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|Commander 2017 (C17)||Mythic Rare|
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- Question about Control and losing the game.
- With Marchesa, the Black Rose work with creature tokens?
- If a player board wipes while Marchesa is in play, can you still return creatures to the battlefield?
- Marchesa, the Black Rose and Undying
- How does Living Death work with Zombie Mikaeus and Marchesa?
Marchesa, the Black Rose
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Dethrone *(Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.) *
Other creatures you control have dethrone.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
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Marchesa, the Black Rose Discussion
1 week ago
Here are a few suggestions for synergy regarding pirates, and leveraging against board wipes:
Creatures to help mitigate board wipes in Grixis could include Coffin Queen (steal from the graveyard and/or exile), Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet (exile all opponent creatures that die and get zombie tokens), Mikaeus, the Unhallowed (undying), Marchesa, the Black Rose (dethrone - amazing synergy with Mikaeus), Geth, Lord of the Vault (steal from graveyard and mill), Sheoldred, Whispering One (board swinging reanimation and opponent sacrifice) and Soul of New Phyrexia (permanents become indestructible).
Artifacts and spells to help mitigate could include Eldrazi Monument (creatures are indestructible), Dictate of Erebos and Grave Pact (opponent sacrifices when your creatures die), Darksteel Plate (indestructible), Training Grounds (reduce all activated abilities of creatures noted), Paradoxical Outcome (bounce to hand and card draw for significant advantage).
I'm sure there are many more, but those were the first that came to mind. Good luck with your build.
2 weeks ago
Marchesa, the Black Rose is awesome in this deck.
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Endless Whispers if you wanna be funny too.
That should get you started.
1 month ago
If you ran Deepglow Skate, you could add more planeswalkers to the deck to allow them to activate the ults immediately. Alchemist's Refuge and Leyline of Anticipation giving you flash is good to use Ramos on other player's turns, plus they go well with Seedborn Muse if you have it. Flameshadow Conjuring, Deadeye Navigator, Eerie Interlude, Faith's Reward, Progenitor Mimic, Stolen Identity, Rite of Replication, and Clone Legion allow you to abuse more ETB effects. Craterhoof Behemoth, Venser, Shaper Savant, Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Zealous Conscripts, Acidic Slime, Chancellor of the Forge, Chancellor of the Spires, Sepulchral Primordial, Luminate Primordial, Duplicant, Dragonlord Silumgar, Sower of Temptation, Hornet Queen, Deranged Hermit, Myr Battlesphere, Angel of Invention, Cultivator of Blades, have great ETB effects to be abused. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Cytoplast Manipulator work really well with the Marchesa, the Black Rose you're running. Necropolis Regent, Master Biomancer, Reyhan, Last of the Abzan, Death's Presence, Experiment Kraj, and Verdurous Gearhulk are great for building up creatures with lots of +1/+1 counters. Greater Good, Prime Speaker Zegana, and Tishana, Voice of Thunder are great card draw sources for this deck. If you reanimate creatures from the graveyard often enough, Flayer of the Hatebound is strong in that department, and if you're looking for more big damage/lifeloss effects, Warstorm Surge, Stalking Vengeance, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord, and Pathbreaker Ibex are good as wel. Conflux is really strong with Ramos in play, especially with Sakashima the Impostor copying him. If don't mind it being janky, you can copy your Panharmonicon by turning it into a creature with Karn, Silver Golem or March of the Machines. Take it a step further by adding Opalescence so your enchantments can be copied too. Ultimately, this is just supposed to be a big list of cards to draw inspiration from, not to all be added to the deck.
1 month ago
Most of the decks I play against are either combo or midrange / aggro. A lot of the decks I lose to heavily rely on enchantments, and Grixis unfortuntely doesn't do well with them. I would recommend cutting Galecaster Colossus (too slow), Marchesa, the Black Rose (not great in my experience), and Master of Waves (doesn't do anything to help us combo). I would cut Vindictive Lich as well. It's super slow imo.
Chrome Mox is a good idea.
- Enlightened Tutor is not in Grixis.
- Necropotence for Phyrexian Arena is a change I will probably make when I can pick one up.
- Herald’s Horn is being used as draw / cheaper Incubator
Cryptic Command is a bit too mana expensive imo. If you can copy it, it's great. Otherwise just regular tap effects might be worth if that's what you're looking to do.
Fabricate can be swapped for another tutor. I just personally like being able to hit my combo pieces with a cheap tutor, money wise.
Constantly means over one turn or a few turns. I'm not generating infinite mana, just using the effect many times. Playing Anathemancer with Panharmonicon lets us hit our opponent for six times their nonbasic lands for using 3BR. If we have Apprentice Necromancer, it shouldn't take more than one recursion to kill a single opponent.
1 month ago
Am I correct in inferring that your meta has other fast combo decks and that you are not struggling against the other 2017 Commander decks? What combo decks are you losing against? I play a couple of top end combo decks (when I can find suitable opponents). I was hoping to make this deck less efficient than those decks so as not to overwhelm the competition. There are usually no combo decks. A lot of my games are against upgraded Commander 2107 decks.
I was hoping to build a combo/control deck that managed the table and drew the combo cards. I was already playing Arcanis the Omnipotent. In light of that which three of these would you cut?Galecaster Colossus, Marchesa, the Black Rose, Master of Waves, Puppeteer Clique, Snapcaster Mage, Sower of Temptation, Vindictive Lich and Glen Elendra Archmage?
You still have Sky Diamond in your deck list.
What are your thoughts on these cards?
Urza's Incubator in addition or to replace Herald’s Horn. Has the 26 wizards proven to be enough of a draw source or are you just using Herald's Horn as an inferior version of Urza's Incubator? I am playing 29 wizards which may not be enough of a difference if you are not seeing a lot of draw triggers.