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|Commander 2017 (C17)||Mythic Rare|
|Vintage Masters (VMA)||Mythic Rare|
|Conspiracy (CNS)||Mythic Rare|
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- Question about Control and losing the game.
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- If a player board wipes while Marchesa is in play, can you still return creatures to the battlefield?
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Marchesa, the Black Rose
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Dethrone *(Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.) *
Other creatures you control have dethrone.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
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Marchesa, the Black Rose Discussion
3 weeks ago
Marchesa, the Black Rose would probably be a better commander for your goal. She lets you reuse ETB theft effects like Sower of Temptation because Marchesa's death ability says 'control' not 'own. You just need to get a +1+1 counter on whoever you stole then sac him and it's permanently yours at end of turn.
3 weeks ago
blazestudios23, thanks for the suggestions! Card draw can be tricky when trying to balance the other themes of the decks. Have you tried adding something like Smothering Abomination ? Adding cards like Altar's Reap , Bankrupt in Blood , Costly Plunder , Live Fast , and Sign in Blood are all pretty swell. If you're feeling like being generous, Seizan, Perverter of Truth is great, since he spreads the love and the cards.
Mana is solved through the use of handy trinkets like Ashnod's Altar , Phyrexian Altar , and the signets. Maybe I'm just extremely lucky, but the number of games that I've been mana-screwed has been pretty low. Palinchron could be added in for kicks, if you're hurting for mana.
My hesitation with Black Market is that it takes a while for it to get up and running, and it usually gets removed before it can contribute anything remotely useful. I might add it to the sideboard, in case I'm playing another deck with a lot of creatures dying, but I don't think its inclusion would be merited by my creatures alone. Phyrexian Tower would be absolutely great if it weren't a once-a-turn kinda thing. After I tap it, either for one mana or two, it becomes a dead card until next turn.
Neheb, the Eternal makes it a little tricky to keep my opponents' life totals in check, which is necessary to make sure Marchesa, the Black Rose 's Dethrone ability triggers. Sure, the extra mana is nice, but keeping my opponents' life totals in check until I'm ready to end the game is easier done without Afflict. While Scourge of the Throne looks like it would be an awesome card, I would only consider it to be a win condition. Again, this ties into makuing sure my opponents' life totals aren't so low that I wouldn't be able to trigger Marchesa, the Black Rose 's Dethrone, which the deck is based around.
Thanks so much for your suggestions! You've definitely given me more options to consider!
3 weeks ago
goldlion, I like the idea of including something in the deck to help with mana, but I feel like Pitiless Plunderer would be too circumstantial to be counted on. I could for sure see Black Market going in the sideboard, in case anyone else is playing a graveyard-ish deck, but it would take too long to get going by itself, and would be removed before it could really start helping.
Plague Wind , Garruk's Wake, etc., sound good in theory, but I can usually pull off the same effect with Ashnod's Altar and Grave Pact , or a similar combo. If I'm in luck, all of my board wipes are one-sided, if I have a +1/+1 engine up and running!
Thank you for all the suggestions! I'll be sure to check out your Marchesa, the Black Rose deck to see how it's going. I'm terribly sorry it took me so long to reply to your comment! Thank you again for the cards to ponder!
4 weeks ago
Marchesa, the Black Rose will quickly turn into infinite combo if your creatures are Undying, for instance with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed on the board. I took mine apart because that is not what I was going for, but maybe it is right for you?
1 month ago
So I'm looking to build a token/aristocrat deck and I've pretty much narrowed it down to 4 commanders. I am still open to other options but make a good argument :P
Anyways I'm looking at the following right now:
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - I threw together an example deck The Druken Dungeon. I've played him as a Shadowborn Apostle deck that was quite fun but a little clunky trying to fit all his pieces and the apostle pieces into the same deck with enough demons. This is just a Grenzo goodstuff basically and abusing etbs/ltbs.
Whisper, Blood Liturgist - Again threw an example deck together Reaps Whispers. more of a reanimator deck but the commander herself does 2 of the 3 things aristocrats wants to do, sacrifice and reanimate. The creatures are able to fulfill the role of providing value from entering and leaving play.
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim - she provides 2 great payoffs for sacrificing creatures, probably my favorite sac outlet in the game... And access to arguably the most pushed aristocrat colors.
Marchesa, the Black Rose - I've built her 3 times and I'm considering it a fourth time... when she works she is among the most busted aggro/aristocrat decks I've seen (I've seen a lot of those btw) when she doesn't work it is just an exercise in frustration... I always end up feeling like the deck really needs green to provide +1/+1 counters but I come back to the idea quite often because of how strong she is.
With them or any other aristocrat style deck I like to play things that make tokens on entering or leaving play and then throw in some other good etb/ltb triggers to abuse with some great sac outlets as the cherry on top.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Thank you for the feed back and suggestions !
My Card draw:
Solemn Simulacrum, Sage of Fables, River Kelpie, Midnight Reaper, Disciple of Bolas, Baleful Strix, Skullclamp, Sensei's Divining Top,Rhystic Study, Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Phyrexian Arena, Moonlight Bargain. A total of 12 draw.
Also let’s not forget my tutors which I include has better card draw ( because you can obtain whatever you need ): Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Razaketh, the Foulblooded,Liliana Vess,Diabolic Intent,Vampiric Tutor,Mystical Tutor,Lim-Dul's Vault,Fabricate. 8 tutors ,let’s also not forget my cheat in play combos; Buried Alive+Victimize,Entomb+Reanimate. In total I have 23 cards in the deck which would allow me to have some kind of card advantage but is it enough?
My Sac outlets:
My Board Wipe:
My Life gain:
Since my commander is Marchesa, the Black Rose my goal is always to be at the lowest but I do have two options of ganning life: Disciple of Bolas,Arguel's Blood Fast Flip (Flipped). But Gray Merchant of Asphodel could be very powerful, any suggestions for a cut for him ?
Corpse Augur relying on opponents graveyard to have creatures doesn’t seem very attractive to me.
Dimir House Guard ( a tutor creature) , but I have plenty of tutors xD.
2 months ago
I dont know, this does not look fast enough
From my experience playing Sen Triplets (wich also steals stuff) I can say that every single player will hate you out, people usually don't take it to well to be stolen, so you can combo out with infinite damage and it weill be OK for most playgroups, you can burst a player for 10 infectt ad will be OK for most playgroups but I can assure you that in the exact time you shufle you EDH deck and your commander is Silumgar, Sen triplets, Marchesa, the Black Rose or any other steal your stuff commander, you will be the focus of the table, so you beter be able to win FAST.
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Marchesa, the Black Rose occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.37%