Looking for tough cards. Simply frightening or game-changning cards.
Modern forum
Posted on Aug. 17, 2014, 8:49 p.m. by nickiru
I am looking for cards that simply hold their own, self efficient in some manner, hard to kill, efficient,....
basically frightening.
Like Phyrexian Obliterator . He hits the field and it's like "ahh crap." You touch em you screw yourself, but you gotta block or otherwise your dead.
Or Boros Reckoner . He doesn't mow down permanents, but he can kill players and/or creatures; or put a hualt to an enemy assault. You don't just swing with a 10/10 at the opponent anymore if he just put out reckoner. (nor would you if it were Phyrexian Obliterator lol.)
I don't know that many cards and it's hard to card search for something that I don't know key words for. So if you can give me a list of beasty game-changing cards, that would be much appreciated. I don't care too much if the card requires a lot of different colors or it is intensive to one color, as long as it is a reasonable mana quantity cost; like less than 6 or so; 10 tops. (we all know Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is a game changer.)
The less the mana cost the better. (obviously lol)
Ooo, nice suggestion. I forgot about that guy.
(me thinking out-loud)
True he does grow a bit, but I have never feared him. He has never killed me or had the chance. Usually if the game gets far enough where he becomes somewhere around a 4/5 or a 5/6, you got bigger fish than that.
However, I do see his value in that he is such a low mana cost. Plop, for 2 mana and a 4/5 avg comes down which means you can cast something else as well.... Yah he is one of the lower cost beasts. I like him. He can smooth out a mana curve.
August 17, 2014 9:19 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #4
That was sorta sarcastic Lol.
Though I'm not sure what you were playing when you faced him, but every time I cast him my opponent either needs an answer or they die relatively soon after.
August 17, 2014 9:26 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #5
Thundermaw Hellkite . Even the name sounds awesome.
August 17, 2014 9:30 p.m.
Lol, most people are boastful about that critter. I thought you were doing the whole
"((name a beast card)) nuf said" type of thing. haha
I have played many many decks: such as mass tokens, wurm tokens, many variants of land destruction, cage, buff, and a bunch of other home brews of mine that don't really have a categorical tital/name. Tarmogoyf is low end the the threat spectrum to me. But that's just how I play I think. 'Conventional meta deck' to 'conventional meta deck' I can, and have, seen him being threatening. Stuff that is threatening to me is different than a mere creature though. Usually its removal like Abrupt Decay or the blasted Thoughtseize removing key pieces for lack of a better example.
Amongst your sarcasm however, I put Tarmogoyf on me list eh? lol
August 17, 2014 9:33 p.m.
ehhh, no offense but Thundermaw Hellkite ain't beast enough. He costs to much. If his ability hit all critters, not just flyers, than I see potential. Actually, even then, 1 dmg to flyers doesn't do much, if any, good. The only time that anyone has flyers is if they are big like Thundermaw Hellkite , or they are small twerps from Lingering Souls , which is too rare and not threatning. So he basically is just a 5/5 flying haste which there are other cards I can bet are like that for less mana.
Sorry. I'm gonna criticize each card. Helps me think and maybe can open debate eh? lol
August 17, 2014 9:38 p.m.
Here is a list of cards I have accumilated so far: an idea for what I'm looking for.
Batterskull Self sefficient, heals me and I can pull it back instant speed to protect it: this card is a prime example of what I am looking for. Self sufficient.
Batskull and phyx obliterator is my favorite two.
August 17, 2014 9:43 p.m.
slovakattack says... #10
Thundermaw Hellkite 's power lies in his haste/unblockability. He's a ghetto 5/5 unblockable, basically.
For annoying critters, there's also Geist of Saint Traft , Baneslayer Angel , Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , Wurmcoil Engine , Kitchen Finks , Vigor , Grave Titan , etc.
August 17, 2014 9:50 p.m.
If you do not fear the goyf, you have never faced the goyf. Hitting the field for 2 mana as a 5/6+ is a threat when they also have a field full of other threats that you have to deal with. Anyways...
Olivia Voldaren is pretty boss, pinging and stealing your foes creeps and all, but she is in bolt range.
Demigod of Revenge is another good one for obvious reasons.
I wasn't just going for BR options, those were just the first 2 to come to mind. What colors were you looking for?
August 17, 2014 9:57 p.m.
Yah, I do see the power of Thundermaw Hellkite , but he only does one thing: attack, with the slight off cnahnce of nocking out some 1/1 flying tokens.
Whereas: Grave Titan , holy (*@$#, imagine if I get Progenitor Mimic on that sucker :D
the titan creates meat shealds, which are also a strike force. he has deathtouch (very nice) and he is got some fat ( 6/6 ).
Your list is very nice, thanks a lot.
