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When Molten Primordial enters the battlefield, for each opponent, take control of up to one target creature that player controls until end of turn. Untap those creatures. They have haste until end of turn.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Molten Primordial Discussion
1 month ago
The other day, I was watching a 'Cards We Like to Play Against' podcast for EDH. I was very surprised to see that one of the mechanics they mentioned was when opponents played effects that stole/borrowed/or used their own cards. While they admitted that Mind Control-type effects were not always feel-good, they loved Rise of the Dark Realms because they took pride in seeing their cards wreck the table.
While I only play casually, I've been playing Magic for a decade now. Since the beginning, hands-down the most tilting effect for me is when my opponent's use my cards. Needless to say, this podcast made no sense to me. MLD, stax, 100 Counterspells - annoying but it holds nothing to the frustration I feel towards someone stealing my creature with Simic Manipulator. As I was processing this, I thought about how I have similar reactions to cards like Oblivion Ring or even Molten Primordial. Logically, it doesn't make sense: MLD should be way more frustrating than having a single random permanent briefly moved across the table.
After awhile, I realized it's because I have OCD. I have a very hard time with people touching certain (seemingly random) objects in my house. For many things, I have to do very certain procedures before I can touch them (like wash my hands a certain number of times, etc). It seems so obvious now but my cards were just another addition to this list.
My small playgroup is awesome and, when I told them about this, they offered to modify the way these effects work. Their cards all work as intended but instead of my friends grabbing/touching/and bringing my card over to their side, my physical cards still stays on my mat. And it worked! Suddenly, I no longer cared that a card got stolen because I could still control the actual piece of cardboard in real life. It's such a simple change and one that has brought me a lot of relief!
I still have pretty significant limitations; I cannot realistically play at my LGS, though I've tried and really want to! Despite that, this still feels like a big victory for me :)
How about you? Have your disabilities, disorders, and/or neurodivergence impacted your ability to play MTG? Have you found a way to integrate your specific needs into the game in an awesome way?
3 months ago
I quite like the idea of stealing stuff with Molten Primordial and sacrificing them to Tooth and Claw . But it is kinda unfortunate that the stolen creatures can't attack (when copying the Primordial with Delina). Goblin Bombardment and Spawning Pit might be a good inclusion if you wanna lean more into that.
6 months ago
Have you consider Sengir Autocrat ? Or the instant Secure the Wastes ? What do you think about Goblin Assault , Dreadhorde Invasion or Assemble the Legion ? What about threat effect like Mass Mutiny , Molten Primordial or Mob Rule ? Other token generetion like Field of Souls or Ogre Slumlord ? Have you consider Fury Storm ? If you don't have price budget, what about Bitterblossom or Preacher ?
7 months ago
Do they enter the battlefield simultaneously or in the order that they were revealed?
9 months ago
Mulldrifter and any of the other evoke creatures you like are easy to copy and useful to have more than one of.
Diluvian Primordial and Molten Primordial on the other end are also silly. I have to agree that unless you’re doubling your mana somehow as your primary game plan, cheap creatures will probably be the easier route. You also have to get Riku out and keep him alive.
11 months ago
Obeka looks awesome to brew, but Zealous Conscripts unfortunately doesn't work here, "at the beginning of the end step" and "until end of turn" are different, there's no delayed triggered ability you can respond to with "until end of turn", they just get their things back at end of turn as a state based action, there's no trigger Obeka can exile. I thought the conscripts and Molten Primordial would be really good but you can't abuse the theft, at least with just Obeka's ability.
Something you might want to look at is Myriad. With stuff like Broodbirth Viper or Warchief Giant, it makes copies of itself which also have Myriad. If you exile the "Exile the tokens at end of combat" trigger with Obeka, all the copies you keep also have Myriad, and will make their own myriad clones when they attack again! Don't forget Blade of Selves is also bonkers and if it's in your budget, would work great along with any of the nasty ETB's effects you want to be abusing.
11 months ago
You're totally right, Threaten Effects don't work! I skimmed through the card and I didn't read the reminder text. I knew that the End Step didn't happen, I forgot that Cleanup happened no matter what :/ And such, Molten Primordial and similar effects don't work!
However, I still am very grateful for your comment! I like realizing it this now before actually putting the deck together. Also, another good thing is that effects that last until "the next end step" do work, and so, some of my favorite cards in this deck, namely Twinflame and Voidwalk still work. Also, restrictions breed creativity, and thanks to this I just discovered cards such as Dance of the Dead and rediscovered cards like Blizzard Strix and Slave of Bolas. I'll have to rethink the deck a little bit, and yes, it's a bit of a bummer that Insurrection doesn't work, but also a relief! It's not as broken as I thought, and so it's more interesting! The deck still looks amazing to me!
Thanks a lot for your comment! It's been sincerely helpful! :D
11 months ago
You seem very excited about this deck, and I love that! I don't mean to dampen your spirits, but cards that say "until end of turn" do not put a trigger on the stack, and as such do not work with Obeka. Molten Primordial is an example of this. A good way to think of this is the turn will end if you use Obeka or not. Primordial does not put a trigger on the stack to return the creatures because the effect simply wears off as the turn ends.