Marchesa, the Black Rose

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard

Dethrone *(Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.) *

Other creatures you control have dethrone.

Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.

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Marchesa, the Black Rose Discussion

TheRedGoat on You shall be punished for your sins.

4 days ago

Okay, so something may be up with my computer, so this will be a bit more blunt/short than I'd like.

Blood Artist really does need more creatures so nevermind that suggestion.

Marchesa, the Black Rose herself could work as the commander, but you'd have to drastically change the theme of the deck or at least the cards involved. Mark of Mutiny for instance is not worth it with Crosis at the helm, but it would with Marchesa. Slave of Bolas however should be viable in either deck under the envy/pride sections. Probably for one of the life total exchange spells.

Nekusar, as much as you would obviously hate to have him lead the deck, could be viable in the 99 as a functional card that is slightly on theme. You wouldn't have to build around him at all.

If you were to look for more synergies with Crosis, then simple Talent of the Telepath or Grave Upheaval type effects should be enough (again under the envy/pride sections), but if you go to add cards that make those more functional, ie milling effects, then I would stick to targeted mill if you don't want to punish everybody for the sins of the one (so no Mindcranks basically).

Pheardemons on You shall be punished for your sins.

4 days ago

TheRedGoat and RedJokr, I'm not sure why I didn't consider Crosis, the Purger already. But as far as being a hate commander, do you think Crosis, the Purger or Thraximundar is better? Based on the way I built this, I'm not sold on Marchesa, the Black Rose because, as TheRedGoat saod, there is no synergy.

TheRedGoat what would you take out for Blood Artist or the other? My problem with them is generally they are targeted before anyone board wipes, and they are generally ineffective. I've taken Blood Artist out of so many edh decks for that reason. Plus, Hissing Miasma is harder to destroy.

Also TheRedGoat, what synergies would you like to add in?

TheRedGoat on You shall be punished for your sins.

4 days ago

Okay, I like how you've expanded on greed to be about mainly opponents who try to overuse their cards. And focusing the "envy hate" cards to be just flat out stopping the envious player that wants to be destructive is cool. But I'm afraid you've now got the problem of too many hate cards versus any kind of synergy with your commander of choice (Marchesa).

I'm glad you mentioned that I helped you fine tune how to punish each sin, but I think now you'll need to remove some of the cards you're using to make space for other synergies in the deck that may end up having you commit the very sins you're trying to punish. Which technically you already are with your current build, but anyway.

If you want to stick with Marchesa, the Black Rose, then you'll need space for more +1/+1 counter synergies. Keeping it simple for now I think Unspeakable Symbol can do a good chunk of the work, but I'm at a loss as of yet where you could cut for it. And that is assuming you are keeping Marchesa as the commander and would need such synergies.

I will say that I feel Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is better left out and you put the Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker you already have in his place. In my eyes any of his effects are exactly meant to look the most powerful player in the eye, and only them, and say "you're dead". The prideful player more than the envious or gluttonous one is most deserving of that ultimate. They are the one you reduce to nothing and make humble as an example to others.

I can also suggest that instead of maybe the Hissing Miasma card at least you could run Blood Artist or even Falkenrath Noble as a sort of punishment towards players who become the destructive type of wrath (which coincides with envy) and you can then punish that player for each creature they just killed. Arcbond to me can work in a similar way but be considered a pride hate card as well.

I'll have to do some researching/testing for the rest of the deck, but let me know if that works for you so far.

TLDR: you so far have made a "hate bear" deck but without the bear part. Maybe try Crosis, the Purger for commander?

GS10 on Breya, Ghost in the Shell OVER 65 INFINITE COMBOS

6 days ago

I have never thought about Vela due to the mana cost, but she in fact provides some safer redundancy. I don't think the "average" Breya deck needs it, especially since Purphoros, God of the Forge is cheaper and harder to deal with, but I can see why someone would be inclined to try her out as well. It strongly depends on the meta and how your playgroup understand your strategy.

As for Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos, the in Grave Pact is the reason why it is way worse than Dictate of Erebos in any Breya deck. I have trouble playing it out sometimes in my Marchesa, the Black Rose deck and that's one fewer color to mess up the mana base. Besides, with all the Ashnod's Altars and Krark-Clan Ironworks and other ways to generate colorless mana in Breya, the extra mana in Dictate won't matter that often. IMO that's not a question of Flash being worth the extra mana, more a question of "Can you actually cast a spell often and reliably?". But like Jpegwun said, those are cards that will slowly keep your opponents choked out of the game (if they're on creature decks), rather than win you the game right away. Again, it depends on meta, but I don't run nor feel the need to run them, either

lefty117 on Horror, Carnage, and Annihilation. All are Rakdos.

4 weeks ago

Pheardemons i like Marchesa, the Black Rose or Nekusar, the Mindrazer. either one i would love to see a Chains of Mephistopheles and Anvil of Bogardan show up in it however i understand price restraints.

Geralf_Cecani on King of the Group Deck ...

4 weeks ago

Dethrone only activates when you attack the player with the most life. To get the most out of your creatures, you'll want to have the least life possible without dying instantly. Some ways of doing this include Phyrexian Unlife, Form of the Dragon, Lich's Tomb and Lich itself. The Platinum artifatties, ie. Platinum Emperion and Platinum Angel may help.

Another tip is that while Queen Marchesa may make you the monarch, so do dozens of other spells (eg. Custodi Lich, Crown-Hunter Hireling and Canal Courier, just to name a few). However, what Marchesa, the Black Rose is a lot better, and it keeps up with your flavour (Yes, I realise that deathtouch is OP in EDH but you'll want to stay the monarch won't you?). It is in slightly different colours however.

Also Scourge of the Throne is OP.

To search up cards that have monarch and dethrone synergy, look at this website: http://gatherer.wizards.com/

Geralf_Cecani on King of the Group Deck ...

4 weeks ago

Dethrone only activates when you attack the player with the most life. To get the most out of your creatures, you'll want to have the least life possible without dying instantly. Some ways of doing this include Phyrexian Unlife, Form of the Dragon, Lich's Tomb and Lich itself. The Platinum artifatties, ie. Platinum Emperion and Platinum Angel may help.

Another tip is that while Queen Marchesa may make you the monarch, so do dozens of other spells (eg. Custodi Lich, Crown-Hunter Hireling and Canal Courier, just to name a few). However, what Marchesa, the Black Rose is a lot better, and it keeps up with your flavour (Yes, I realise that deathtouch is OP in EDH but you'll want to stay the monarch won't you?). It is in slightly different colours however.

Also Scourge of the Throne is OP.

To search up cards that have monarch and dethrone synergy, look at this website:

Pheardemons on Horror, Carnage, and Annihilation. All are Rakdos.

1 month ago

lefty117 Rant mentioned a grixis is build that we're trying. I've had some trouble making it, but slowly getting there. We're focusing on punishing people for the sins. I haven't decided whose the commander yet. Rant likes grixis partners, I'm somewhat partial to Marchesa, the Black Rose. Either way trying different ideas.

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