APPLE01DOJ Blackwater of the Abyss
Thanks for the comment. I have cavern in the deck because a lot of my local meta has counter spells and I don't like having my cards countered. I do like the tasagar idea but I do want to keep reaper for now. one card that I'm still not sure of is vampire nighthawk and should I replace him or keep him I just don't know. Anyways thanks for the comment.
March 17, 2017 12:23 p.m.
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So you're using Thought Scour to effectively make one the weakest cards in the deck take up 6 slots instead of 3?
Really though, the value in Goyf is that it grows bigger without additional investment.
March 29, 2017 4:02 p.m.
March 29, 2017 3:28 p.m.
Hey long term BG Rock player here. Here's the list I currently run if you want to give it a spin on untap.in
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The list EmblemMan posted is decent. A good starting point but a bit vanilla and could be refined a little more.
March 29, 2017 1:34 a.m.
I understand the deck & strategy. I probably wouldn't run Phyrexian Obliterator and Blood Moon in the same deck but I do get it. If it's working for you, awesome. If you ever find yourself with an uncastable Blood Moon sitting in your hand then consider upping the fetch count.
I casually run a similar deck, check it out Ummm WHAT?!?! Attack of the Bobs!
March 28, 2017 11:16 p.m.
March 28, 2017 10:03 p.m.
4x Fatal Push would be good. I'd drop some of your heavy cmc stuff for it.
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March 27, 2017 8:10 p.m.
March 27, 2017 8:09 p.m.
Thragtusk isn't even modern playable. Also adding 2 more 5 drops to a deck to counter act the lifeloss caused by Dark Confidant just doesn't seem like the best idea. Truthfully, the life loss really isn't an issue. Save the Burn match.
Glissa, the Traitor's ability really is irrelevant in game play. Yea it reads wonderful but in reality she just stalls the board state or goes unblocked. She's like Phyrexian Obliterator in that regard. I also don't own any Mishra's Bauble and am not paying 45$ each for some. I don't think the effect is worth it and prefer 60 cards in my deck.
bigmouse I agree, I think it needs an IoK or 2.
March 27, 2017 6:38 p.m.
I think you miss the point of running Glissa, the Traitor.
She's here for her board control, her ability is irrelevant. To focus on it means to run subpar cards like Executioner's Capsule.
March 27, 2017 4:21 p.m.
Since you're adding a Cavern of Souls then you should consider dropping a Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. In a deck with 22 lands, I wouldn't run more than 3 colorless lands. Sure Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx can be good on occasion but it's the weakest of your utility lands. Mutavault has synergy with Gravecrawler and your lords, Cavern of Souls still provides colored mana but Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx can't do anything without an already established board state.
I would also immediately go up to 4 Fatal Push. It's just too good of a card not to be running 4. I would drop 1x Diregraf Colossus and 1x Cryptbreaker for it. Diregraf Colossus is good but because of the point it comes into play you really only need 3. Cryptbreaker in my experience is less than stellar and would be an easy cut.
I may be missing something (am I?) but I see no value in running Nameless Inversion. It could be good vs Merfolk I guess but due to the anti synergy you can't use it to pump your own creatures which leaves a less than desirable Ulcerate. I would replace it with a 1-2 Bile Blight or a Go for the Throat.
In order to make this as competitive as possible you really need to ditch the deck extensions on the SB.
Army of the Damned may fit the Zombie theme nice but I can't think of a single match that siding in an 8 mana card is going to help you out?
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed may be good vs Alley's or White Weenies but both of those decks are Aggro decks and will close the game out way before a 22 land deck reaches 6 mana.
Endless Ranks of the Dead this is the definition of a win more card. It's useless when you're loosing and if it's good you're already winning. The 1 MB copy is fine for flavor but siding it in isn't going turn the tides of any match up.
Sidisi, Undead Vizier Tutors can be good but this is just too slow and comes with a significant down side. You've already decided it's not good enough for the MB and it's just wasting space on the SB.
March 27, 2017 2:33 p.m.
BG/x or U/W Control. It'll help you improve as a player because it exploits the weaknesses of the decks you play now.
March 27, 2017 2:43 a.m.
I feel like the real issue is that your reach is limited. I understand the reasoning behind people favoring IoK over Seize but truthfully I've always found Thoughtseize to be the better card. It has more value when you draw it outside your opening hand and hits things that you actually care about; High end Eldrazi, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, Scapeshift, Gurmag Angler, etc.
Fatal Push is an amazing card but you only have 2 Terminate and 3 Lilly to take care of the things it can't hit. Liliana of the Veil is also amazing but if you're facing threats who come into play bringing Eldrazi scions with them she becomes nullified quick.
I understand the reliance of Damnation but I think the underlying problem is that you need better discard and more MB removal.
If it's working for you, I'm glad. If however you're not winning as much as you could be consider swapping things around.
Another suggestion I have is how about some Ensnaring Bridge on your SB?
March 25, 2017 3:13 p.m.
I used to run a deck like this. The games would drag on for soooooo long.
I doubt you need 4x Damnation. I would cut it down to 2 MB at most.
I think you should add more fetches into your mana base or cut Blood Moon down to 3 MB.
Your sideboard could use a some work. I would personally cut the Faithless Looting all together and move some of that SB stuff into the MB.
March 25, 2017 1:45 p.m.
Here is the deck Zombie Deck.
I didn't say it could be built for less, I said it could be built for around 200$.
How to make it cheaper you could cut Choke and Thrun, the Last Troll from the sideboard, Maelstrom Pulse from the main board, and Llanowar Wastes/Temple of Malady could replace some of the mana base. I personally don't recommend any of these changes.
You should make a list and then deck cycle it on this site. It's easy to do. Just go to deck builder. It makes it easiest for people on this site to help you out and they may offer suggestions I would never think of.
March 25, 2017 1:36 p.m.
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