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Unravel the Aether
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Unravel the Aether Discussion
3 months ago
The "Island" in Eagle of the Watch i've find a place named "One-Eyed Pass" in described like this: "This outpost has been carefully chosen by the Stratians for a particular reason: the abundance of cyclopes. They funnel their enemies into the pass, using the cyclopes who aggressively defend their territory as a gauntlet of certain death."
I also want to use Unravel the Aether, in the same guide there a place named Pharagax Bridge "The Stratians defend this huge stone bridge with all their might against any who would enter Akros without the king's permission. Some claim that the massive chasm it spans leads to the Underworld, and that foul creatures emerge from its depths."
What do you think about my two hypothesis ?
I don't know where are located there:
-Ephara's Radiance Meletis Temple of Ephara ?
I will have at least one location for these gods: Helios, Nylea, Karametra, Iroas, Keranos, Kruphix
I could not find artwork for the cities of Odunos and Asphodel... I will use Black Oak of Odunos but i can't find official artwork for th cities.
It's the same for Phoberos and Oreskos...
Thanks for your help ! =)
I've several other change i want to make/card easier to add, i will list every change for the v2, if you have ideas for other location i'm open to suggestion ^^
3 months ago
I tried a Courser build of this deck myself, and while sick with Jace, the Mind Sculptor, I like having the additional threat package of tracker + Karn much better, sweet innovation!
I'm a huge fan of Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet in the sideboard (probably cutting Thrun, the Last Troll). Turning all your removal into exile effects is incredibly powerful in a meta with a lot of sticky threats like Bloodghast, Kitchen Finks or Voice of Resurgence, it trumps burn, after a single activation it beats Gurmag Angler, it's utility can not be understated.
Naturalize is 99 percent of the time worst than Deglamer/Unravel the Aether, Trinket Mage is the only counter example I can think of. A split on those spells is better too: while you don't board then against Aether Vial to avoid Meddling Mage, you will appreciate it against Runed Halo out of mono white stax.
Furthermore, because Jace, the Mind Sculptor helps you find sideboard cards and 1 ofs pretty consistently over a longer game, I would consider some more narrow but powerful options such as Damnation, Creeping Corrosion, Back to Nature, Flaying Tendrils, or Jace, Architect of Thought to supplement the versatile 2 ofs in your board. This strategy can ensure you have plenty of cards for most of the format, while not taking too much room in your sideboard for narrow hosers, yet you still have access to them.
4 months ago
All right, finally got the chance to take a proper look at this. Let's start with additions:
- Spelljack. Mentioned this on Reddit, but I love this card.
- Cultivate. EDH staple, should be in 95% of green decks. Nothing more to say.
- Eternal Witness. Same as above.
- Sunbird's Invocation. This card leads to insane value swings. It's fantastic.
- Beast Within. Flexible, instant-speed removal in colors that usually lack it.
- Chaos Warp. Same as above.
- Etali, Primal Storm. This card is balanced by not having haste. Wanderer changes that.
- Pathbreaker Ibex. I have one-shotted several opponents with this, Xenagos, God of Revels, and Wanderer. Do not underestimate.
- Xenagos, God of Revels. 14/12 trample haste Wanderer is insane.
- Skyshroud Claim. One of my personal favorite ramp spells. Also fetches shocklands and battlelands (like Cinder Glade).
- Avenger of Zendikar. Wins games by itself.
- Simic Signet, Izzet Signet, and Gruul Signet. Some of the best ramp in EDH in a deck that really wants ramp. Slam dunk.
- Mystical Tutor. Sets up Wanderer really well.
- Temporal Mastery. Bonkers with Wanderer and tutoring it to top of library.
- Mind's Dilation. This card gives tons of value if not immediately dealt with.
All right, on to cuts:
- Archetype of Aggression. 3 mana 3/2s aren't great, and most of your stuff has trample anyways. Nice with Wanderer, but hurts to cascade into.
- Coiling Oracle. Not a bad card by any means, but I really don't want to cascade into this.
- Elvish Lyrist. Way too slow. Run Unravel the Aether if you really need this effect.
- Jori En, Ruin Diver. I like my card draw spells to be a little flashier than this in Wanderer.
- Siren Stormtamer. I mentioned this on Reddit, but 1 mana 1/1s are really not where you want to be in Wanderer, and I don't think this does what you want it to anyways.
- Verdant Sun's Avatar. Lifegain is nice, but there are better things to do with 7 mana.