Geist of Saint Traft I'm considering. He is usually a nice/decent one time shot because he is only a 2/2. So little suckers like Snapcaster Mage for example can block an eliminate him.
Baneslayer Angel is a prime example of, superior, to Thundermaw Hellkite . True, she doesn't have haste, but she gains me life, and can first strike out any decent sized flyers that the opponant may have. Her protection demon/dragon is equivalent to hellkite's anti 1/1 flyer torch I say.
Wurmcoil Engine . Hmmm, he is a persistent beast. Gains me life... he costs 6 to get out, hmmm, not sure what to say about him. he is simple. Simply strong.
Lol, I have faced SOO MANY goyfs, it's ridiculous. I am sick of him. he is not THAT tough. Have you seen his price lately? holy shot, for a twerp like that. I admit he is a very nice piece, but everyone exalted it like its a queen peice that wins games. He can so easily be removed. Now, if he had hexproof or shroud? then I would quiver in my boots. I prefer Dungrove Elder .
Anyways, (lol goyf)
I don't care about color honestly. I am so savvy with mana bases that if I need 4 blacks for one card and 3 whites for another and than RWU, I can get it. Also, 'if' color becomes an issue, than I just pick and choose cards. I want to examine ALL my options eh? don't hold back.
Another example of somthing better than the hellkit, Demigod of Revenge . Fat dog. Often cards clump in my shuffling (very annoying) he can take advantage of that eh?
I like the idea of Olivia Voldaren stealing critters and getting stronger. I knew a critter like that but she ain't as good Beguiler of Wills . Thanks.
August 17, 2014 10:20 p.m.
HockeyGoalie says... #14
Jace, the Mind Sculptor is an obvious one.
Demonic Tutor is another; two mana= "I'll go get my win condition immediately but I don't have to show you..."
I also feel like Sylvan Library or Sensei's Divining Top are dynamite. The card draw, the deck stacking, etc. It's hard to beat.
Maze of Ith is a good way to give any one creature the finger indefinitely.
Another personal favorite of mine is Eight-and-a-Half-Tails .
Lastly (since I left out a red card), I've found Banefire when used right is always a game-ender.
August 17, 2014 10:50 p.m.
HockeyGoalie says... #15
....AAAAAAAAAAAND just realized this is a Modern forum. I'll quietly hang the Noob sign on my neck and back out slowly...
August 17, 2014 10:54 p.m.
o really? lol
sorry buddy, I forgot to put in text that I only play modern; my bad. All your suggestions, save the red card, are not modern legal. This thread is in the modern forum, lol, just a reminder I only play modern and only want modern cards. The next step from dem tutor is Diabolic Tutor . My favDiabolic Revelation eh? if you got da mana.
I like the veriable burn Banefire . also teh uncounterableness is nice. But that is mana taxing, however I do see it being nice end game when you just need a pinch more to win. I'll consider it. But I'm looking for cards that are more crippling and damaging that bring the enemy to their knees so that stuff like Banefire merely have to poke them for your victory.
August 17, 2014 10:59 p.m.
HockeyGoalie, HAHA, nice, you got me while i was typin, lol. funny. Ok, you know now, lolololol
HOLY SHOT, Storm Crow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN't BELEIVE IT, you sure that's legal?!?!
common bro,...... lol
August 17, 2014 11:01 p.m.
If you were going to play Banefire as a mana sink, I think I'd rather just play Bonfire of the Damned .
August 17, 2014 11:03 p.m.
? but the miricle is as good as the regular cast of Banefire ? Yes it hits both critters and player, but I going in for the kill if I use a variable burn, if i want to kill the critters than I do targeted removal, or a nuke. the double x is just cutting the damage literally in half. Nah, sorry.
August 17, 2014 11:11 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #21
Birthing Pod strikes fear in the heart of mortals. Although I do like a Primeval Titan , Wurmcoil Engine , and All Is Dust .
August 17, 2014 11:11 p.m.
Birthing Pod is tricky. But yes, it is nasty. But it usually symbolizes that your fighting a kiki-jiki crud deck that is loaded with undeyings and persists. I will have to think a lot about that one.
All Is Dust : one of my fav nukes, but not worthy for my list of beast cards.
primeval costs to much for what he does. If you got 6 mana to toss him out, you don't need the lands. At best he deck thins which is really only good if you run a lot of cards that allow to to draw, so you get card advantage. Or you just getting even bigger creatures eh? lol
August 17, 2014 11:21 p.m.
HorrorAvengers says... #23
Primeval Titan says end the game now. Or else. Wolf run 12-post is pretty much my favorite modern deck ever. Same with Grave Titan ... and Frost Titan ... you know what, Sun Titan has some stupid combos... and I guess Inferno Titan fucks up a lot of deck's days...
Every praetor as well, those were 2 mean cycles. Gisela, Blade of Goldnight does the job too.
