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Marchesa, the Black Rose
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Dethrone *(Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.) *
Other creatures you control have dethrone.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
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Marchesa, the Black Rose Discussion
7 hours ago
Hey Zidantur. Haven't gotten around to putting my thoughts down on paper for Dominaria yet, as I've been working heavily on a Sidisi, Brood Tyrant list and am still on the fence about throwing Doomsday into this build of Inalla to make it less midrange combo and more pure combo. Right now I'm looking towards the latter.
In any case, the following cards I think have potential are as follows:
Merfolk Trickster looks like a really good way to shut down some problematic combos, especially in my meta. Mike and Trike is popular in my playgroup, and preventing some of the aggro players from smashing me in the face doesn't hurt either. I think I am most excited for this as a toolbox card that has a lot of applications.
Final Parting is a very slow tutor (at sorcery speed and mana wise, being fairly expensive), but it can let us set up for a combo with one card. If your meta is slower, you could try this one out.
Helm of the Host seems like it could be broken wide open, but I'm not sure how to do it in this deck. Testing could yield some cool results, but for now it remains better in a deck headed by Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker or someone similar.
Damping Sphere is a fantastic tech card. My meta has a lot of Timmy decks and some storm builds brewing with the reveal of Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain. Definitely slot this in if you're experiencing the same thing in your playgroup.
Other than the above cards, nothing really catches my eye.
2 days ago
HowsLife and NV_1980, ty for your comments! I do understand that using Marchesa, the Black Rose is not the most optimal way to go but the reason why I want to use her still are: her color combination (grixis) that allows me to play almost all the spells that give treasure tokens, her second ability allows me to have more ETB triggers if my creatures die with +1/+1 counters (using dethrone helps but it's not mandatory) and there is just so great overall flavor using her with the deck idea that I have (My deck tries to win by using treasure tokens and she took the Throne trough bribing and other stuff).
I'm still in the middle of building this deck so some cards will change. HowsLife what kinda cards would you suggest I use that would work as you said?
1 week ago
Last_Laugh, they're both solid suggestions. The added protection of those cards is nice, but Unspeakable Symbol nets me easy +1/+1 counter and keeps Marchesa, the Black Rose's wide Dethrone ability relevant. I definitely still have some work to do on the deck, and if there's room in there for these guys (particularly Sage of Fables, who I was already on the fence about), then I'll most likely find room in there for them. Thanks again for the thoughts and suggestions!
1 week ago
Last_Laugh, thanks for the suggestions! I do particularly like the Grim Haruspex, I think I'll have to find a spot in the deck for him. Oona's Blackguard is another card I'll have to consider carefully, I really do like the card draw, which is something that this deck sometimes struggles with. My issue with Sage of Fables is that it costs mana to draw a card, and I remove Marchesa, the Black Rose's protection when I do that, unless they have multiple +1/+1 counters. The Metallic Mimic would be cool and all, but I'm not sure if I want to include it just to get some extra card draw off of the Sage of Fables. I'm afraid it might also fall a little flat, since there aren't many of the same creature types in the deck.
3 weeks ago
I agree with enpc--Copy/Steal decks are one of those concepts that sounds interesting in theory, but never quite works in practice.
That said, if you wish to take other people's creatures, there are three commanders for you to consider:
Marchesa, the Black Rose: Using cards such as Act of Treason, you can take opponents' creatures, sacrifice them, and then return them to the battlefield under your control. At this point, they're your creature permanently--you do not have to return them at the end of turn. Cards such as Act of Treason tend to be at the 3 mana cost range, which is much easier to manage than more lasting control, such as Control Magic.
Admiral Beckett Brass - I have never played with or against a deck helmed (no pun intended) by the Admiral, but he does what you want.
Brion Stoutarm - steal their creatures with Act of Treason and its ilk then fling them at your opponent for damage and lifegain. This provides you a bit of a win condition.
3 weeks ago
Suggestions are appreciated!
3 weeks ago
In my deck Ramos and his Charms I have spell slinger and +1+1 counters based cards for my five color Ramos deck that I have been trying to perfect but with my short experience in Magic (since Fate Reforged) I just don't have the experience in commander.
My first and main issue is my creature list. I have a few creatures I feel just underperform, such as Kess, Dissident Mage, Taigam, Ojutai Master and Marchesa, the Black Rose. I am really needing ideas for multi colored replacements for these.
Another issue is that my mama base has too many colorless producing lands such as Alchemist's Refuge, Reliquary Tower and Cascading Cataracts that I'd like to replace but again I don't have the experience or knowledge of how to build commander deck mana bases.
1 month ago
From my most recent post on the Card Creation Challenge:
Ratoska the Gatherer
Creature - Squirrel Druid
Cache (Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for the most life, put an acorn counter on it).
Squirrels you control have Cache and "this creature gets +1/+1 for each acorn counter on it."
Whenever a creature you control with an acorn counter on it dies, create a 0/1 Plant creature token for each acorn counter on it.
(A colour-shifted Marchesa, the Black Rose with Squirrelified Dethrone. The name is feminized version of Ratatoskr, the squirrel which resides in Yggdrasill)