- Displace. I'm not seeing a ton of ETB effects to abuse here.
- High Tide. Not great in a 3-color non-combo deck.
- Steam Augury. Strictly worse Fact or Fiction. Meh.
- Unsummon. Not nearly good enough for EDH play. Card disadvantage and allowing re-use of ETB effects seems bad.
- Panharmonicon. Still don't think you have enough ETB effects to abuse.
- Attune with Aether. Not actual ramp; not worth 1 mana.
- Invigorating Falls. I really don't like cards that do nothing but gain life.
I think that's all I can come up with at the moment. Feel free to look at my decklist (Wandering the Eternities) if you'd like other suggestions. Good luck with your deck! I think you'll find it's a ton of fun :)
4 months ago
Cool idea, dude. Unfortunately if you want it to be viable in Modern I think you need the normal Rock package. 3 Inquisition of Kozileks, 2 Thoughtseize, 1 Abrupt Decay, 1 Maelstrom Pulse and 3 Fatal Push. You're just not fast enough to beat the fast decks in the format. I'd also play 2-3 Collective Brutality, because discarding Rat Colony to bring the back later with Bloodbond March is the way to go.
To find room for this, I'd lose 4 Drainpipe Vermin, 4 Ravenous Rats and the Aether Vials. Using Aether Vial to dump your hand quickly doesn't seem to have the same impact as in other decks, as you don't win with great speed. Control is also not a huge problem due to the addition of discard. I'd also take out 1 Grim Backwoods for another Overgrown Tomb. 2 of those is too many.
Sideboard should be 1x Maelstrom Pulse, 2x Chameleon Colossus for black decks (and in flavour), 2x Damnations, 2x Nihil Spellbomb (card draw is relevant vs Leyline), 3x Fulminator Mage for Tron, Surgical Extraction for combo/Tron, 2x Collective Brutality, 1x Deglamer/Unravel the Aether and 1x Golgari Charm.
I don't know if this meant to be budget because those cards obviously bump up the price, but I think that makes the deck viable, haha
Sorry for the over advice. It was meant to be short, but just kept going...
5 months ago
Coiling Oracle - Not always ramp, but always replaces itself in terms of card advantage. Compare it to an Elvish Visionary or a Baleful Strix that are good in the first place and you'll notice that even if it isn't guaranteed ramp, it's still a gamble that's worth it.
Farseek - Great colorfixing when you have dual lands, and you want a couple of CMC2 ramp to get the ball rolling.
Nature's Lore - You need shocks for this to be worth it in a three-color deck, otherwise it's too inconsistent for colorfixing.
Deathrite Shaman - One of the best manadorks available if you have fetches and/or you run self-mill, since it ramps you in the early game and can grave hate in the late game.
Chromatic Lantern - You don't need a lot of mana rocks when you're in green, but this one's utility is good enough when you're 3+ colors. Can help with activating Tasigur, the Golden Fang more, especially when you have Training Grounds out and colored mana is the limiting factor.
Harrow - Instant speed ramp is good if you want to save mana for counterspells/removal, and land sacrifice is good for self-mill/recursion synergies.
Realms Uncharted - Technically not ramp but it's both card advantage and dumping stuff into the graveyard, while fetching your 4 strongest lands and forcing your opponent to choose between bad and worse.
Fork in the Road - Not land ramp, not very impactful, but dumping stuff into the graveyard while colorfixing ain't too bad. Maybe a bit sad to get this one back with Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability, but that's what delve is for.
Exploration - It's ramp that requires you to have a lot of card draw or things like Crucible of Worlds and Oracle of Mul Daya, but can lead to stupidly fast starts of dumping your hand and recovering with Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability. Definitely stronger than Burgeoning.
Animate Dead - One of the best reanimation spells in the game by far.
Victimize - Even if you're not focused on reanimation, getting back 2 creatures for only 3 mana and something to sacrifice is very often worth it. The more self-mill you have, the more targets you get.
Regrowth - The original Eternal Witness which is cheaper but less abusable. Very good in conjunction with Tasigur, the Golden Fang since you can force your opponent to choose between the things you want or Regrowth which lets you get what you want.
Seasons Past - Card advantage recursion, very good in general and even better when self-milling to give yourself lots of choices.
Grapple with the Past - Instant speed recursion for 2 that also dumps stuff into your graveyard.
Nyx Weaver - Not an amazing creature, but can be dropped early as a blocker and some slow value self-mill only to be used as recursion in the late game.