August 17, 2014 11:26 p.m.
eh, I responded to aeonstoremyliver, let's see if it loads, meep, it was a long one........
August 17, 2014 11:29 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #25
Pod could also mean Melira pod, not just a kiki variant.
August 17, 2014 11:47 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #26
Master of Cruelties He forces a chump-block every turn, or puts your opponent in bolt-range.
Also (and I know this will be a debate) Soul of Theros In the right build, he can put the game out of reach really quickly. All your tokens become 3/3 and lifelink? He becomes an 8/8 vigilant lifelink? And he can do that from the grave? Yeah.
August 18, 2014 12:12 a.m.
Whoa, my bad, I was wondering Y I was getting notifications and wasn't seeing anything new. lol for got to go to next page, AHAHHA, im back. 1 sec and I'll read all your goodies
August 18, 2014 12:15 a.m.
HorrorAvengers. Whoa, didn't know about all those titans. SWEET.
vampirelazarus. Yah pod, 9/10 though I see kiki, milera is rare to me. (equally as annoying)
Named_Tawyny. Yah debate. Honestly I think that card is way to mana expensive for what it does. 6 mana could probably go towards much better things. 6 mana twice, taxing. I would rather Assemble the Legion with Doubling Season . Sorry, I don't see the gold here.
Master of Cruelties on the otherhand, looks nice. Imagine if that got pumped up a bit, or became hexproof, or indestructible. hmmm, nice.
August 18, 2014 12:22 a.m.
Mindslaver + Academy Ruins that is scary Figure of Destiny , Kor Spiritdancer if you use her ability effectively it is pretty much unstoppable
August 18, 2014 12:22 a.m.
Sheoldred, Whispering One is amazing, crap like that is exactly what I'm wanting. Owns the battlefield, cripples the enemy and supports me :D
I just stumbled across this big fella: Drogskol Reaver . Which is another prime example of what I am looking for.
Flying = offense, doublestrike = offense, lifelink = support/growth/card advantage.
The dbstrike makes me draw twice as game twice the life, also any othe rlife gain make me cards. This card is perfect. Though, that's why it costs 7 to get out eh? but that is what I want. But I would prefer under 6 or 5. the lower the better.
August 18, 2014 12:30 a.m.
Aurelia, the Warleader is very offensive but.......... hmm, great for token decks, but not what I need. and he spendy to get out.
August 18, 2014 12:32 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #35
Soul of Theros meets all of your requirements.
He's six mana to cast.He's bigHe gains you lifeHe's resistant to removal (because you can still use his ability from the grave)
But yeah, he's not made his way onto any Modern lists yet.
Also, pumping up the Master of Cruelties really won't do much, unless you have an Alluring Scent type effect to force blockers. (Or, amusingly, Madcap Skills )
August 18, 2014 12:32 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #36
Oh! Abyssal Persecutor should warm your Timmy heart. =)
August 18, 2014 12:35 a.m.
?!?! uh buddy, that's reversed from what I would want right? I would want to win, not prevent it, and I would want the enemy to lose, not prevent that?
Unless your suggesting I whip him out, (cause he is a 6/6 fly tramp for 4 mana,) woop my enemy and just have a way to kill my critter later and win. I guess that works eh? lol
Timmy? HAHA, I have looked into those 3 personality things. I'm a big mix, I'll walk away happy if a test deck that used a completely unconventional and weird concept and even if I lose every game I enjoyed playing (timmy), but if that deck worked once out of many failures (johnny) I will learn and become better. The testes are all in an effort to dominate and crush everyone beneath my boot-heel with a superior/ingeniously designed deck (spike.) But I am more of a spikey johnny. eh? lol
I just want to win. and this whole thread is for me to gather information on cards I didn't know about so I may build a hyper efficient deck that will win against all!!! MWHAHAHA.
anyways :D
August 18, 2014 12:45 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #38
Yup, that's pretty much the idea. Get him out early, aggro your opponent into the ground, and then Go for the Throat or Murder your demon.
August 18, 2014 12:51 a.m.
Yah, buff as In any sort of enchantment ability, I wasn't being to spacific. Junk that prevents his blocking and stuff like that. lol
Soul of Theros : I still don't like him too much. 6 mana I get him out. next turn I pay 6, and do his ability. they can Path to Exile , which is the most common response. And if they destroy, then I one time use it from graveyard. But this means I got to have a token/critter force out there for his ability to work. It is too dependent on other factors and he is easily dealt with and taxing. If I got a token force of, let's say, about 8 1/1, x3 that becomes 24 lifelink swingin and they can block, burn nuke, Engineered Explosives , whatever, plus the taxation on getting those low power critters out thgere in mass waiting for theros, eh,
With enough work it could work ok, but not on the competitive level that I am wanting. It ain't like Phyrexian Obliterator where 'touch em and you screw ur self.' Then your only way around him is pth to exile. Or bounce, which can also hit theros and set me back a whole turn because he cost me all my mana, sorry, not sold. eh?
