it. So in order not to lose to that i suggest to main board Pillage or Abrade they are so good with the flexibility doing what the deck is already trying to do and able to remove artifacts when needed is super useful. Other cards they help against is Cranial Plating in affinity, Oblivion Stone the only answer tron really has and Arcum's Astrolabe which bypasses all moon activity and of course all the stupid artifact creatures that randomly appear like Walking Ballista and Myr Superion.
I know you play Primal Command for all the artifacts and such nonsense, I have played it myself in the past, but for 5 mana it is really slow and to that it is also quite conditional on its effectiveness some games it can just outright win it like mill or somthing, but more often you will lose with it in hand and it is the worst. searching for a big guy to finish with is not much good either as you would much rather play the big guy insteal of the command and i have so often lost with the searched up guy in hand as the opponent will know to kill off your mana dorks or keep a counter in hand because you revealed your plan.
your Eternal Witness Stampeding Serow combo is cute, but playing cards that are not just good on their own are a big mistake, blue deck might get away with it, but green really relies upoun mana effectiveness. I see how you can use witness's with other cards in your deck and be able to slowly grind value out, but in reality something like Tireless Tracker would be much better as it just gives value by existing and can end the game.
Okay how to win vs the bad matcups like burn, storm and control. It is so hard to win vs storm, you already use Scavenging Ooze, but other cards i use on and off is Cindervines, Weather the Storm and Damping Sphere.
to win against burn the most effective strategy I have used is the Madcap Experiment and Platinum Emperion combo. otherwise Obstinate Baloth and Kitchen Finks works, the baloth having added bonus of being really good against Burning Inquiry and Liliana of the Veil.
lastly control, i absolutely hate control. oh well here the best thing is getting a Blood Moon out turn 2 it is so important that running stuff like Magus of the Moon is very much worth it. otherwise there is of course Thrun, the Last Troll and Choke.
Hope i helped you out in some way and not just made you angry or something.
6 months ago
There have always been a small number of Ponza players who loved the card, especially as sideboard tech vs. Control and Burn. Personally though, even though I'm a HUGE werewolf fan and playtested it extensively in the deck, I was just never impressed. It just always seemed there were better things to do with four mana in those colors (e.g., Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Bloodbraid Elf, Questing Beast, Obstinate Baloth, Chameleon Colossus, or even Pia and Kiran Nalaar).
All that said though, Ponza is a GREAT deck for running pet cards, so don't hesitate to give it a try. You may find it's just perfect for your meta, playstyle, and the rest of your 75!
8 months ago
Obliterator is great when Path to Exile usage is low to non-existent and counterspells are few and far between.
Thus the card is far from its greatest in today's meta.
(However - contrary to the common misconception - getting to BBBB is easy if you manage to have 4 lands by turn 4, twhen you play a 2 colored eck)
I recommended Shriekmaw as it does something early game, and its absolutely broken with all the "return creature from graveyard to hand" spells in your deck, cards like Liliana, the Last Hope.
Sure, its far less flashy than something than Verdurous Gearhulk, and wins slower - however it keeps the field clear, and gives you time to win.
While you can VERY easily die with a gearhulk in hand before you could ever use it.
Obstinate Baloth is a great hate card against discard decks, for any deck that plays combo, and a "passable" card in the burn matchup.
Sadly hardcasting it is asking a lot.
In the sense that it does too little for its cost, UNLESS you want to simply stall a little to win with something like a lethal scapeshift.
In the era where Gurmag Angler, Thing in the Ice Flip & Bedlam Reveler are running around the card is surprisingly squishy, to win the game.
And does too little at helping you achieve that goal, beside being a body.
Unless you run something like elves, i owuld stay away from God-Eternal Rhonas. Its a great improvement there as a recurrable pump effect in face of all the counterspells and discard.
However in this deck, its only good when you are already winning anyways, and does little to nothing in any other case.
8 months ago
Obstinate Baloth is a sideboard card against discard decks. Gearhulk I would avoid. Obliterator is strong but requires a deck to be heavily built around him so i’d avoid.
My suggestion would be to worry less about the heavy hitters and go more for those value-gains. If you’re going down the Winding Constrictor and/or Hardened Scales route (which seems strong), then you probably just want lots of lower-costing creatures that can become monsters in their own right.
Scavenging Ooze nets you a big creature, life, and grave disruption
Tireless Tracker gives you cards while he gets swole (you’ll want loads of fetches though)
As Xica has already mentioned, your point-of-difference over hardened scales decks is your colouration in black - where you want to be running hand disruption and killspells. Outside of that, you should be looking for fast, efficient killers that can thrive in such a resource-deprived boardstate. Don’t try investing in high-cmc cards to do this if you can avoid it.
8 months ago
Xica Yes, Stonecoil sucks. I wanted to try it for the flexibility, but it has no actual impact on the board or game whatsoever. Guess I needed to find it out the hard way lol.
That's probably a dumb question, but would you go for two Shriekmaws (instead of Hydra and Serpent)? My intention with the hydra was to have something to put my opponent on the clock. Though this may be "too easy" of a strat. Shriekmaw is obviously way more versatile. I gotta check out if the deck contains enough power for the killing blow.
Also what would be your opinion on something like Obstinate Baloth or a Verdurous Gearhulk? Gearhulk feels a bit insignificant but synergizes well with the rest of the deck. Baloth's lifegain is nice to have, but the discard effect might give it the edge it needs...