Fact or Fiction - Drawing the best 1-4 cards out of your top 5 at instant speed for 4 mana is makes this one of the best cards for one-off card draw, especially when the rest end up in your graveyard for delve/recursion.
Baleful Strix - Only replaces itself in terms of card draw, but a flying deathtouch blocker for 2 mana is a very annoying deterrent.
Windfall - Very good card advantage if your game plan is to dump your hand such as with Burgeoning and Exploration effects and fills up your graveyard with the things you discard, but risky since it can help opponents with draw/recursion/reanimation.
Whispering Madness - Extra copy of Windfall if you want one. Cipher can be good if you have stupid amounts of mana for dumping your hand, but not worth one more mana if you're deciding between this or Windfall.
Necropotence - Not great in 3+ colors where it gets hard to cast and not really necessary when you have blue, but still stupidly good with enough life and mana.
The Gitrog Monster - Very strong draw engine since he triggers off of sacrifice, discard and mill. Also a 6/6 deathtouch for 5.
Pull from Tomorrow/Stroke of Genius/Blue Sun's Zenith - Lots of card draw if you have lots of mana, great when you're ramping hard and dumping your hand. Pull from Tomorrow is the best one for card draw because it digs one deeper, but the other two can mill someone to death with enough mana.
Taigam, Sidisi's Hand - CMC5 and needs a turn to do anything is not great, but the filtering and creature removal is alright if he survives.
Lim-Dl's Vault - Incredibly good card selection. It's card disadvantage in itself but you can easily dig through your library until you get a pile that gives you card advantage plus playable cards.
Sensei's Divining Top - One of the best cards for card selection. Use its first ability before using Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability to help force certain cards into your hand, then use the first ability again to dig even deeper into your library.
Sylvan Library - Very good card for card selection, becomes stupidly good with lifegain and/or fetches for shuffling.
Satyr Wayfinder - Cheap way to get stuff into your graveyard, sorcery speed but creatures are more abusable than instants/sorceries.
Compulsive Research - Great source of card selection since 1. you get to draw before discarding, 2. you can discard anything from your hand, not just from the three you drew, 3. it can be card advantage if you discard the right thing.
Thirst for Knowledge - Like Compulsive Research except a lot better because it's instant speed, and slightly worse because you'll have more opportunity to discard and recur lands compared to artifacts.
Beast Within - Can target anything, so one of the best pieces of spot removal in the format.
Sultai Charm - Very flexible removal or decent card filtering, one of the best charms available.
Reclamation Sage - Removal on legsthat can chump block, be cloned, reanimated etc.
Krosan Grip - Very strong removal, can't be countered and can stop problem cards like Oblivion Stone and Necropotence.
Murderous Cut - Creature removal for 1 is very good, as long as you have enough stuff to delve away.
Abrupt Decay - Slightly too restrictive in commander unless you play in a combo heavy meta, but still worth considering.
Nature's Claim - Removal for 1 is very very good. It's arguable whether this or Krosan Grip is better if you can only choose one.
Tetzimoc, Primal Death - Not very good, but pretty fun and good value if you have a lot of mana.
Vraska the Unseen - Unconditional removal: good. Sorcery speed for 5 mana: bad. Planeswalker with 2 loyalty left after you removed something: not great, but fun.
Scavenging Ooze - Targeted grave hate for cheap is great.
Toxic Deluge - The best creature board wipe in the format, bar none.
Pernicious Deed - One of the best board wipes in your colors. Can be asymmetrical if you have the most expensive stuff, can kill tokens for 0, can hold the table hostage by waiting with blowing it up.
Decree of Pain - CMC8 makes this not great, but the card draw makes it worth considering. Cycling is also good as an instant speed uncounterable board wipe against early aggro.
Torment of Hailfire - Generic big mana wincon, can still be pretty painful even if you don't cast it for X=lots.
Crop Rotation - Card disadvantage since you sacrifice a land, but being able to fetch any utility land at instant speed for 1 is crazy for potential. Bojuka Bog, Tectonic Edge, Alchemist's Refuge, Cabal Coffers/Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Thespian's Stage etc. Can compensate for the card disadvantage while colorfixing with Myriad Landscape/Blighted Woodland.
As Foretold - Not a very good card, but it's pretty fun to use if you get the ball rolling, especially since you can spend any extra mana on your commander once you get to freecast spells. Even better with cheap instants.