August 18, 2014 12:54 a.m.
Here's what I have comprised thus far. Ummm, don't ask, (not yet)
It will be updated overtime as I get more goodies from you guys.
August 18, 2014 12:57 a.m.
I hope you realize that the deck you linked will never be on a competitive level looking like that. It has way too many fatties and has no overarching strategy.
August 18, 2014 1:33 a.m.
Fatties of that nature tend to not do so well in modern because killspells (Abrupt Decay , Go for the Throat , Doom Blade ) and Path to Exile and lightningbolts and everything are a massive deal.
This is precisely why Tarmogoyf is so powerful. If someone says 'I don't think Phyrexian Obliterator is strong because it dies to X removal spell' that's a legitimate concern because your 4 mana creature has been taken out by a 1 or 2 mana spell. However, look at goyf - it has stats to match the obliterator (doesn't have the wicked ability) but only costs 2 mana. This means if your opponent uses Path to Exile you're barely down at all, and if they use any 2 mana killspell you're equal in resource consumption.
Part of the game of magic is efficient resource usage. Tarmogoyf is the most efficient resource usage because even if he dies you lose nothing (2 mana). If you cast Phyrexian Obliterator on T4 and they Path to Exile in their turn, to some extent they've just cast a 1 mana spell that says 'take another turn', because they've negated everything you did in your turn AND got 3 mana spare to play their own thing.
Does this explanation highlight why you never see large threats in modern? Yet tarmogoyf is one of the best cards in the format.
The biggest 'ah crap' creatures in modern are things like Restoration Angel and Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker because its likely that as soon as they're played the opponent has won on the spot (infinite combs etc). In terms of non-creatures you have AEther Vial (yes its slow but can be very, very powerful), Birthing Pod , Splinter Twin . Again, with Splinter Twin it's likely that if the opponent plays one successfully - you've lost the game on the spot. Similar stories for the other two - they generate such long term advantage you can't keep up.
Probably the biggest and most played cards that are 'big' are like Celestial Colonnade , Wurmcoil Engine , Batterskull , Thrun, the Last Troll . Sometimes, rarely, you'll see Akroma, Angel of Fury or Iona, Shield of Emeria . These cards all have one thing in common - they're very difficult to get rid of.
August 18, 2014 4:45 a.m.
Hallowed_Titan says... #44
Yeah, I love watching expressions when ole Thrun pops out. Always fun.
August 18, 2014 7:04 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #45
Or you could, you know, Polymorph a Bitterblossom token into an Emrakul, the Aeons Torn :D
Modern Show and Tell for the win!
As for other beasties, Death's Shadow builds are also very powerful for the exactly the same reasons Tarmogoyf is powerful. A one mana 5/5 creature provides serious tempo, and cards like Dark Confidant , Bitterblossom , Orzhov Charm and fetching into shocks every turn really boosts his potential.
If that is not up your ally, tron into Karn Liberated or Wurmcoil Engine is always fun.
August 18, 2014 10:27 a.m.
Jacques: it ain't a deck, it is a list of cards I am keeping track of.
ChiefBell: I like your comment about resource consumption. However, I am not just looking for fatties. I just want efficient cards. One that just caught my attention when I was searching was Blightning . It isn't too good but it Lightning Bolt s the enemy and removes 2 cards for 1 from their hand; all for 3 mana. This card ain't 'that' good but that is close to what I want. Cards that do multiple things. The high cost beasts are never going to get out in the competitive world and nor will they last with all the removal; I know your right. I am actually trying to get away from high cost key pieces and use lower cost, more efficient cards.
Femme_Fatale: lol, nice cards. Death's Shadow is probably my favorite out of your list.
August 18, 2014 10:57 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #47
nickiru Abyssal Persecutor is the best win-con mono black has. U need to have outlets to take care of him such as Liliana of the Veil or Smallpox or even Maelstrom Pulse and Victim of Night or Grim Backwoods or Miren, the Moaning Well but it's the fastest clock mono-black has and it pushes damage thru like no tomorrow.
August 18, 2014 11:17 a.m.
Yes I have been heavily considering Abyssal Persecutor . It just means I depend on being able to remove it.
August 18, 2014 11:23 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #49
Just wanted to add my 2 cents about thundermaw. Has no one else seen the amount of spirit tokens played by the rock decks lately? Like holy damn i swear i saw a dude win with just spirits lately
August 18, 2014 11:30 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #50
Yea, Junk has been the main splash lately. ...I like it better than Jund so I'm not complaining.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #2
Tarmogoyf
August 17, 2014 9:13 p.m.