Propaganda - Generic protection, both against token decks and to avoid becoming the path of least resistance in multiplayer.
Isochron Scepter - Absurd value with stuff like Brainstorm, absurdly annoying with counterspells. It runs a fairly high risk of being a dead card in your hand though, since you won't be running lots of CMC<=2 instants. Very sad to get from Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability with an empty hand.
Faerie Artisans - Relatively underrated card. You get the ETBs of anything your opponents cast/flicker/reanimate/etc. plus a chump blocker/attacker of varying quality.
Mirage Mirror - Incredibly strong card, even though it may not look like it at first glance. Copy a Cabal Coffers/Zendikar Resurgent for lots of mana, copy creatures like Arcanis the Omnipotent/Etali, Primal Storm and you get to tap/attack immediately as long as the artifact has been in play for a turn, copy creatures like Oracle of Mul Daya/Kess, Dissident Mage and get cheap value, scare off attackers by saying "I can copy the biggest dude on the board and block you", dodge removal/board wipes by copying a land etc. Extra fun if you run Dark Depths.
Avenger of Zendikar - Generic wincon, but still a very good wincon.
Exsanguinate - Generic big mana wincon, can save you from an early aggro death even if you don't cast it for X=lots.
Telepathy - Not a good card, but it's pretty fun for politics and mind games.
Assault Suit - Kind of fun multiplayer card, but not very good since your opponents aren't forced to attack with the equipped creature. Can cause some funny commander damage blowouts if your politics game is strong.
Psychosis Crawler - Generic but slow wincon, decent creature to clone.
Dark Depths - If you're already running support cards for Cabal Coffers, you have most of the stuff for a decent Dark Depths package like land tutors and Thespian's Stage (plus Marit Lage is cool). Throw in a Vampire Hexmage for a potential turn 3 20/20 to really set the pace of the game.
Hinterland Harbor/Woodland Cemetery - Checklands are great and not that expensive, and stay great even as your manabase improves. These two will get reprints in Dominaria, might want to wait for them.
Temple of Malady - The last scryland, you have the other two.
Cephalid Coliseum - Good for card filtering late game, comes in untapped early.
Choked Estuary - Not the best cycle of lands, but at least it's better than lands that always come in tapped. Doesn't exist in your other colors yet.
Golgari Rot Farm/Simic Growth Chamber - These are not that bad budget lands since they give you virtual card advantage at the cost of speed, but having three of them in a three-color can sometimes be too slow and awkward. If you want to keep them, then buy Dimir Aqueduct.
Halimar Depths - I would not use this over a basic land in your deck because you don't have lots of lands to find with your ramp, and the upside is not big enough for a tapped land that only produces one color.
Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse - These are a bit slow but they're good for colorfixing and they're great for Ramunap Excavator and Splendid Reclamation, as long as you have enough basics in your library.
Lumbering Falls - Manlands are not really worth it in commander unless you're have a lot of equipment, combat damage triggers or creature sacrifice.
Reliquary Tower - This is not a definite cut, but you don't want too many colorless lands in a three-color deck. Reliquary Tower is only necessary if you have lots of card draw and very little graveyard interaction, but since you have plenty of graveyard recursion, you should be fine without it.
Tectonic Edge - It's a good card, but I prefer using Ghost Quarter because you don't need to have any mana ready to be able to use it. Wasteland and Strip Mine are both strictly better, but expensive.
Temple of the False God - Not that great in three-color decks.
Jace, Memory Adept - Milling opponents with this guy is stupid, milling yourself is kind of decent but at 5 mana it's bad.
Kiora, the Crashing Wave - If you want it for the -1 (which is pretty good), just run Explore instead. Using it for the ultimate is stupid since your opponents have 3 turns to handle it and you're not getting any value from the +1.
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage - The -2 is not the worst, but at 5 mana and when you're blue it's not really worth it. Same as with Kiora, the Crashing Wave, you will never reach the ultimate against competent players and the +1 doesn't really give you any value. This one's worth some money, so sell it and buy better cards.
Archfiend of Depravity - The effect is not terrible but in practice it's less impactful than it seems. You can usually play around the ability or remove the creature if it's a huge problem.
Beastcaller Savant/Deathcap Cultivator/Elves of Deep Shadow - This deck has no reason running mana dorks other than Birds of Paradise and Deathrite Shaman, at most. Elves of Deep Shadow is not awful since it's 1 mana and colorfixes, but still not worth it.
Dimir Doppelganger - The main advantage to clones is that you can abuse strong ETBs, which this clone can't. Decent if you're two colors, not really if you're three.
Edric, Spymaster of Trest - This guy will more often enable your opponents than it will help you. Terrible card unless you're spamming tokens.
Forgotten Creation - Dumping cards into the graveyard is not bad, but CMC4, only in upkeep and discarding before drawing is awful.
Kruphix, God of Horizons - You need a lot of big mana dumps or a draw/go playstyle to justify using Kruphix, God of Horizons. Your commander is a mana dump but your limiting factor is going to be colored mana.
Solemn Simulacrum - Not awful, but there are better alternatives for ramp when you're in green. Could be worth keeping if you run a lot of clones for slightly better value compared to something like Wood Elves or Cultivate.
Torrent Elemental - Can blow out an opponent when you have a big board, but is very telegraphed and isn't very impactful on its own. Use Pathbreaker Ibex if you want better blowouts. The exile ability isn't great even if you delve him away, since you're still casting a mediocre creature for 5 mana.
Yahenni, Undying Partisan - Good when your deck is based around sacrifice and reanimation, but very out of place here.
Bounty of the Luxa - Slow ramp or slow card draw, but you can't choose which one you need right now. Better to use proper ramp and proper draw spells instead.
Deadbridge Chant - You can keep this if you like it because it's pretty fun. However, the random aspect and lack of impact until your upkeep is a bit too unreliable for 6 mana.
Perplex - Cards that give the opponent the final choice are generally bad, and this one isn't even good for its mana cost.
Spell Pierce - Good in faster combo-heavy metas, but not quite reliable enough in slower metas.
Unravel the Aether - This card is actually very good since it ignore indestructible, but it's worth considering if you'd rather have Nature's Claim for the mana cost or Krosan Grip for the utility, since I don't think you have room for all three in the deck.
In Garruk's Wake - Good card when you have the mana to use it, but 9 mana is a lot.
Increasing Ambition - I generally recommend against using tutors since games become very samey with them, but even then there are a lot of better tutors out there than this one.
Praetor's Grasp - Not as fun as Gonti, Lord of Luxury since looking at top 4 is more exciting than picking the best card for the situation, not as flexible either since you need the correct colors to cast things.
Dimir Signet/Golgari Signet/Simic Signet - Signets are good since they're cheap, can be used immediately and colorfix you, but in a slower meta they're prone to get board wiped away compared to land ramp, so they're not that great when you're green.
Gilded Lotus - People generally don't use spot removal on mana rocks, but the big and efficent ones like Gilded Lotus and Thran Dynamo sometimes do. You can use the mana immediately, but otherwise it's not much better than an Explosive Vegetation.
7 months ago
A few thoughts:
- I'm not sure about the Consulate Dreadnoughts. I love the card (playing it for a while in Standard), but you have to have Wall of Tanglecord/Guardians of Meletis and Kin-Tree Invocation and the Dreadnought itself ... seems like that might be a little too inconsistent for my tastes.
- For sideboard, I'm almost always in RG or Mono-W, so I'm no familiar with the best Black options. But I almost always include some Artifact/Enchantment hate, like Nature's Claim, Naturalize , or Unravel the Aether. Edict effects are almost always good too, like Geth's Verdict or Devour Flesh. And maybe a sweeper, like Ratchet Bomb. More removal is always an option, like Doom Blade, Go for the Throat, or Fatal Push. And Funeral Charm is a good multi-purpose spell.
Good luck (and good skill) with the brew! And draw well!
7 months ago
@BodhiQL I actually really like Unravel the Aether over alternatives like Naturalize or Dissenter's Deliverance for it's flexability. It hits both artifacts and enchantments, unlike the latter, and can get around Welding Jar, which can be very relevant. If I were to swap it, I would probably play deliverance, as it can cycle, currently I am happy with having 3 answers to enchantments though.
As for Carrion Call I have yet to test it in paper. I like it for the Jeskai match-up because it allows you to force counter magic out of them on their turn so you have an opening. Not sure how great it is, but i think it's probably good enough for 1 sideboard slot.
7 months ago
This actually looks quite similar to my Infect list. I like it. I agree with many of your decisions but I have a few questions. How is Carrion Call in the side? I haven't seen it yet in an actual competitive deck. Also I'd think there are better alternatives to Unravel the Aether, but I don't really know. Anyway, that is a +1 from me, and if you want, check out my list. Deadly Neurotoxin